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Old 23rd August 2018, 09:23     #121
Cyberbob
 
It's just so much easier to find like-minded people and build a collective.

To paraphrase an American comedian, if you go on Facebook to find people that have sex with goats that are on fire, you'll have to specify the type of goat.
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Old 23rd August 2018, 16:36     #122
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Ain't got nothin' to do with free speech, has everything to do with the medium being the message.
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Old 23rd August 2018, 17:31     #123
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I probably don't really know what free speech is to be honest. It seems one of those US-centric ideas from a couple of hundred years ago that we're all supposed to have bought into.

I was thinking about the idea that if everyone is free to share their ideas and values, those that are without merit will be exposed and die, rather than festering in the dark while allowing what works to flourish. Or something.

I don't really understand if the medium is the message. Facebook is the message? Social media is the message?
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Old 23rd August 2018, 17:33     #124
Ab
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outrage is the message.
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Old 23rd August 2018, 17:45     #125
Lightspeed
 
Makes sense.

So is this really about social media or the outrageous state of the world?

Because the outrage is real, right? People are genuinely struggling and facing difficulties not of their own making. Right?
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Old 25th August 2018, 01:19     #126
Nich
 
poverty of the soul

OK, But You Gotta Admit -- The WAY Mark Zuckerberg Hacked Into Those Email Accounts Was Pretty Cool
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/h....com&r=US&IR=T

In 8 short years, he's gone from "cool" hacker, to alien who overacts when drinking water.
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Old 25th August 2018, 12:46     #127
Ab
A mariachi ogre snorkel
 
Facebook is cancer

https://www.reuters.com/investigates...facebook-hate/
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Old 28th August 2018, 17:28     #128
DrTiTus
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Quote:
Originally Posted by crocos
I'm working for NZX at the moment. Just not that NZX - instead it's the stock exchange. (Well... I can't imagine a porn mag wanting a power-price interchange ESB-based service...)
OK crocos, what did you do? :P
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Old 28th August 2018, 20:18     #129
pxpx
 
select * from nzx
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Old 29th August 2018, 08:42     #130
Cyberbob
 
Since the furniture company Drop Tables went public, the NZX's been in trouble.
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Old 29th August 2018, 11:46     #131
Ab
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Ahahaha
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Old 29th August 2018, 20:21     #132
MadMax
Stuff
 
social media? fuck YEAH

Dog gets stolen from SPCA:


Basic sleuthing finds the cowardly bozo mongrel thug:


Oh what's on said thug's facebook page?


Boom; posts under her lost puppy post:
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Old 30th August 2018, 12:02     #133
Pepsi
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Thrown over the fence? Poor pup
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Old 30th August 2018, 12:11     #134
CCS
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Nah, their bones are springy at that age
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Old 31st August 2018, 00:03     #135
Ab
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Facebook is cancer

http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Techc...3/Cp1LUQIeavM/
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Old 31st August 2018, 09:05     #136
pxpx
 
Bit of a storm in a tech crunch innit?
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Old 31st August 2018, 11:01     #137
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Bit of a storm in a tech crunch innit?
Some people need to be slapped into wokeness, and facebook is the one to do the slapping. Anne Frank Center just wasn't virtue signalling enough for the most oppressed and ostracized of society. There is not a single post about blacks, the gender pay gap, whiteness = violence, or trans pronouns! Very disappointing.
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Old 31st August 2018, 14:20     #138
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The Left hates the Jews. They'll never be woke enough to cease their anti-Semitism.
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Old 31st August 2018, 15:13     #139
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a lawyer for Jones recently said the conspiracy theorist is merely playing a character when he speaks via his InfoWars channels. “He’s playing a character,” attorney Randall Wilhite said during a recent pretrial hearing. “He is a performance artist.”
Judge Rules Against Alex Jones and Infowars in Sandy Hook Lawsuit

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After Mr. Pozner succeeded in getting an Infowars video casting doubt on the shooting removed from YouTube, Mr. Jones showed his audience Mr. Pozner’s personal information and maps to addresses associated with his family, court documents say. Mr. Jones also falsely accused Ms. De La Rosa of participating in a faked interview with Anderson Cooper of CNN after the shooting, according to court documents.

Subsequent death threats and harassment have forced the Pozner family to move seven times. They currently live in hiding.
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Old 25th September 2018, 12:13     #140
Ab
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Not entirely sure that this is the mos appropriate thread, but it’s close because YouTube sucks. Anyway, read. (Trigger warning: Ezra Klein)

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...right-peterson
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Old 25th September 2018, 14:02     #141
pxpx
 
YouTube is amazing, except when it comes to political crap.
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Old 25th September 2018, 14:28     #142
Ab
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Youtube monetises extremism, no matter the subject.

