Results thread 2014 - Page 3

Spink · 22nd September 2014, 16:08

Thanks Ab, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Redt7Hwi91c

(I couldn't find a video with sweaty men, jizz and turds)

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Originally Posted by Ab

This article is the only "how did National win?" article you need to read.

http://www.kiwipolitico.com/2014/09/reality-adjacent/

quoted because doesn't deserve to be relegated to bottom of page 2.

blynk · 22nd September 2014, 16:53

Im very disappointed with the many aspects

1 - National won outright. I think having to rely on a couple of parties is a good thing. Although not having to work with Peters is a good.
Also the right will only ever be the party that could get to 50%, due to the fact that the Left is split up. If labour ever got to 50%, then national would be absolutely screwed.

2 - Greens didn't do as well, although they are generally favoured in the special votes. Im sure last election they got an extra seat from it.

3 - The number of no votes. They should add a "No Vote" to the papers. Its seems like a lot of comments around are people saying they didn't vote because they couldn't relate to any party.
So it would be good to actually know what the breakdown was between them and people just not voting.

4 - Winston got so many votes and got back to Parliment. Althought I guess nothing changes. He will disappear for 2.5 years and will pop back up for the next election.

5 - ACT got back in. Although it might be funny to watch Seymour flounder around.

6 - That 1 party got 1.3% and has 2 people, another got 0.6% and has 1 person, and the first got 0.3%(?) and has 1 person.
So there are 4 people representing 1/50 of the population.
But the other party got double that and represents 1/25 of the population and got no one.

crocos · 22nd September 2014, 16:55

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Originally Posted by blynk

4 - Winston got so many votes and got back to Parliment. Althought I guess nothing changes. He will disappear for 2.5 years and will pop back up for the next election.

I've always maintained that I LIKE Winston First in the mix as opposition. The man is an amazing muckraker.

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Originally Posted by blynk

6 - That 1 party got 1.3% and has 2 people, another got 0.6% and has 1 person, and the first got 0.3%(?) and has 1 person.
So there are 4 people representing 1/50 of the population.
But the other party got double that and represents 1/25 of the population and got no one.

Well, sort-of. This is where Electorate Votes vs Party Votes make such a difference. It's how MMP works. Don't like it? Welp, vote for STV next voting referendum.

Ab · 22nd September 2014, 16:59

MMP sucks, in other news sky found to be blue.

Edit update: However, commented by electoral law specialist Prof Andrew Geddis at Otago:

Quote:

By keeping the party vote threshold at 5%, National gained the effective benefit of half of the 4.12% of the vote that Colin Craig's Conservative Party pulled in without facing the potential horrors of having to govern with his support. All of which means that, at the moment, under the MMP rules that National chose to retain, it is looking at having a parliamentary majority all on its own at a shade over 48% of the vote.

Now, can I know for sure that this outcome was planned in advance and not just a happy coincidence? Of course not. But everything else about National's campaign has been so bloody effective that I'm not ruling it out.

Ab · 22nd September 2014, 17:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by blynk

Im very disappointed with the many aspects

1 - National won outright. I think having to rely on a couple of parties is a good thing.

Key will still form a coalition. National won't go it alone. Because

a) it's a good look, and
b) specials are still to be counted and that 61 could still drop, and
c) it would insulate National against a sitting MP going rogue and fucking everything up.

Lightspeed · 22nd September 2014, 17:25

I wonder who will replace crushed Collins in cabinet.

Macca@Work · 22nd September 2014, 17:26

I just dont get Winston at all.He's had so many chances to make positive changes for the country but its like his ego gets in the way.
The one politician who could have done really well and been noted for it instead of being known as a party bitch making a deal with anyone who will listen.
I l watched him give his "we lost speech" and he really gave a lot of good thoughts.Too bad he's the bart simpson of the political scene constantly under achieving but every now and then giving a glimpse of what he is really capable of.

[BT]MikeMan · 22nd September 2014, 20:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

I wonder who will replace crushed Collins in cabinet.

You are assuming that she will not get a cabinet post in the 2014 government, that may be premature.

