What grinds your gonads? Boobies, babies, and midwives oh my

[gentle]

Originally Posted by chiquelet

Hold the phone...it does? How did I miss this?!

Nobody has jizzed near your nose I presume?

Unlike Pepsi and ChiQ lol.

[chiQ]

It's official: this community is getting old and domesticated.

[chiquelet]

Originally Posted by Warrick

Keen. Email in profile.

Tell you what, I'll cut out the nipple, photoshop out the stretchmarks *cries*....and then I'll maybe send it to you. Cos I'm totally aware that if I send it to you then the rest of NZG will eventually see it too. I remember Mickey

Ugh man, that photo grosses me out, and that was the second, less horrible abscess. The first was a true beaut. The drain was 30 cms long.

[Warrick]

Originally Posted by chiquelet

Tell you what, I'll cut out the nipple, photoshop out the stretchmarks *cries*....and then I'll maybe send it to you.

i've had a couple of partners in the past with kids, so nothing new there. i wouldn't worry about it.

as for the Mickey thing, well... completely different situation. half a dozen A class peeps on here already had those pics and i didn't publically share them, just dished them out to those who were curious and knew me.

Up to you, I'm genuinely curious and WILL NOT share. No fuss~

[fixed_truth]

Originally Posted by zeekiorage

My experience with midwives in Auckland is very different. We had a very good midwife.

I'd say that's the norm.

Some stats:
About 78 percent choose a midwife, 8 percent GP, 8 percent Obstetrician, 6 percent unknown.
http://www.nzhis.govt.nz/moh.nsf/pagesns/39

[gentle]

Originally Posted by Warrick

i've had a couple of partners in the past with kids, so nothing new there. i wouldn't worry about it.

as for the Mickey thing, well... completely different situation. half a dozen A class peeps on here already had those pics and i didn't publically share them, just dished them out to those who were curious and knew me.

Up to you, I'm genuinely curious and WILL NOT share. No fuss~

'A Class' huh, lol you need to get out more man.

[chiquelet]

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

Some stats:
http://www.nzhis.govt.nz/moh.nsf/pagesns/39

A very interesting read. I'm totally shocked at the number of elective c-sections, though. If you have a breech baby you can have an elective, but if you've had a previous c-section you're automatically entitled to a c-section, regardless of whether you need it or not. That, imo, is fucked. So I wonder how many of those electives are "I'm a pussy" and how many are "breech"?

[Trigger]

From discussing dm4 ra/mh/rl cycle, to discussing breastfeeding and midwives, all in 10 short years...

[Warrick]

Originally Posted by gentle

'A Class' huh, lol you need to get out more man.

STINK

[Lightspeed]

I roll with the S Class.

[gentle]

Originally Posted by Warrick

STINK

He he, OK OK, you're all A-Class!

On topic: as a result of this thread I had a convo with the SO where I said we're going to have specialist care at whatever cost.

Thread delivers BTW (no pun intended)

[Pepsi]

Originally Posted by ChaosWulf

Pepsi - Glad I'm not the only one who has thought that!

Yeah, a bunch of my mum friends thought so too.. so I guess it's true

Originally Posted by chiquelet

Hold the phone...it does? How did I miss this?!

Did your waters break before you went into hospital? If they didn't then I'm assuming that could be why you didn't notice?

[Ab]

Originally Posted by Pepsi

Amniotic fluid smells like jizz. True story.

Appropriate. Jizz is the source of all life.

[Warrick]

BITCHEZ KIZZES DA JIZZES! FO SHIZZEZ!

feels like something Weird Al would say.

[CCS]

Originally Posted by chiQ

It's official: this community is getting old and domesticated.

Lame, eh?

[Bandalador]

Originally Posted by chiquelet

Yeah, and you wonder why I'm not responding to you.

Haha oh I'm not wondering at all. I have every confidence in my deduction that you're a jumped up little blow hard lacking even the slightest ability to back up your statements which I have questioned. Also that you're more than happy to snipe at me from your high horse with nothing more to back yourself with other than your "Bandydouche, your views are so abhorrent to me that I'm not even going to attempted to justify my wildly puerile insults I'll continue to sling at you because I'm just that much more knowledgeable and correct than you are."
Got news for you girly, you're a joke and here's another reason why....

Originally Posted by chiquelet

A very interesting read. I'm totally shocked at the number of elective c-sections, though. If you have a breech baby you can have an elective, but if you've had a previous c-section you're automatically entitled to a c-section, regardless of whether you need it or not. That, imo, is fucked. So I wonder how many of those electives are "I'm a pussy" and how many are "breech"?

Are you possibly so bat shit stupid that you believe "breech" is the only possible justification for an 'elective cesarean' and 'I'm a pussy' is the only possible alternative? Seriously?
In fact I remember discussing this exact point here in the past, as there are many, many legitimate medical reasons for your LMC (not always just you) to decide than an 'elective cesarean' is the only real option.
Back yourself up or pull your head in, lady.

