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Old 12th November 2020, 12:16     #42281
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You guys are embarrassing. Crying over your fake oppression.

Life is hard. That you face discrimination isn't the same as oppression.

Cry some fucking more if that's what you need.
Haha, I love you lolspeed, you are my favourite simp <3

Nowhere did I claim to be oppressed (stop inventing shit please). No-one here is crying other than you for whatever reason that may be. I provided a literal example of what has been said doesn't happen, and now you're resorting to the same tactic you love to cry foul about when others do it ... "cry more".

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Old 12th November 2020, 12:18     #42282
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Aww sweetie, that's so cute. Perhaps you want to call me a smooth brain next?
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Old 12th November 2020, 13:52     #42283
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You say you're not crying, but I can see the tears on your cheeks.
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Old 12th November 2020, 20:24     #42284
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I went to high school with a PoC in South Africa who was albino. He was told (to his face) that he could not be given a job by a specific employer because he was "too white", no matter what his passport and ID book said. This is now extremely common practice in South Africa (and several other African neighbouring nations).
For white South Africans to be racially discriminated in a meaningful way they'd need to be a minority (which they are <10%) AND be alienated with regards to land, wealth and opportunities, which they're not (yet?)

So yeah pointing out quite a unique context as a possible exception to the rule deflects away from the experience of minority non-white people in a society vs white people in that society.
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Old 13th November 2020, 00:54     #42285
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For white South Africans to be racially discriminated in a meaningful way they'd need to be a minority (which they are <10%) AND be alienated with regards to land, wealth and opportunities, which they're not (yet?)

So yeah pointing out quite a unique context as a possible exception to the rule deflects away from the experience of minority non-white people in a society vs white people in that society.
I'll need to disagree with you there F_T; there are hundreds of reports/instances of white farmers and their families being tortured and murdered (not to take away from murder/violence of any other group in RSA - it's rampant). Then there is also the suggested expropriation without compensation (again aimed mostly at white South Africans), and the current version of what started as Affirmative Action, the intent of which was to provide equity for disadvantaged groups. Alas as with most things in South Africa, that intent (part of the Employment Equity Act) has been twisted by those enforcing it.

Please don't mistake my response with one saying I personally feel that I have ever been oppressed (as lolspeed somehow inferred); in the grand scheme of things I lived an incredibly lucky and comparatively wealthy/secure childhood in RSA, and was fortunate to have parents with the foresight to see the direction the country was going, and choosing to leave to get myself and my siblings into a safer place. I am also not referencing "white genocide" in any capacity. I'm only raising the specific example of RSA as that is where my experience lies, and that of the family and friends who still live there. Finally, I'm not trying to claim that poor whites in South Africa have it any worse than poor blacks; that would be farcical and very easily disproven.

Assuming you're interested enough to read any of this stuff (it's dry as fuck).
White Farm murders:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_...n_farm_attacks
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-s...-idUSKBN2711NE
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/sou...GCRQYMJZ2H54A/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...-south-africa/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-rejected.html

Black Economic Empowerment and Affirmative Action
AA was introduced (iirc) in the early 90's when the ANC took power. The idea was to try and help disadvantaged socio-economic groups to address the inequality under Apartheid. BEE policy was introduced later and applied to education as well as employment. Businesses are given points based on their adherence to BEE (i.e. the % of their work force made up of black employees) which can lead to further govt grants, and awarding of national and local govt contracts (you can see where that would lead).

While the intent behind AA and BEE is both laudable and understandable, the reality is that in a lot of cases they have led to inefficiency, corruption, cronyism, nepotism - the govt itself is one of the clearest examples of these. I agree with you that an element of the white population is far from bottomed out in terms of wealth or land ownership (that will come soon if the aforementioned land expropriation bill goes ahead); I disagree about the opportunities available to them however. The brain drain of RSA is ongoing (for those who can afford to get out), and conditions in the country are still getting worse.

https://www.businessinsa.com/bee/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_...ic_Empowerment
https://www.lawyersouthafrica.co.za/...can-workplace/
https://rationalstandard.com/affirma...d-immediately/
https://www.brandsouthafrica.com/inv...ic-empowerment

Land Expropriation:
https://dearsouthafrica.co.za/2020/1...-compensation/
https://saupdates.co.za/news/just-in...bill-gazetted/
https://iafrica.com/government-has-g...priation-bill/

Disclaimer - I have only skim read most of these for relevance; I'm not sure if they support or counter my argument In fairness, a lot of what I've read is new to me, and it seems the number (although not the stories of torture) of white farmer murders in particular have been exaggerated.