Ab · 22nd September 2014, 20:41

GAME CHANGERS YO

http://www.geoffreymiller.info/2014/09/gamechangers/

pxpx · 22nd September 2014, 21:28

Bomber is such a fuckwit lol.

SickBo@Work · 22nd September 2014, 21:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by crocos

I've always maintained that I LIKE Winston First in the mix as opposition. The man is an amazing muckraker.

New Zealand's most dishonest politician keeping the others honest....takes one to know one and all that I guess.

CCS · 22nd September 2014, 22:16

lol, Daily Blog.

Quote:

Martyn Bradbury at The Daily Blog, 26 February 2014

The only sadness about the appointment of Matt McCarten as David Cunliffe’s Chief-of-staff is that I didn’t get to see John Key’s or Cameron Slater’s or Jane Clifton’s or Trevor Mallard’s or Matthew Hooton’s or David Farrar’s faces when they heard the news.

I think the look on the faces of those people would be one of incredulity or laughter.

Evoke · 22nd September 2014, 22:37

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Originally Posted by Golden Teapot

The left did win - there is no right in NZ!

this. So surprised how often people liken Act with the Republicans. Act, the most right wing party of New Zealand (according to that compass thing), is more left than US Democrats

Evoke · 22nd September 2014, 22:40

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Originally Posted by crocos

I still don't get how Trev the Duck managed to get elected in Hutt South again.

he's only up by 300 votes and there are 3900 special votes still coming

Lightspeed · 23rd September 2014, 08:23

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Originally Posted by [BT]MikeMan

You are assuming that she will not get a cabinet post in the 2014 government, that may be premature.

Yeah, that's true. Do you think Key will be that bold? I guess Ede did just quit so maybe they can use that as pretense?

Macca@Work · 23rd September 2014, 09:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by [BT]MikeMan

You are assuming that she will not get a cabinet post in the 2014 government, that may be premature.

I don't think she will.Key is already looking to the next election.She will have to go through an enquiry which I don't think will vindicate her..for the sake of his credibility he'll have her riding the pine on the back benches.

pxpx · 23rd September 2014, 09:20

https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition.../?djytidb&pv=1

LOLOLOL

CCS · 23rd September 2014, 10:09

Lol, the tears!

signed

Omegakai · 23rd September 2014, 10:26

While its feasible to easy commit voting fraud in our current system, I don’t believe it is wide spread to the volume that would have affected the outcome of this election. As you would require 1000’s of people to be doing it.
In any case a recount won’t for sure pick up those fraudulent votes
Also I think if the margin is with in X amount this triggers an electoral recount anyway

pxpx · 23rd September 2014, 10:35

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment...le-goes-global

giggle :P

Omegakai · 23rd September 2014, 10:41

The question people should be asking is why people don’t feel compelled to vote.
Te Hana polling booth only had a total of 10 Maori voters, despite over 900 Maori voters living within 10 mins drive.
Id really like to know the split between I don’t care, and I don’t feel engaged.
The danger zone for non-voting is 40% , because then you start to get into massive issues about legality of governance with parties that win only ¼ of the actual population having a say.

pxpx · 23rd September 2014, 10:44

I think a lot of people think "I'm just one person, how is my one vote going to make any difference?", so they don't bother.

CCS · 23rd September 2014, 11:05

lololololoololololololololollolollo!l!!

Spink · 23rd September 2014, 11:07

look at enrolment stats for central auckland lol

CCS · 23rd September 2014, 11:14

Why don't you provide a bloody link then.

Spink · 23rd September 2014, 11:19

All of NZ
http://www.elections.org.nz/research...ics-electorate

Auckland Central
http://www.elections.org.nz/research...ckland+Central

crocos · 23rd September 2014, 11:36

Are you getting at how 102.95% of Auckland Central 65 to 69 year olds are enrolled?

That's simple: The "Total Eligible" population is an estimate.

Lightspeed · 23rd September 2014, 11:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by CCS

I'm looking forward to MMP being mature enough that we've left behind the Labour/National paradigm.

