Matrix Reloaded * WITH SPOILERS* (you are warned) - Page 5

Rince · 18th May 2003, 14:44

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Originally posted by blur^
this is so much better when many people think about it, gotta love multiple cluster processing

yup. agreed - I'm just back from seeing it and I walked out thinking "yup, good action movie (& cool, I can now read the NZG threads)"....

Now I've read teh threads and gotta a few other perspectives, I neeeeed to see it again...

Damn you NZGames... Damn you to Hell for making me think!

Uncle Gus · 18th May 2003, 14:49

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Originally posted by Rince
Now I've read teh threads and gotta a few other perspectives, I neeeeed to see it again...

Definitely. It's a lot better the second time.

::Shocker · 18th May 2003, 15:06

Saw it last night. Thought it was absolutely incredible - now I'm all hyped-up for Revolutions :-)

MadMax · 18th May 2003, 16:09

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Originally posted by Spoon1
Huh?

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My biggest bugbear is that Tank is dead in Reloaded but he didn't die in the first one...

like mouse - they bring in a character that looks and acts just like him (that immature kid that keeps following neo around, and hands him the spoon).

MadMax · 18th May 2003, 16:13

anyone else think that mech that was behind the zion defence door moved way too mechanically? Like the spider in Krull or the (can't remember its name) machine to replace/kill robocop.

Jonan · 18th May 2003, 16:27

Ed 2 0 9. ? :/

Looks like the Dreadnaut in Space Crusade. ;D

Cyberbob · 18th May 2003, 16:32

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Originally posted by MadMax
anyone else think that mech that was behind the zion defence door moved way too mechanically? Like the spider in Krull or the (can't remember its name) machine to replace/kill robocop.

the first thing i thought of when i saw it, was the silly CGI that was used for that police robot in robocop 1

Reet · 18th May 2003, 16:57

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Originally posted by MadMax
anyone else think that mech that was behind the zion defence door moved way too mechanically?

... It's a mech.

MadMax · 18th May 2003, 17:02

sure, its a mech, but even they dont seem to move weird. Its almost as if it was recorded at a different frame rate to that of the movie. (thanks jonan, yes ed209). Cyberbob is onto it.

Russian · 18th May 2003, 17:06

When I saw that mech I was thinking "Wow, some vintage stop-motion". :E

MadMax · 18th May 2003, 17:17

ah so that's what they call it

Phantom · 18th May 2003, 17:50

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Originally posted by Cyberbob
the first thing i thought of when i saw it, was the silly CGI that was used for that police robot in robocop 1

CGI?

lol

no. it was not cgi. it was stop-motion animation. Computer technology was not at the point where CGI in movies was possible when robocop was made.

chiquelet · 18th May 2003, 17:55

I didn't understand the Matrix in the first place (I fell asleep during the first movie) so I basically went into this movie with the intention of watching it, enjoying it, but not trying to understand it.

What ruined it for me was the incredibly slow first third. Damn it just dragged and dragged until the trio met up with the dodgy French dude and his cool wife (she rocked, full thumbs up for that character).

And I agree with those who say the fight scenes were too long, esp the scene with the Smiths (after Neo meets the Oracle). Seriously, it gets a tad boring watching one guy fight dozens of the same person.

But all in all, an enjoyment. I did love the special effects, esp the freeway scenes.

Edit- damn, should this have gone into the spoiler thread?

Cyberbob · 18th May 2003, 18:14

thats what i meant :P
that weird thingie they used to use for special effects when they didnt have CGI :>

MadMax · 18th May 2003, 18:21

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Originally posted by Phantom
CGI? lol no. it was not cgi. it was stop-motion animation. Computer technology was not at the point where CGI in movies was possible when robocop was made.

i thought that some of the corridors in star wars were cgi

yem · 18th May 2003, 18:24

This review pretty much reflects my opinion on Reloaded. A few clever scenes but nothing as cohesive or memorable as the first. They seriously fucked up the mythology delivery IMHO.

