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Old 1st May 2012, 08:06     #1201
StN
I have detailed files
 
Hmmm - how is all of this linked..?

Naughty trikers

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Isn't that the cute violinist at 1:00?? When did she come to NZ?

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Oh - Kim Dotcom!

So how come Stuff didn't pick up on that angle?

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Old 1st May 2012, 23:31     #1202
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Thumbs up

https://www.ipredict.co.nz/app.php?do=browse&cat=757

by-election looking good.
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Old 3rd May 2012, 19:37     #1203
chubby
 
love this one too..

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/politi...nation-comment

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"I have every confidence that John has run by the letter of the law. He has said on numerous occasions he has nothing to fear and nothing to hide and I believe that completely."
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Old 3rd May 2012, 20:40     #1204
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meh, apparently Banks hasn't done anything illegal. Ethically though the guy is a fucken dog.
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Old 3rd May 2012, 21:01     #1205
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^Yep & remember when Winston denied knowing about the Owen Glen donation?
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Helen Clark must stand Mr Peters down as a Minister. That is what I would do if I were Prime Minister.
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Old 3rd May 2012, 21:15     #1206
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Yeah but it's not as if the things Banks is alleged to have done were done as a minister or even as an MP. He was a private citizen during the entire time this was going on. So it's not comparable with Winston's corruption during the Labour govt.
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Old 3rd May 2012, 22:54     #1207
fixed_truth
 
It's not the exact same scenario but I think that it's comparable. Particularly regarding ethical standards ie otoh Peters was within the law also. Or does Key not have the authority to act on Mps private citizen conduct? Or a least get some straight answers so it doesn't look like Banks' refusing to answer etc seem like him lying as an MP.

Again I thing Keith Ng delivers the point well:
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If a member of Parliament and a Honourable Minister of the Crown conspired to mislead the electoral monitoring body and circumvent electoral law, in order to hide the source of a donation from the public, legality is not the issue. John Key isn't deciding whether to throw him in jail, but whether he wants this guy as a minister. Is the bar really set so low that deliberately misleading election officials and the public, and explicitly disregarding the spirit of the law is fine, as long as it's not technically illegal?
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Old 4th May 2012, 00:05     #1208
Ab
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Agreed. But I don't think it's comparable with Winston's corruption. They're not the same.
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Old 4th May 2012, 07:29     #1209
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Hey Ab - have you seen this bit of investigative journalism?

It has the LOLs!
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Old 4th May 2012, 08:04     #1210
fixed_truth
 
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Agreed. But I don't think it's comparable with Winston's corruption. They're not the same.
Yep the difference in context is significant.

Is it comparable with Garrett?
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Old 4th May 2012, 11:32     #1211
Ab
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Hey Ab - have you seen this bit of investigative journalism?

It has the LOLs!
Requires flash, so no
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Old 4th May 2012, 11:34     #1212
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Talking LOL LABOUR

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...er-Fund-u-turn

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Labour is scrapping its plans to resume contributions to the Super Fund, saying New Zealanders told the party they were uncomfortable with borrowing to invest and it now understands the need to be thrifty.

Leader David Shearer this morning told the Wellington Employers' Chamber of Commerce Labour had listened.

"We've decided that until we are back in surplus, any new spending will have to be paid for out of existing Budget provisions, new revenue, or by re-prioritising."
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Old 4th May 2012, 13:03     #1213
Ab
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Dear John Key, cut this fucking shit out.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...er-boat-people

NZ's policy on refugees is one of the things that I gloatingly lord over Australians. This is not a thing you want to change to be more like Australia.
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Old 4th May 2012, 13:08     #1214
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So I just corrected a couple of people who didn't understand how a progressive income tax works and were labouring under the classic "if you get a payrise from $48,000 to $48,001 your net income goes down" misconception

Which would be unremarkable except for the fact that both of them are extremely intelligent, educated people who are quite active in politics and at least one of them admitted the misunderstanding was a factor in her decision to leave the country forever a couple years ago

That scares the shit out of me
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Old 4th May 2012, 13:19     #1215
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Mind-numbingly dumb student allowance reforms

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10803426

If they want to save money, instead of hard cap on student allowances based on number of years, why not (for example) deny it to people with low GPA? Denying allowances to good students wanting to do post-graduate studies, the very people you want to encourage to stay, just seems mind-numbingly dumb.
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Old 4th May 2012, 14:22     #1216
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Agreed, I agree with limiting access to it somehow. Not sure a 4 year hard cap is the right way to do it.