Spink · 23rd September 2014, 11:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by crocos

Are you getting at how 102.95% of Auckland Central 65 to 69 year olds are enrolled?

That's simple: The "Total Eligible" population is an estimate.

No, the 45% of 18-24.

ie. Labour/Green core demographic as far as I know.

CCS · 23rd September 2014, 12:00

Who are these 18 - 24 yr olds living in Auckland Central? I note that 61.7% of the electorate is European and 30.5% are Asian. I don't know what the age breakdown is, but I'm willing to venture that most of the 18 - 24 not registered are Asian students who don't give a fuck, don't feel they're represented by any particular party (especially the ones who are hating on Asians) or just don't understand what their obligations are. The rest are honky dipshit students.

As for 25 - 29 and 30 - 34... probably a bunch of deadbeat hipster douchebags.

Spink · 23rd September 2014, 12:03

Who would also vote against "The Man" and "The Establishment"

CCS · 23rd September 2014, 12:06

They might if they weren't so busy showing everyone how cool and blasé and disaffected they are. Oh, and ironic. They're being ironic.

fixed_truth · 23rd September 2014, 12:35

How about compulsory voting like our bogan neighbours?

CCS · 23rd September 2014, 12:36

What will that achieve?

fixed_truth · 23rd September 2014, 12:40

I'm assuming it would increase Democratic participation. Or maybe just protest votes (which I think would be better than not participating). Would need to look at some case studies.

Omegakai · 23rd September 2014, 12:42

I think you should vote, and there should be an option to abstain with reasons. that way you get votes and you data on why people didn't vote at the same time

Ab · 23rd September 2014, 12:58

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Originally Posted by Spink

Who would also vote against "The Man" and "The Establishment"

Also known as "the Internana campaign platform"

How'd that work out?

CCS · 23rd September 2014, 13:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

I'm assuming it would increase Democratic participation.

I'd say that non-voters are exercising their democratic right not participate.

Lightspeed · 23rd September 2014, 13:14

Except we all have to participate. We can't run to the hills anymore when we get fed up with what the majority imposes.

Spink · 23rd September 2014, 13:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

Also known as "the Internana campaign platform"

How'd that work out?

Students will drink free alcohol and come to anything vaguely considered a party but they won't thank you for it.

23rd September 2014, 10:09	#98
CCS Stunt Pants	Lol, the tears! signed __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

23rd September 2014, 11:05	#103
CCS Stunt Pants	lololololoololololololololollolollo!l!! __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

23rd September 2014, 11:14	#105
CCS Stunt Pants	Why don't you provide a bloody link then. __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

23rd September 2014, 12:00	#110
CCS Stunt Pants	Who are these 18 - 24 yr olds living in Auckland Central? I note that 61.7% of the electorate is European and 30.5% are Asian. I don't know what the age breakdown is, but I'm willing to venture that most of the 18 - 24 not registered are Asian students who don't give a fuck, don't feel they're represented by any particular party (especially the ones who are hating on Asians) or just don't understand what their obligations are. The rest are honky dipshit students. As for 25 - 29 and 30 - 34... probably a bunch of deadbeat hipster douchebags. __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

23rd September 2014, 12:06	#112
CCS Stunt Pants	They might if they weren't so busy showing everyone how cool and blasé and disaffected they are. Oh, and ironic. They're being ironic. __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

22nd September 2014, 16:53	#82
blynk	Im very disappointed with the many aspects 1 - National won outright. I think having to rely on a couple of parties is a good thing. Although not having to work with Peters is a good. Also the right will only ever be the party that could get to 50%, due to the fact that the Left is split up. If labour ever got to 50%, then national would be absolutely screwed. 2 - Greens didn't do as well, although they are generally favoured in the special votes. Im sure last election they got an extra seat from it. 3 - The number of no votes. They should add a "No Vote" to the papers. Its seems like a lot of comments around are people saying they didn't vote because they couldn't relate to any party. So it would be good to actually know what the breakdown was between them and people just not voting. 4 - Winston got so many votes and got back to Parliment. Althought I guess nothing changes. He will disappear for 2.5 years and will pop back up for the next election. 5 - ACT got back in. Although it might be funny to watch Seymour flounder around. 6 - That 1 party got 1.3% and has 2 people, another got 0.6% and has 1 person, and the first got 0.3%(?) and has 1 person. So there are 4 people representing 1/50 of the population. But the other party got double that and represents 1/25 of the population and got no one.