MadMax · 18th May 2003, 18:44

sure the movie was flawed, but it is still the matrix

or maybe there is no matrix - and neo just wakes up

Phantom · 18th May 2003, 18:45

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Originally posted by MadMax
i thought that some of the corridors in star wars were cgi

Not a chance.

Phantom · 18th May 2003, 18:45

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Originally posted by Cyberbob
thats what i meant :P
that weird thingie they used to use for special effects when they didnt have CGI :>

teehehe

MadMax · 18th May 2003, 18:46

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Originally posted by Phantom
Not a chance.

anyone remember those old osborne computing books? one of them had a mention of star wars...

Blaz3y · 18th May 2003, 18:50

Okay the one thing that I'm confused about:

The smith has rebelled against the matrix as far as I can tell. Now, according to the KFC looking guy who invented the matrix, all the events that are happening have been planned and are meant to happen... including the destruction of Zion. BUT, smith(who was inside the guy who was inside Zion) obviously triggered the EMP which lead to the destruction of Zion. Now if smith really had rebelled against the Matrix, that event of him triggering the EMP wouldnt have been planned (or wouldnt have happened in the other 6 matrix versions) because smith wouldnt have entered that guys body therefore that guy wouldnt have triggered the EMP. But the EMP was what lead to Zions destruction so how does that work?

Okay this proabably dosnt make sense but it works in my head

Phantom · 18th May 2003, 19:33

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Originally posted by MadMax
anyone remember those old osborne computing books? one of them had a mention of star wars...

The only thing I know they used computers for in Star Wars was timing / controlling the cameras. They'd shoot a model, then the lights for that model, then the backdrop and then combine the components so you get a lit model zooming around on a background. To do this, they needed the exact path of the camera to be controlled by a computer so once they had the shot, it could be repeated as many times as necessary to get the various components of the final shot.

Phantom · 18th May 2003, 19:35

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Originally posted by Blaz3y
Okay this proabably dosnt make sense but it works in my head

Zion would have been destroyed with or without the EMP. The counter attack would not have worked.

leadinjector · 18th May 2003, 19:47

odd that people complain about the boring bits and in the same breath complain that the fights are too long. I like long fights, and the brawl was pretty fahkin incredible.

Lumpy · 18th May 2003, 19:53

So... Was Zion destroyed or just the ships and crew in the counterattack? It seemed a little vague to me in the movie. Maybe somebody can find the exact dialogue to clear it up.

Rince · 18th May 2003, 20:12

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Originally posted by chiquelet
I didn't understand the Matrix in the first place (I fell asleep during the first movie) so ....

.... the rest of your opinion means what exactly?

Rivertrog · 18th May 2003, 20:14

the whole movie was everything that I expected it to be and more.. definitely requires more than one viewing.. when neo was talking to the architect i was just going like huh whoa slow down dude.. too much information...

I laughed my ass off about the keymaster... hehehe "i am the gatekeeper, are you the keymaster?!" heehhehe only there were no giant mr stay pufts.. oh well

and trinity using nmap and some ssh exploit to hax0r the building hehehe classic!

Russian · 18th May 2003, 20:15

Just the ships.

Evoke · 18th May 2003, 20:54

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Originally posted by yem
This review pretty much reflects my opinion on Reloaded.

totally agree except i hated the "bumping uglies" scene, and still will go to see the revolutions.

chiquelet · 18th May 2003, 21:07

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Originally posted by Rince
.... the rest of your opinion means what exactly?

I watched the first movie on divx late one night for the first time..fell asleep, and woke up at the end having no idea what had just happened.

And I did mention that I went into Matrix Reloaded with the intention of just watching it and enjoying it, so from the pov of a laywoman, yeah, it did lag a lot in parts.

Psychonaut · 18th May 2003, 21:07

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Originally posted by Trigger

After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion.

The chancellors in Zion had a similar ratio. Next time I go i'll count

Matrix-within-matrix is what i'm putting my money on atm.

Rince · 18th May 2003, 21:18

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Originally posted by chiquelet
so from the pov of a laywoman, yeah, it did lag a lot in parts.

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Originally posted by Rince
.... the rest of your opinion means what exactly?