[Bandalador]

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

I'd say that's the norm.

Some stats:
About 78 percent choose a midwife, 8 percent GP, 8 percent Obstetrician, 6 percent unknown.
http://www.nzhis.govt.nz/moh.nsf/pagesns/39

You know everyone is under the 'care' of a midwife post natal though right?
Even if you're fully private and your LMC is not a midwife you are still visited at home by a midwife for 4-5 weeks post natal then you have your 6 week check with your LMC then that's it, you're out of the system.
I wonder though, how many would chose an obstetrician if they were better funded in the public system and not thoroughly depicted as an unnecessary/unnatural evil by what is most peoples first contact in the maternity care system.... midwives.

[Torka]

After reading the jizz comments I went googling to find out what amniotic fluid is made of. Most sources seem to agree that at 36 weeks it's mostly comprised of the baby's urine.

[Pimp-X]

Sounds very biological.

[Torka]

Biology is horrible.

[Waldo]

Originally Posted by Bandalador

Are you possibly so bat shit stupid that you believe "breech" is the only possible justification for an 'elective cesarean' and 'I'm a pussy' is the only possible alternative? Seriously?

I read her post several times, and I don't see where she said she believed that a breech is the only possible justification for an elective.... must sleep more.

[Bandalador]

Only two options she gave, wouldn't put it past her given her posting in this thread.

[Heyzoos]

This thread is awesome.

On the fore/hind milk thing. Lactation experts (yes an actual title) in the UK are constantly preaching this. Proof is in the taste test. Very easy to prove its truthiness.

[chiquelet]

Originally Posted by Bandalador

Only two options she gave, wouldn't put it past her given her posting in this thread.

I hate to break it to you, but I'm not the one looking like a tool in this thread.

And I think it's pretty clear from my posts so far (in fact I've said it) is that I don't believe in the medicalisation of childbirth. Most women have straight-forward, problem-free pregnancies and births. No more than a midwife is required. But of course, for some women (more than a few) a specialist is a neccesity, and that's ok too.

It sucks that your wife and many other women have had bad midwife experiences. But they're not all bad, and to decry midwifery as a profession akin to witchcraft is just retarded. Midwives can deal with the majority of pregnancies, and they're trained to recognise problems and get them seen to by a specialist asap (granted, there are exceptions, unfortunately).

[ChaosWulf]

Originally Posted by chiquelet

So I wonder how many of those electives are "I'm a pussy" and how many are "breech"?

I could be wrong here, but I was under the impression that if you just "wanted" a c-section, you had to go private. Everyone I know who has had an "elective c-section" has been because of health complications - from breech to low-lying placenta, etc. The term elective is therefore bloody misleading, considering that the alternative is long complicated births with a high probability of mother & baby dying.

[Heyzoos]

Originally Posted by ChaosWulf

I could be wrong here,...

You are wrong. :P However... before it happens you need you need to be "fully consulted".

[a-tech]

Originally Posted by Bandalador

Of course if breast feeding is going fine then great, whatever works for you, but for any mother who is 'suffering' through breast feeding, it's not worth it.

Fucken eh!

So much stress on the wife for the first baby - she just wasn't making enough milk - which would cause the bubs to cry, wife to stress, and less milk to be made.

as SOON as we switched to bottle, after about 2 months of trying, life got a massive load easier for everyone.

[StN]

Both of my kids were C-sections that were done privately (although the second ended up being done at the public hospital, but I still had to pay for the consultant). The first was breech, and the second was a 5 week early emergency - and I was away on business. (Little does she know, but I'll be paying for that for years... Guilt is a bastard!)

If I remember correctly, there is some leeway given to the second if the first is Ceasarian.

Oh - and breastfeeding is a complete pain if the wee person is in a pavlic harness.

I also wondered what I could do with a million empty formula cans - they look so useful (and cost soooo much - the kids only liked the malmine free stuff).

[chiquelet]

Originally Posted by ChaosWulf

I could be wrong here, but I was under the impression that if you just "wanted" a c-section, you had to go private. Everyone I know who has had an "elective c-section" has been because of health complications - from breech to low-lying placenta, etc. The term elective is therefore bloody misleading, considering that the alternative is long complicated births with a high probability of mother & baby dying.

Elective seems to mean "if we've diagnosed a problem before you go into labour" whereas the emergency means "you're in labour and a vag delivery could harm you or the baby so you get a c-section". "Elective" definitely is misleading. A woman from my antenatal had a breech baby, so she had an elective. For the second baby she opted for the c-section because it was on offer (due to her prior c-section) and she was terrified of labour. PUBLIC system. There need to be some serious changes made imo. A woman should not be able to elect a c-section in the public system when there's no medical reason.