22nd September 2014, 17:25	#86
Lightspeed	I wonder who will replace crushed Collins in cabinet. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

22nd September 2014, 17:26	#87
Macca@Work	I just dont get Winston at all.He's had so many chances to make positive changes for the country but its like his ego gets in the way. The one politician who could have done really well and been noted for it instead of being known as a party bitch making a deal with anyone who will listen. I l watched him give his "we lost speech" and he really gave a lot of good thoughts.Too bad he's the bart simpson of the political scene constantly under achieving but every now and then giving a glimpse of what he is really capable of.

22nd September 2014, 20:41	#89
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	GAME CHANGERS YO http://www.geoffreymiller.info/2014/09/gamechangers/

22nd September 2014, 21:28	#90
pxpx	Bomber is such a fuckwit lol.

23rd September 2014, 09:20	#97
pxpx	https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition.../?djytidb&pv=1 LOLOLOL

23rd September 2014, 10:26	#99
Omegakai	While its feasible to easy commit voting fraud in our current system, I don’t believe it is wide spread to the volume that would have affected the outcome of this election. As you would require 1000’s of people to be doing it. In any case a recount won’t for sure pick up those fraudulent votes Also I think if the margin is with in X amount this triggers an electoral recount anyway __________________ why is a raven like a writing desk? "Because the notes for which they are noted are not noted for being musical notes"

23rd September 2014, 10:35	#100
pxpx	http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment...le-goes-global giggle :P

23rd September 2014, 10:41	#101
Omegakai	The question people should be asking is why people don’t feel compelled to vote. Te Hana polling booth only had a total of 10 Maori voters, despite over 900 Maori voters living within 10 mins drive. Id really like to know the split between I don’t care, and I don’t feel engaged. The danger zone for non-voting is 40% , because then you start to get into massive issues about legality of governance with parties that win only ¼ of the actual population having a say. __________________ why is a raven like a writing desk? "Because the notes for which they are noted are not noted for being musical notes"

23rd September 2014, 10:44	#102
pxpx	I think a lot of people think "I'm just one person, how is my one vote going to make any difference?", so they don't bother.

23rd September 2014, 11:07	#104
Spink	look at enrolment stats for central auckland lol __________________ Weak hearts I rip.

23rd September 2014, 11:19	#106
Spink	All of NZ http://www.elections.org.nz/research...ics-electorate Auckland Central http://www.elections.org.nz/research...ckland+Central __________________ Weak hearts I rip.

23rd September 2014, 11:36	#107
crocos	Are you getting at how 102.95% of Auckland Central 65 to 69 year olds are enrolled? That's simple: The "Total Eligible" population is an estimate. __________________ Ξ √ Ω L U T ↑ ☼ N وكل يوم كنت تعيش في العبودية

23rd September 2014, 12:03	#111
Spink	Who would also vote against "The Man" and "The Establishment" __________________ Weak hearts I rip.

23rd September 2014, 12:35	#113
fixed_truth	How about compulsory voting like our bogan neighbours? __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.

23rd September 2014, 12:36	#114
CCS Stunt Pants	What will that achieve? __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

23rd September 2014, 12:40	#115
fixed_truth	I'm assuming it would increase Democratic participation. Or maybe just protest votes (which I think would be better than not participating). Would need to look at some case studies. __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.

23rd September 2014, 12:42	#116
Omegakai	I think you should vote, and there should be an option to abstain with reasons. that way you get votes and you data on why people didn't vote at the same time __________________ why is a raven like a writing desk? "Because the notes for which they are noted are not noted for being musical notes"

23rd September 2014, 13:14	#119
Lightspeed	Except we all have to participate. We can't run to the hills anymore when we get fed up with what the majority imposes. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.