What happens if you're doing a 4 year degree and fail one paper and have to repeat it pushing it out to a 5 year degree?

Maybe 4 years for all, Additional available to those on long degrees leading to professions we require (Doctors etc) or those with good GPAs that want to do post-grad study.

Though I guess a 4 year cap encourages you not to stuff round.
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Old 4th May 2012, 15:27     #1217
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What happens if you're doing a 4 year degree and fail one paper and have to repeat it pushing it out to a 5 year degree?
I'm somewhat less sympathetic to that scenario. I don't think it's right for the govt to keep supporting a deadbeat student for as long as they keep failing.
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Old 4th May 2012, 15:40     #1218
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The students & loans is so lol.

wah waaah waaah we don't earn enough to repay an additional 2 cents in the dollar.

Min Wage: $13.50
40 Hours: $540.00
52 Weeks: $28,080.00
Less $19,100 = $8980

Current Repayment per week: $17.26 ($898 per annum)
Repayment @ 12c, per week: $20.72 ($1077.60 per annum)
Difference: $3.45 less than 50c a day ($179.60)

FFS harden up.
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Old 4th May 2012, 16:26     #1219
fixed_truth
 
Stephen King: Tax Me, for F@%&’s Sake!

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-f-s-sake.html

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I’ve known rich people, and why not, since I’m one of them? The majority would rather douse their dicks with lighter fluid, strike a match, and dance around singing “Disco Inferno” than pay one more cent in taxes to Uncle Sugar.

What charitable 1 percenters can’t do is assume responsibility—America’s national responsibilities: the care of its sick and its poor, the education of its young, the repair of its failing infrastructure, the repayment of its staggering war debts. Charity from the rich can’t fix global warming or lower the price of gasoline by one single red penny. That kind of salvation does not come from Mark Zuckerberg or Steve Ballmer saying, “OK, I’ll write a $2 million bonus check to the IRS.” That annoying responsibility stuff comes from three words that are anathema to the Tea Partiers: United American citizenry.
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Old 4th May 2012, 23:05     #1220
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A lone pro-National protester, carrying a sign which read "John Key is the best Prime Minister we have ever had", was moved to the fringe of the protest by police "for his own safety".
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10803548
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Old 5th May 2012, 09:41     #1221
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Perhaps education needs to be cheaper?

I quite like what I am seeing with things like iTunes U, and it strikes me that for very many types of courses that those that innately have the right skills to succeed at higher learning really don't need to turn up at an institution very often. There are courses where experience and specialist practical content are an overwhelming component of the course but these are not the norm.

Perhaps a change is needed that in situations where pure knowledge transfer is occurring that this be done at home through canned Internet delivered material that can be reused over several or even many years? Universities then need far fewer staff, far less land, far simpler buildings, and so on. Students could also fit their studies around work commitments. It could be that NZ needs far fewer universities - after all calculus is the same world over and perhaps other institutions are better at presenting the material and delivering it at low cost. This is in fact the way the world is already heading and so it's going to get scary out there for many institutions that currently rely upon being the only choice a student can make. This in turn will generate a lot of noise from unions - all of these folk who really do little work for a living already are hardly likely to willingly accept that they're not needed for anything anymore and thus will no longer be paid.

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Old 7th May 2012, 14:30     #1222
fixed_truth
 
Sooo Kim Dotcom does a rap about John Banks. Oh and he gets Black Eyed Peas producer Printz Board to help him.

