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Islam just called, they want their algebra and optics back. I think you mean, political, not religious.
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9th September 2020, 17:14 | #1162 |
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It's a tough one that I have opinions about, but i know people far more versed in both religious studies and science that would be better at explaining the problems than I.
I don't feel like someone could be faithful in their heart and mind to so many concepts that should be considered true by someone devoted to religion, especially a religion such as Christianity. Basic concepts. Creation versus evolution. Genesis versus Big Bang, young earth versus old earth. I'm not expecting science to disprove God, that's not where the burden of proof lies. But I'm also not expecting religion to have any desire to prove God to a scientific certainty, when a faithful certainty is evident through one's own interpretation of observation. 'I exist, therefore God exists' would probably be good enough for that person. Is it simply a sliding scale, with faith on one side and science on the other? Or are there two independent sliders, allowing someone to be both a Priest or Rabbi, as well as professionally an evolutionary biologist or physicist with zero hypocrisy.
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I think most people raised in New Zealand learnt what they know about Christianity as primary children at school, just like their parents. That and how TV represents religion, which is dominated by the US. Science isn't much better, kids don't come out of school confident how to use science to make effective decisions.
At their most fundamental both are about finding ways of living effective lives. Believing your dead kid "is in a better place" is often the most effective approach a person has available to them. Right now it's neither religion nor science that's standing in our way of making effective decisions. It's politics. It's people willing to say and do anything, to ignore any evidence, for the sake of keeping wealth and power in the hands of them and theirs. That scientific knowledge is gained not through disciplined effort, but conspiracy.
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9th September 2020, 18:30 | #1164 | |
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Bingo. There's nothing scientific about the policies being put in place, but yet people resisting policy decisions are very quickly labelled "anti-science". Data and science are reframed and cropped into the form of political weapons as it currently stands. No more seeking a verifiable truth, just clobbering one another with our set of carefully selected facts. |
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9th September 2020, 18:40 | #1165 | |
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9th September 2020, 18:58 | #1166 | |
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Religion is a system under which evidence can be unnecessary if belief exists; under which some truths don't require testing because the fact that they were revealed by a supernatural being makes them true. To accept one system is to be skeptical of the other. That some people can convince themselves that it's possible to operate within both systems at the same time is, I guess, more a testament to the human mind's ability to tolerate cognitive dissonance than anything else. |
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9th September 2020, 19:29 | #1167 |
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Science is what you'll see a three year old doing in the playground if you watch patiently enough. Discovering what can be understood about the world.
Religion is what you'll find more grown up children doing once they've exhausted their science. That you can make systems of these does not make these things systems. Certainly we get some nice adult feelings when we do, and they're great when we want to impose ourselves over others. So yeah, nah. You can take your honky definitions and shove em.
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9th September 2020, 20:03 | #1168 | |
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9th September 2020, 20:05 | #1169 |
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No. Science is not doing stuff and watching what happens. That's just observation. Science is the system by which we separate the true stuff from the false stuff.
(Of course humans suck so we sometimes we hide answers we don't like, or ignore evidence that disproves something we've assured ourselves is true. But that just means humans are fallible, and it's up to other humans to follow the system more rigorously. The great thing about the system of science is that it's self-correcting. When done properly, it fixes previous mistakes.) |
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9th September 2020, 22:23 | #1172 |
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are you seriously still running this forum.. mad props to you!
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Do you consider your sense of self a story you know not to be true? I consider my own self a story, but it's a true story. And it's also different from the stories others have of themselves, or have of me. Is there a real me? Is there a real you? I can definitely tell there's something there. What's going on? If science has a way to grapple with this, it hasn't raised its hand yet.
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Health science is about making decisions in the absence of certainty, in the real world with all its complexity and competing pressures. It's about having a robust, coherent rationale based on the best knowledge available. But right now it seems there's a question as to whether there is even a real world at all. There's no interplay between ourselves and the world. It's just us.
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10th September 2020, 21:17 | #1176 |
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It's not a question for us, what's playing out in the world is a lot different. It's not what's being said, but the unwillingness to commit to any point of agreement for fear that might be used to undermine existing power structures.
