Increase teacher pay

[Ab]

Because apparently when you pay peanuts you get monkeys.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10668807

[Lightspeed]

That's a great idea. Hands up those willing to pay more taxes so that our kids get better education?

[fixed_truth]

http://www.ppta.org.nz/index.php/ppt...-salaries.html

* Of 29 countries in the survey New Zealand had the fourth worst starting salary.
* After 15 years' experience New Zealand secondary teachers have a cost of living/exchange rate-adjusted (PPP) salary which is 17% lower than the OECD average.

[TheBender]

Originally Posted by Ab

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10668807

Oh that's just fucked-in-the-head thinking from the school.

Maybe this bunch were their inspiration.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...-shooting.html

[Deadmeat]

At least it's better than the ausi teacher who had their kids plan a terrorist attack on their own neighbourhood. With the aim of maximising casualties, naturally.

[ChaosWulf]

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

That's a great idea. Hands up those willing to pay more taxes so that our kids get better education?

Me.

[xor]

It's too late, there are too many tards in teaching already.

[Lightspeed]

I know a few of good people who are teachers, but who are already showing signs of exhaustion after only a couple of years work.

Originally Posted by ChaosWulf

Me.

Yeah, me too. But not the people who can most afford to.

[Saladin]

lol, southland.

[Spidey]

Disband the union, pay teachers based on student's performance.

[DrTiTus]

If pay is based on student performance, then who in their right mind would want to teach the children with learning difficulties?

[Ab]

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

That's a great idea. Hands up those willing to pay more taxes so that our kids get better education?

I'd buy that for a dollar. Provided the quality of the teaching was measured of course.

[LFC]

Poor people don't deserve a good education, I'm sending my kids to private school.

[xor]

Originally Posted by Spidey

Disband the union, pay teachers based on student's performance.

1. Give the students A grades
2. ???
3. Profit

[MrTTTT]

mostly teachers are muppets and don't deserve more pay. but then it's a viscous cycle. the pay is shit so it attracts those who sucked at everything else, so teachers are muppets, so they don't deserve more pay. and the cycle continues.

honestly, teaching is a fooking easy job. anyone who tells you differently is a full time teacher.

disclaimer: i'm not referring to primary school teachers here.

[DrTiTus]

How long did you teach for MrTTTT?

What makes primary school teachers exempt from your branding of muppets?

I ask because I'm training to be a secondary school teacher, and I find it interesting to hear what different people's opinions are of teaching and teachers, and what made their school experience positive/negative.

[CCS]

Originally Posted by MrTTTT

it's a viscous cycle

lol

[dylan]

Originally Posted by MrTTTT

honestly, teaching is a fooking easy job. anyone who tells you differently is a full time teacher.

disclaimer: i'm not referring to primary school teachers here.

My dad was a (secondary school) teacher for a long time, and believe me when I say fuck you - you're a muppet

[Lightspeed]

I don't think I would want anyone teaching who thought teaching was easy. Caring for, let alone educating a room full of children alone HAS to be difficult. If it's not then I doubt the teacher is really teaching.

[QWERTY?]

oh teaching,

the problems with teaching in NZ are quite a contrast from Canada

1) Teaching is INSANELY competitive to get into(you'll see why), NZ its a call back career for most uni students
2) Starting salary is like 55~ CAD, what it is in NZ 38 NZD? (though different markets, blah)
3) Its impossible to get a fulltime job out of it in canada out of school, you pretty much have to do relief(supply) teaching, like 1 day a week for a few years before you get small contracts then eventually you might end up with fulltime job, on top of that you have to be continuously taking courses to upskill.

most of the difference is not around pay, but benefits as well, the retirement contributions alone are like 15% above your pay, its super unionized so once you're in you are set for life.

I speculate that in NZ offered perks and decent pay, thus making it far more competitive the standard of education would rise also perhaps? BUT who's going to pay for it is the other issue..

[fixed_truth]

Originally Posted by Ab

I'd buy that for a dollar. Provided the quality of the teaching was measured of course.

That's easier said than done. Can you even consistently and fairly measure a teachers performance based on the students outcomes? Take the current proposed national standards policy.

These issues were identified by Professor Warwick Elley, who has been a highly regarded expert in the field of educational assessment for the last 30-years.
Twenty Fundamental Flaws in the National Standards policy

[JP]

It's funny, i'd say, if you remove private schools, for some reason we'd find a way to increase funding for public schools considerably. It's a bit of a joke 80% of the population is being pushed into second class citizenship.

As long as their are private options, those who have most of the wealth will push for reduced funding for public services.

As for education itself, well I mean, how much of it is still based around memorisation? It's got to be one of the most retarded things about the modern education system, even at university, memorisation is king in most subjects. You may need skills beyond that, but if you cannot memorise things you are pretty much going to fail. Of course this leads to shit like writing out the same lines over and over instead of reading entire sections and trying to truely increase understanding.

Then all of a sudden you get outside of school and memorisation hardly exists, it does exist, and to that extent I think it should be included in school, but I mean, we get 17 years to try and make people as smart as possible which is something that benefits everyone. Is memorisation really the best thing to be training people to do?

Yet people will cling to it, look at the cambridge bullshit.

[[WanG] Wandarah]

Originally Posted by MrTTTT

mostly teachers are muppets and don't deserve more pay. but then it's a viscous cycle. the pay is shit so it attracts those who sucked at everything else, so teachers are muppets, so they don't deserve more pay. and the cycle continues.

honestly, teaching is a fooking easy job. anyone who tells you differently is a full time teacher.

disclaimer: i'm not referring to primary school teachers here.

either this is a fantastic troll, or you're a fantastic troll.

[xor]

I'd edit that and say most primary teachers are tarded up. High school teachers are a different breed and command respect.

[Lightspeed]

Teachers didn't command shit at AO when I was there.

[blynk]

Originally Posted by Spidey

Disband the union, pay teachers based on student's performance.

So everyone will want to work in the Decile 10 schools and no one in the Decile 1 schools.

I have a close connection to a Secondary school teacher, and can see the amount of work that person does. It's insane.
Of course, I also see some of the other people who seem to do a helluva lot less.

Individual pay would be way better, but a lot harder to implement fairly.

[smudge]

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

Teachers didn't command shit at AO when I was there.

<raps>Straight outa south auckland, a dirty MFer called Lightspeed</raps>

My sister is a deputy principal of a decile 1 school in south auckland, teachers who are useless seem to be one of her bigger problems.