Kim Dotcom - John Banks Song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CvRSZxqk_I

hahahahaha
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Old 7th May 2012, 23:52     #1223
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No wonder Dunne doesn't need hair product, all the smug he oozes seems to do a sterling job. Seriously, how does that prick keep getting elected?
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Old 9th May 2012, 08:41     #1224
chubby
 
http://www.greens.org.nz/press-relea...tional-s-plans

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The Chairman of Solid Energy, John Palmer, earlier publicly confirmed that the proposed legislation would allow him to sell the coal miner's subsidiaries after partial privatisation.

"There would be enormous pressure from some private investors to generate quick returns by selling these subsidiaries. The directors of the privatised SOEs would be legally obliged to act in the best interests of the company and the best interests of the minority shareholders, even if the Crown retains majority ownership," said Dr Norman.
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Old 14th May 2012, 08:39     #1225
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-star-t...-backs-off-hub

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John Key's plan for a financial services hub in New Zealand would require years of taxpayer support and risks transferring wealth offshore, Treasury has warned the Government.

The Government's lead economic and financial policy agency advised that plans to pay international banks to move here represent "a wealth transfer from New Zealand taxpayers to overseas financial institutions".
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Old 20th May 2012, 18:09     #1226
fixed_truth
 
Holy crap

Act backer: We all dislike Maori

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Asked if his political views could be labelled racist, he said: "I don't give a stuff what I'm called. You have to look at the facts and figures. This is the problem with New Zealanders. Most of them dislike the Maoris intensely - I won't say hate - but they don't like to say so."
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Old 20th May 2012, 19:09     #1227
Ab
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Thank christ I've never voted ACT
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Old 20th May 2012, 19:56     #1228
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Thank christ I've never voted ACT
Wait, what?
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Old 20th May 2012, 21:51     #1229
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Old 21st May 2012, 10:37     #1230
aR Que
 
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the Maoris, the way they are full of crime and welfare.
FULL OF THE CRIMES!


Next fight for life should have Act MPs vs Moari MPs.
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Old 21st May 2012, 12:21     #1231
cyc
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Old 21st May 2012, 12:47     #1232
aR Que
 
facepalm

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Old 21st May 2012, 17:42     #1233
Ab
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Ahhh, Shane Jones, the gift that keeps on giving.
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Old 21st May 2012, 20:34     #1234
Ab
A mariachi ogre snorkel
 
...and giving

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com.au/...rom-hades.html
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Old 23rd May 2012, 18:01     #1235
fixed_truth
 
Shearer stands Shane Jones down

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Labour Party leader David Shearer has asked the Auditor General to investigate Shane Jones' handling of the citizenship application of Chinese businessman William Yan in 2008 and stood him down while the inquiry takes place.
Nicely played Sir.
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Old 23rd May 2012, 18:04     #1236
Ab
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Seriously though, WTF? This is retarded timing from Shearer.
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Old 23rd May 2012, 18:05     #1237
CCS
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Pfft, Jones is never coming back from this.
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Old 23rd May 2012, 18:36     #1238
Ab
A mariachi ogre snorkel
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fixed_truth
Note the standard Labour tactic of holding an investigation into something other than the problem.

Shearer: "I’ve asked for the Auditor-General to look into all the departmental as well as ministerial processes involved in this case."

Oh great, the A-G gets to look at the processes by which the citizenship was granted, not the decision to grant the citizenship itself. Is bribery part of a departmental or ministerial process? Nope, well we won't investigate that then.

(see: "Philip Field")
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Old 23rd May 2012, 18:59     #1239
fixed_truth
 
Yep. And meanwhile the voting public wonder why Key isn't standing down Banks.
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Old 23rd May 2012, 19:07     #1240
CCS
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Because... why? Banks wasn't an MP. It happened before he was in parliament. If he got stood down, Labour is going to start finding MPs who got speeding tickets before they were MPs and demand they be stood down.
What is it that Banks has actually done wrong? Declared donations under $25,000 as anonymous because they... they were under $25,000 and you are allowed to declare them as anonymous?
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