Lebanon is basically a microcosm of the world.
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10th September 2020, 21:56 | #1177 |
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10th September 2020, 22:22 | #1178 |
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I think it's a pendulum. Reality bites, we can only drift from it too far. We're drifting like a Vin Diesel film movie now.
I suppose it's always been true as well that people question whether or not the inevitable correction is survivable.
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10th September 2020, 22:30 | #1179 |
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11th September 2020, 15:34 | #1180 |
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Covid-19 scepticism a failing of intellect, Phil Goff says
With our schools being such paragons of education, our society so just, people only have themselves to blame, amirite?
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11th September 2020, 16:20 | #1181 |
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Smart people can believe dumb things. I'm not even clear on what "sceptical about Covid-19" means. It could range from someone not believing that viruses exist all the way to Covid-19 is not as bad as is being made out in the media.
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11th September 2020, 16:21 | #1182 |
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"We've all signed up for the rules."
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11th September 2020, 16:43 | #1183 |
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I'm going with the "fuck you" take.
Lot's of evidence of it around and it gets labelled as a "lack of intellect". It's a lack of intellect to not recognize when someone has a stiff middle finger aimed in your direction. Draw a line in the sand, put a restriction in place and you're guaranteed people are going to come and test the limits. Especially if those people don't think too highly of the people making the restrictions. |
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12th September 2020, 16:41 | #1186 |
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Oh man. Why can't we just get to fuck our kids AND have people grow up trusting public institutions, the government? Is that too much to ask?
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12th September 2020, 20:30 | #1187 |
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Turns out New Zealand has a bunch of fuckwits too.
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14th September 2020, 18:57 | #1188 |
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"Protesting is not only selfish, but it's stupid." -Dan Andrews
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However context is everything and a comment like that is WAY too easy to use out of context, so you KNOW this is going to come back to haunt him.
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15th September 2020, 12:28 | #1190 |
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Police hit Victorian man with car before stomping on his head
https://www.news.com.au/national/vic...d728c4873a2865 Check out this selfish and stupid guy. |
15th September 2020, 12:56 | #1191 | |
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But I love this comment from the Police “Upon arrival the man allegedly became aggressive and damaged a police vehicle whilst attempting to avoid arrest,” Victoria Police said. Yeah, he damaged the car when they drove into him |
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15th September 2020, 13:09 | #1192 |
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Melbourne is testing out the "boot stomping on a face forever" method as a way to save us from CCP Virus.
It's sick that the hospital had called the police to alert them to a mentally ill man who needed to be brought back into care, and this didn't make them change their approach. |
15th September 2020, 14:28 | #1193 |
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When your only tool is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a nail.
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27th September 2020, 15:32 | #1194 |
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For some morally corrupt business opportunities, their time has come in 2020.
https://civvl.com/ Elevator pitch: "It's like the Uber for evictions and foreclosures. Poor people who need money will process other poor people who have no money. Smart poor people will join our gig economy to avoid getting evicted themselves." Last edited by Nich : 27th September 2020 at 15:34. |
30th September 2020, 13:06 | #1195 |
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https://www.health.gov.au/resources/...are-units-icus
0.8% of Australia's 2,200 ICU bed capacity currently used to treat COVID-19 patients. 0.8% is too damn high! |
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You might consider the runaway effects of the pandemic. If you wait until hospitals are reaching capacity until you put in place your interventions, you'll be dealing with an extended period of overwhelmed health care services.
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11th October 2020, 17:11 | #1197 |
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I suspect the fact NZ's hospitals are already stretched to their limit was a factor in deciding upon our immediate action. Especially with off-shore expertise much more difficult to obtain along with staff attrition. It could have gone really bad.
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11th October 2020, 19:26 | #1198 |
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I don't know how it is for Aussie, but for NZ even with zero covid patients in a hospital, the lockdowns take a huge toll for available beds due to rest homes not allowing hospitalised elderly to return.
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Coronavirus: WHO backflips on virus stance by condemning lockdowns
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12th October 2020, 13:13 | #1200 |
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If a countries original lockdown/getting system in place back around March was a fuck-up then yes, that ship has sailed.
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