Bread · 18th May 2003, 21:24

I loved Reloaded, although I have to agree with chiqulete. IMO, the fight scene with Smith could have been shortened up a bit...despite the fact that it was pretty fucking awesome, I know quite a few people thought it was just a bit too long.

And I still can't quite figure out that rave, what the fuck was going on there? :P

Still, I'm seriously kicking myself for not seeing the Animatrix now. Hopefully I'll be going to Reloaded again in a week or so, then it's just a long wait until November

BTW - How did they get the Oracle in? I though the actress had passed away shortly before they started filming, but I guess not.

Snake · 18th May 2003, 22:49

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Originally posted by Bread
And I still can't quite figure out that rave, what the fuck was going on there? :P

<snip>

BTW - How did they get the Oracle in? I though the actress had passed away shortly before they started filming, but I guess not.

I think that just in case the machines won and Zion fell, the rave was their last celebration of life.

And the actress passed away before they started filming the third movie. I'm interested in seeing how that turns out.

Zag0r · 18th May 2003, 23:23

the plot etc rocks, but the movie did seriously drag in parts. the smith scene was meg, good bits + weak bits.

Snake · 18th May 2003, 23:24

I've just realised something which also makes sense...

'the kid' gave Neo a gift from an 'orphan' (obviously the 'buddha kid from the first movie) - the spoon.

Remember the buddha kid's message? "There is no spoon."

It was a message to Neo that the spoon in Zion is as much an illusion as the spoon in the Matrix!

MadMax · 18th May 2003, 23:45

i loved the way the smiths (in the 1001 smiths scene) were naturally so software-like. You could see them looking at neos flight path, then looking at where he was about to land and already running to that location.

mint.

and the tie fixing after realising they had lost... pure class.

Uncle Gus · 18th May 2003, 23:58

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Originally posted by chiquelet
I didn't understand the Matrix in the first place (I fell asleep during the first movie)

Yeah, I'm with Rince on this one, why are you even saying anything? Please don't take that personally, I'm not like smacking you down or anything, it's a genuine question. I don't understand why you'd even watch the second one at all if you hadn't understood the first one.

Like my friend the other day, we were sitting around talking about it and he was involved in the conversation, I can't remember what he was saying or anything, then he agreed with something someone else said, and then he's like "but I haven't seen either of them" and we were like "wtf? Why are you even here? You're banned. Get out." (words to that effect.)

Crazy.

Simon · 19th May 2003, 00:00

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Originally posted by chiquelet
Damn it just dragged and dragged until the trio met up with the dodgy French dude and his cool wife (she rocked, full thumbs up for that character).

Wow, what chiquelet loved about the movie was the French woman. Didn't see THAT coming.

Uncle Gus · 19th May 2003, 00:02

Hehehe, at a glance I read that as "full thumbs up that character." Hehehe.

18th May 2003, 17:55	#173
chiquelet Mrs Colin Farrell	I didn't understand the Matrix in the first place (I fell asleep during the first movie) so I basically went into this movie with the intention of watching it, enjoying it, but not trying to understand it. What ruined it for me was the incredibly slow first third. Damn it just dragged and dragged until the trio met up with the dodgy French dude and his cool wife (she rocked, full thumbs up for that character). And I agree with those who say the fight scenes were too long, esp the scene with the Smiths (after Neo meets the Oracle). Seriously, it gets a tad boring watching one guy fight dozens of the same person. But all in all, an enjoyment. I did love the special effects, esp the freeway scenes. Edit- damn, should this have gone into the spoiler thread? Last edited by chiquelet : 18th May 2003 at 17:56.

18th May 2003, 23:45	#197
MadMax Stuff	i loved the way the smiths (in the 1001 smiths scene) were naturally so software-like. You could see them looking at neos flight path, then looking at where he was about to land and already running to that location. mint. and the tie fixing after realising they had lost... pure class. Last edited by MadMax : 18th May 2003 at 23:46.

18th May 2003, 15:06	#163
::Shocker	Saw it last night. Thought it was absolutely incredible - now I'm all hyped-up for Revolutions :-)

18th May 2003, 16:13	#165
MadMax Stuff	anyone else think that mech that was behind the zion defence door moved way too mechanically? Like the spider in Krull or the (can't remember its name) machine to replace/kill robocop.