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Old 13th November 2020, 01:04     #42286
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Talking

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You say you're not crying, but I can see the tears on your cheeks.
holy shit, you sat and festered on that for an hour and a half hey? haha


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Old 13th November 2020, 06:41     #42287
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Hard, hard oof.

You need to look a bit closer. You edited your comment after my reply. My next comment is in reply to your edit.

You're so fucking desperate.
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Old 13th November 2020, 11:17     #42288
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@Savage
Yep the the South Africa situation seems very complex with a lot of conflicting reports from both sides. It comes back to whether what's going on results in the widespread oppression of white South Africans. It does get murky with reverse discrimination as when you're redressing historical grievances then it's necessary that the group who benefited greatly from this has some of their power & wealth removed. Looking at the stats it still looks like white South Africans are very much at the top. You mention poor whites which is a good point as although they have access to white jobs & privilege they don't have that financial buffer.
Also with the farmer killings any racial motivations aren't clear cut either. There's over 21000 murders and hundreds of thousands of robberies per year and white farmers are the victims in around half a percent of those murders.
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Old 13th November 2020, 13:58     #42289
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I will turn this thing around
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Old 13th November 2020, 14:22     #42290
Lightspeed
 
Laugh

Aight boss.
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Old 17th November 2020, 00:19     #42291
Nothing
 
What the fuck have I walked into? Also, I notice the forum now has about 68k members. We could probably start a pretty decent political party with a membership like that. {edit} Our party slogan could be "We're not racist, but party members still disagree over whether white people in South Africa are being oppressed, mmkay?" {/edit}

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Old 17th November 2020, 09:16     #42292
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I think if I sorted the forum members list by "last active" there would be about 30 people active in the past month
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Old 17th November 2020, 10:02     #42293
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30 people who appreciate that what they say on the internet can't be discovered by a lazy google search.
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Old 17th November 2020, 12:47     #42294
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30 people who appreciate that what they say on the internet can't be discovered by a lazy google search.
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Old 17th November 2020, 15:59     #42295
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Just passed 20 years since joining this forum. Wow.
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Old 18th November 2020, 09:24     #42296
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So, um, today's Google Doodle...

Something amusing in regional interpretations outside of the US.
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Old 18th November 2020, 14:53     #42297
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Just passed 20 years since joining this forum. Wow.
Where as I'm now barely old enough to vote in Forum years (June 2002)
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Old 22nd November 2020, 20:32     #42298
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https://www.meerkats.worksafe.govt.nz/ as someone that has experienced similar over a decade ago, this Meerkats campaign is accurate.

Saw a stack of goods fall down maybe 10 meters behind a workmate from a "level 6" location which was the highest our forklifts operated. If it'd fallen several seconds earlier he would have been dead. Made me a bit safety mad after that and I fortunately got out of that job not long after
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Old 23rd November 2020, 08:21     #42299
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Hmmm - if you are a fan of any Lion Nathan products, you may remember the slight supply chain glitch earlier in the year.

A prudent person reading between the lines might consider stocking up before the end of the year - just in case.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/live-c...2RXIH2KIEITDM/
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Old 26th November 2020, 11:00     #42300
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Too soon?

https://mobile.twitter.com/GaryLinek...37479640870917
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Old 26th November 2020, 18:42     #42301
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Laugh

I've made the typo more than once.