[Juju]

All this talk about bad midwifery and such makes me glad that my partner's mother is a plunket manager and came from a highly respected perinatal care role in the UK.
It seems finding a decent midwife is just as stressful as the birth!

[ilk]

Originally Posted by Heyzoos

This thread is awesome.

On the fore/hind milk thing. Lactation experts (yes an actual title) in the UK are constantly preaching this. Proof is in the taste test. Very easy to prove its truthiness.

Dude, there are some things I don't want to know. You're a bad brother.

[Bandalador]

chiquelet;
The last thing I'm concerned with is whether or not you think I 'look like a tool' in an NZGames thread. I'm not posting to deride your posts for the sake of my status, I'm doing it because I think you're a hugely misguided woman who has very little to back up her views much less her insults directed at me.

I never said midwifery is a profession akin to witchcraft. I said it's a counterproductive relic of tradition filled with slacker, hippy earth mothers which would be better of abolished.

Where do you get your stats when you say "Most women have straight-forward, problem-free pregnancies and births." ?
How many of the people in NZ who opt for the midwife only option actually end up requiring assistance from an obstetrician?

And from your last post; In the example you posted there are clear medical reasons why a second cesarean is preferred over attempting natural vaginal birth, (increased risk of placental adhesion etc) which can become very serious, that's why this scenario is available in the PUBLIC system.

ChaosWulf:
If you want a cesarean for your first child just because you like the sound of it, or if you're scared of labor or any other personal, non medical reason then yeah, you need to go private. And yes the term 'elective' is very misleading.

[fixed_truth]

Originally Posted by Bandalador

Even if you're fully private and your LMC is not a midwife you are still visited at home by a midwife for 4-5 weeks post natal

Better stock up on stakes & silver bullets then. Unless you're lucky enough to get the head midwife!

Originally Posted by Bandalador

I wonder though, how many would chose an obstetrician if they were better funded in the public system

People probably would be more likely to choose them if they were subsidised. $5000 is a lot of money for most people to spend on something that most people do fine without (or get referred to for free if needed).

Originally Posted by Bandalador

and not thoroughly depicted as an unnecessary/unnatural evil by what is most peoples first contact in the maternity care system.... midwives.

Well obstetricians generally are more clinical, which can be good or bad depending on what type of care you're after. And again if you're a low risk pregnancy then whether they are unnecessary or not is ultimately a personal choice.

[A Corpse]

God all this makes me glad we've had two relatively "normal" births.

First was at Waikato hospital as a precaution (my wife's THS levels were abnormal) with a transfer to River Ridge birthing facility after, and the second entirely at River Ridge.

Breastfeeding was a bit tricky for the first (painful) but got easier, never had to give either child any supplemental feedings, and they grew like weeds. Midwife was excellent (just a normal free one) and the staff at Waikato and River Ridge were great, if a little rushed at the hospital.

Just in case anyone reading this thread worries that everyone has to have complications.

[Baal]

In the butt, no babies.

[CCS]

In the butt?

[Waldo]

Originally Posted by Juju

All this talk about bad midwifery and such makes me glad that my partner's mother is a plunket manager and came from a highly respected perinatal care role in the UK.
It seems finding a decent midwife is just as stressful as the birth!

OMG dont get me started on Plunket, quick Ab another thread please

[Bandalador]

fixed_truth:
They're not all $4,000+, I think the guys we went with are at the top of the heap as far as price goes but mostly due to the fact that their expertise and service is unmatched in NZ.
It costs you about half that in the 04.

Yes, clinical is one way to describe specialist care.
Depending on the type of care you're after... yeah..
I'll just describe a few of the main services we got for our $4.5k each time.
Round the clock access (for any reason) to one of the three most qualified and highly regarded specialists available in the country.
Consultations every 4 weeks to begin with, getting more frequent through the pregnancy until for the last few weeks you're seeing your specialist every week.
Ultrasound scan each visit, growth/anatomical/cardiac monitoring etc etc.
Urine test each visit.
Two (or three, can't remember) in-depth scans at insight radiology including 4D pictures/video and DVDs
The knowledge that you will instantly have the best possible care available should there be any possible reason to stray from 'the plan'.

We got so much more in depth care/service than just the above but without taking a long time to explain all of the details of our pregnancies it's too difficult to describe.
I was blown away by the level of care, attention and priority we were given and would happily pay double what we did for the same service.

[Lightspeed]

Originally Posted by Baal

In the butt, no babies.

Safety first.

[chiquelet]

Originally Posted by Bandalador

chiquelet;
Where do you get your stats when you say "Most women have straight-forward, problem-free pregnancies and births." ?
How many of the people in NZ who opt for the midwife only option actually end up requiring assistance from an obstetrician?

Somebody posted a link earlier which backs up my claims.