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The digital scholar Zeynep Tufekci has written about YouTube’s role as an engine of radicalization. She retells watching Donald Trump videos and then being pointed toward “white supremacist rants, Holocaust denials and other disturbing content.” Watching Hillary Clinton rallies led her to “arguments about the existence of secret government agencies and allegations that the United States government was behind the attacks of Sept. 11.” Even nonpolitical topics followed the pattern: “Videos about vegetarianism led to videos about veganism. Videos about jogging led to videos about running ultramarathons.”
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It seems as if you are never “hard core” enough for YouTube’s recommendation algorithm. It promotes, recommends and disseminates videos in a manner that appears to constantly up the stakes.
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Old 25th September 2018, 14:35     #143
pxpx
 
Quote:
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Youtube monetises extremism, no matter the subject.
Yes 100% agree that extremist DIY Carpentry and Maker videos are going to be the end of us. But yeah I get where you're going.

Last edited by pxpx : 25th September 2018 at 14:36.
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Old 25th September 2018, 15:15     #144
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Yes 100% agree that extremist DIY Carpentry and Maker videos are going to be the end of us. But yeah I get where you're going.
You speak the truth. It started when I though Mr Zametti was a kiwi...
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Old 25th September 2018, 16:36     #145
Nich
 
Yep, I never thought of it that way, but now that I think about it, they're spot on with the extremism observation.

My searches for solar-powered aquaponics systems has lead to "How to build a fallout shelter" ... but after all those Hillary videos I also watched it didn't seem too unreasonable a video suggestion.
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Old 26th September 2018, 07:33     #146
pxpx
 
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You speak the truth. It started when I though Mr Zametti was a kiwi...
lol! also guilty
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Old 26th September 2018, 11:25     #147
Ab
A mariachi ogre snorkel
 
Instagram founders bail out

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/24/t...rs-resign.html

Instagram IS Facebook.
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Old 29th September 2018, 00:00     #148
Ab
A mariachi ogre snorkel
 
Which is cancer

https://apple.news/AA81J37IERAiLHs9sqUaZtg
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Old 30th September 2018, 11:45     #149
Ab
A mariachi ogre snorkel
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/28/t...ta-breach.html

John Gruber:

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Who wants to bet that a week or two from now they “discover” it was 100 million accounts, and then eventually admit it was 200 million?
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Old 2nd October 2018, 08:00     #150
pxpx
 
relevant
https://www.usenix.org/conference/us.../ghasemisharif
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Old 2nd October 2018, 08:05     #151
pxpx
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pxpx
in twitter thread form:
https://twitter.com/jpolakis/status/1046086964410294272
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Old 17th October 2018, 15:16     #152
Nich
 
YouTube is down worldwide as they try to scrub the NPC Wojak meme from the internet.
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Old 17th October 2018, 15:34     #153
Lightspeed
 
Mah monetizations!
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Old 25th October 2018, 13:37     #154
Ab
A mariachi ogre snorkel
 
Amen Tim.

https://techcrunch.com/2018/10/24/ap...trial-complex/
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Old 30th October 2018, 21:18     #155
Ab
A mariachi ogre snorkel
 
Read

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article..._medium=iosapp
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Old 1st November 2018, 16:33     #156
Deadmeat
 
But taking likes away from twitter should fix it right?
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Old 1st November 2018, 18:05     #157
Ab
A mariachi ogre snorkel
 
that's some gamechanging thought leadership alt right


oops I mean all right
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Old 1st November 2018, 18:57     #158
[Malks] Pixie
 
Yep. Twitter seem to still think they're managing a communications network which is, errr, concerning.
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Old 1st November 2018, 20:00     #159
Lightspeed
 
The problem I have with the idea this thread purports is that everything that is fucked up was fucked up before social media. Sure, social media enables a lot that previously was difficult. But that's across the board. Whether it's psychopaths, SJWs or nihilists, the compassionate, concerned or insightful, we all enjoy the same advantages social media brings.

Making out that the fucked up shit we're able to see that was previously obscured is a problem of social media makes it seems like the solution is to fix social media. The absurdity of which we're on commenting right now.

The problem is the grim shit that's been going on forever. The powerful acting powerfully and the weak identifying with the aggressor.

The Nazis didn't need no social media to get their groove on. What were the ingredients back then? A desperate situation to feed resentment and the willingness to put in more work than those who would oppose them?
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Old 1st November 2018, 20:23     #160
[Malks] Pixie
 
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The Nazis didn't need no social media to get their groove on.
The Nazis are literally credited with the first ever mass media spectacle (the Berlin Olympics) - they "got their groove on" as you so eloquently put it, by utilising new communications media of the time (TV). They spread their propaganda and leveraged a lack of media literacy in the new formats. They solidified this with more traditional formats of radio (which had wider reach but less impact) and print to capture a wider section of the population. Media, particularly new media (for the time), we absolutely critical in their ability to build support.

Is any of this sounding at all similar to some of the situations we are seeing now?
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