This time, it has a page:

https://www.stiff.co.nz/
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Old 27th November 2020, 18:01     #42302
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Allow beneficiaries to pick fruit without declaring their income, no questions including sickness benefits.
Allow M tax rate on fruit picking (without having to be taxed at secondary and claim it back)
Fund employers to allow their workers time off to help pick

Profit.
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Old 28th November 2020, 00:47     #42303
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Thumbs up

I see Faith No More is back in February 2021

Covid fucked up the last concert, but it's on!
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Old 1st December 2020, 17:26     #42304
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Best Twitter thread EVAR
https://twitter.com/LilahSturges/sta...68515909160967
... As long as you're not a philistine.
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Old 3rd December 2020, 10:11     #42305
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RIP Toecutter.
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Old 3rd December 2020, 11:05     #42306
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A mariachi ogre snorkel
 
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Best Twitter thread EVAR
https://twitter.com/LilahSturges/sta...68515909160967
... As long as you're not a philistine.
story checks out
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Old 3rd December 2020, 11:43     #42307
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The US media seems to be making a lot out of Sen Kelly taking over McCains term, being a Gulf War veteran, and NASA astronaut. But they fail to mention his greatest achievement - convincing NASA that he should be allowed to use his allotted personal items allowance on a Space Station fight to send up a Gorilla costume for his twin brother.
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Old 3rd December 2020, 14:05     #42308
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The US media seems to be making a lot out of Sen Kelly taking over McCains term, being a Gulf War veteran, and NASA astronaut. But they fail to mention his greatest achievement - convincing NASA that he should be allowed to use his allotted personal items allowance on a Space Station fight to send up a Gorilla costume for his twin brother.
Hilarious.

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Best Twitter thread EVAR
https://twitter.com/LilahSturges/sta...68515909160967
... As long as you're not a philistine.
Also hilarious.
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Old 13th December 2020, 11:33     #42309
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Something sweet and positive for you all: The story of Eliana and Sapphire the Fairy
https://twitter.com/saysthefox/statu...98289080770561
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Old 18th December 2020, 16:01     #42310
Lightspeed
 
It's quite a sight on Tamaki Drive today, with the yacht race. All the spectator boats on the other side of the harbour made it look like Rangitoto was wearing a necklace.

Those yachts have some hoon to them. Go from stationary to full tilt in no time flat.
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Old 18th December 2020, 16:42     #42311
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Something sweet and positive for you all: The story of Eliana and Sapphire the Fairy
https://twitter.com/saysthefox/statu...98289080770561
fuck me, kill all hum--

sorry, autopilot. usually works, not this time
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Old 27th December 2020, 21:48     #42312
Lightspeed
 
Wacked

Bitcoin...
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Old 28th December 2020, 00:00     #42313
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Jesus
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Old 29th December 2020, 13:58     #42314
Ab
A mariachi ogre snorkel
 
Speaking of what the fucking fuck

https://www.theguardian.com/business...e_iOSApp_Other
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Old 29th December 2020, 19:29     #42315
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Not sure I like this new feature where if you copy and paste a link from your browser it turns it into linked text.

Often the link I'm copying needs editing first and being a nerd, the links I copy frequently need to be pasted exactly as I copied it. I don't like links being obfuscated by text.

Just as bad as when you copy www.[website].com from chrome and when you paste it you get https://www.[website].com
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Old 6th January 2021, 18:57     #42316
Lightspeed
 
Laugh

Louis Day of Canterbury's Star News is a first class troll.

Residents concerned over ‘ugly’ housing developments in their suburb

Said residents standing in front of the "unique character" they're looking to preserve:

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Old 8th January 2021, 14:51     #42317
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all hail the new king, elon is now the world's richest man
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Old 11th January 2021, 23:01     #42318
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Probably late to the party but woah! Smithsonian Open Access is pretty fucking awesome.
https://www.si.edu/openaccess
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Old 12th January 2021, 15:45     #42319
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Angry talking

My Sachs Madass 125 that was stolen in around 2012 was recovered - from the bottom of the ocean beneath the Taranaki Street wharf.

I can understand stealing someone's motorbike maybe - but pushing it into the sea for a laugh? Mental.
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Old 12th January 2021, 16:47     #42320
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Sad

Ooh, that sucks. You've got my sympathy, that's forsure. Looks like it was a cool bike! How'd they contact you about it?
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