18th May 2003, 16:27	#166
Jonan	Ed 2 0 9. ? :/ Looks like the Dreadnaut in Space Crusade. ;D

18th May 2003, 17:02	#169
MadMax Stuff	sure, its a mech, but even they dont seem to move weird. Its almost as if it was recorded at a different frame rate to that of the movie. (thanks jonan, yes ed209). Cyberbob is onto it.

18th May 2003, 17:06	#170
Russian	When I saw that mech I was thinking "Wow, some vintage stop-motion". :E

18th May 2003, 17:17	#171
MadMax Stuff	ah so that's what they call it

18th May 2003, 18:14	#174
Cyberbob	thats what i meant :P that weird thingie they used to use for special effects when they didnt have CGI :>

18th May 2003, 18:24	#176
yem	This review pretty much reflects my opinion on Reloaded. A few clever scenes but nothing as cohesive or memorable as the first. They seriously fucked up the mythology delivery IMHO.

18th May 2003, 18:44	#177
MadMax Stuff	sure the movie was flawed, but it is still the matrix or maybe there is no matrix - and neo just wakes up

18th May 2003, 18:50	#181
Blaz3y	Okay the one thing that I'm confused about: The smith has rebelled against the matrix as far as I can tell. Now, according to the KFC looking guy who invented the matrix, all the events that are happening have been planned and are meant to happen... including the destruction of Zion. BUT, smith(who was inside the guy who was inside Zion) obviously triggered the EMP which lead to the destruction of Zion. Now if smith really had rebelled against the Matrix, that event of him triggering the EMP wouldnt have been planned (or wouldnt have happened in the other 6 matrix versions) because smith wouldnt have entered that guys body therefore that guy wouldnt have triggered the EMP. But the EMP was what lead to Zions destruction so how does that work? Okay this proabably dosnt make sense but it works in my head

18th May 2003, 19:47	#184
leadinjector	odd that people complain about the boring bits and in the same breath complain that the fights are too long. I like long fights, and the brawl was pretty fahkin incredible.

18th May 2003, 19:53	#185
Lumpy The Bicycle for Fish	So... Was Zion destroyed or just the ships and crew in the counterattack? It seemed a little vague to me in the movie. Maybe somebody can find the exact dialogue to clear it up.

18th May 2003, 20:14	#187
Rivertrog	the whole movie was everything that I expected it to be and more.. definitely requires more than one viewing.. when neo was talking to the architect i was just going like huh whoa slow down dude.. too much information... I laughed my ass off about the keymaster... hehehe "i am the gatekeeper, are you the keymaster?!" heehhehe only there were no giant mr stay pufts.. oh well and trinity using nmap and some ssh exploit to hax0r the building hehehe classic!

18th May 2003, 21:24	#193
Bread	I loved Reloaded, although I have to agree with chiqulete. IMO, the fight scene with Smith could have been shortened up a bit...despite the fact that it was pretty fucking awesome, I know quite a few people thought it was just a bit too long. And I still can't quite figure out that rave, what the fuck was going on there? :P Still, I'm seriously kicking myself for not seeing the Animatrix now. Hopefully I'll be going to Reloaded again in a week or so, then it's just a long wait until November BTW - How did they get the Oracle in? I though the actress had passed away shortly before they started filming, but I guess not.

18th May 2003, 23:23	#195
Zag0r C₈H₁₀N₄O₂	the plot etc rocks, but the movie did seriously drag in parts. the smith scene was meg, good bits + weak bits.

18th May 2003, 23:24	#196
Snake	I've just realised something which also makes sense... 'the kid' gave Neo a gift from an 'orphan' (obviously the 'buddha kid from the first movie) - the spoon. Remember the buddha kid's message? "There is no spoon." It was a message to Neo that the spoon in Zion is as much an illusion as the spoon in the Matrix!

19th May 2003, 00:02	#200
Uncle Gus	Hehehe, at a glance I read that as "full thumbs up that character." Hehehe.