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Old 21st January 2021, 14:52     #1041
Nich
 
Best at staying out of regime change wars?

Worst at public and private decorum
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Old 22nd January 2021, 06:43     #1042
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It's amazing to see what Trump had to say

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump
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Old 22nd January 2021, 21:16     #1043
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I can't help but think that our QAnon friends must by fuming at the Bernie memes going around. Then again, they probably see a whole different set of memes anyhow.
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Old 22nd January 2021, 21:23     #1044
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FWIW I reckon the Lisa Simpson / Kamala Harris meme wins the internet today. and she so knows she's going to become president!
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Old 23rd January 2021, 04:23     #1045
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12 Trump achievements/activities that Trump supporters like. And two they should agree are bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M6CXhUS-x8
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Old 23rd January 2021, 11:28     #1046
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I'll say this for Trump - he got Chinese trade relations right. Probably by accident, in a "broken watch is correct twice a day" way.

Everything else: abject failure
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Old 14th February 2021, 10:08     #1047
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Senate Votes to Acquit Former President Donald Trump in Impeachment Trial

Man, if i ever commit a crime that goes to court, I hope I get a jury made up of the people that helped me do it.

Mitch McConnell Delayed Trump’s Impeachment Trial. Now He Says the Delay Makes it Unconstitutional.
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Mitch McConnell refused to hold an impeachment trial while Donald Trump was in office. And on Saturday morning, he told his colleagues he would acquit Trump because the trial is unconstitutional since Trump is no longer in office.
Ted Cruz, a juror in Trump's impeachment trial, said he advised Trump's lawyers and told them they'd 'already won' their case
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Old 14th February 2021, 15:33     #1048
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Ugh. And people wonder why the USA (as a country) is so reviled.
Some of the people I've met from there are absolutely amazing, but when their political, social and economic systems are so blatantly fucked up... yeah.
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Old 14th February 2021, 16:53     #1049
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I only liked the USA under Trump. With Biden back in charge, they can eat a dick.

Celebrate diversity, stop being political belief Nazis.
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Old 14th February 2021, 17:19     #1050
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Laugh

Nancy Pelosi making history by being the first Speaker of the House to impeach a president twice and fail both times.
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Old 14th February 2021, 18:55     #1051
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o_O

What's the humour?
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Old 14th February 2021, 18:56     #1052
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facepalm

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Celebrate diversity, stop being political belief Nazis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
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Old 14th February 2021, 20:06     #1053
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So you're accepting that you are intolerant of people who have different worldviews to you, because you are convinced that you are morally superior and so you subscribe to cancel culture?

I may be in the minority, but that doesn't make me wrong.
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Old 14th February 2021, 20:25     #1054
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There are different world views, then there are harmful, self-defeating world views ultimately doomed to fail. World views the world would not survive being dragged into.
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Old 15th February 2021, 09:09     #1055
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Nancy Pelosi making history by being the first Speaker of the House to impeach a president twice and fail both times.
Both impeachments happened. There was no failure. The Senate failed to convict, but that's not failing to impeach.

Three United States presidents have been impeached, although none were convicted, which IMO needs a change. I think a majority of the people would agree.
The bar for conviction is set too high. 57 "guilty", 43 "not guilty", and even that wasn't enough.


In your view, what is worthy of a successful conviction? What could he have done wrong, and been held responsible for?
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Old 15th February 2021, 09:39     #1056
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Celebrate diversity, stop being political belief Nazis.
I enjoy this line.

I agree with you, absolutely. Diversity should be celebrated. Political beliefs shouldn't be tribalized to the point where you wish harm for anyone other than those that share your beliefs.

What I don't understand is the dire lack of self awareness, that limits some peoples ability to see that Trump stood for none of those things.

He actively fought against diversity, he ordered diversity training to stop. He was proud of his Muslim ban, and his plan for a wall to keep our the Mexicans. Most Presidents see themselves as a President of the people. Trump was a President for those that voted for him. His political rivals were "treasonous." It was 'us' vs 'them'. He was incredibly vocal about the fact that either you voted for him, or you're dead to him.
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Old 15th February 2021, 13:34     #1057
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bleh, words. Time will tell if the left can get their shit together. I suspect it won't.
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Old 15th February 2021, 14:25     #1058
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Do the left participate in politics in the US?
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Old 15th February 2021, 17:49     #1059
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Nah mate, they are a band.
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Old 15th February 2021, 18:46     #1060
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Ah, and you heard about them in a podcast. Gotcha.
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Old 15th February 2021, 19:31     #1061
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Yeah, you got it in one. My opinion is null because i heard a thing in a podcast one time.
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Old 15th February 2021, 19:38     #1062
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bleh, words.
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Old 15th February 2021, 22:49     #1063
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Both impeachments happened. There was no failure. The Senate failed to convict, but that's not failing to impeach.

Three United States presidents have been impeached, although none were convicted, which IMO needs a change. I think a majority of the people would agree.
The bar for conviction is set too high. 57 "guilty", 43 "not guilty", and even that wasn't enough.

In your view, what is worthy of a successful conviction? What could he have done wrong, and been held responsible for?
The issue they would need to be careful of is that convictions become party lines. Otherwise any side that wins a house and Senate majority can go and try and make up some lame excuse for impeachment.

Obviously the flip is is that presidents will hardly ever be convicted because of those political divides.
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Old 15th February 2021, 23:12     #1064
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Do the left participate in politics in the US?
The mental model of Left and Right in politics is obsolete. It doesn't work any more.
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Old 16th February 2021, 13:41     #1065
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There are different world views, then there are harmful, self-defeating world views ultimately doomed to fail. World views the world would not survive being dragged into.
The thing is we face numerous very real existential threats, that could end humanity. We need competent institutions able to mitigate these risks, and they need to be protected from people with loud voices who threaten them with baseless accusations. Which doesn't mean you can't keep such institutions accountable. But you do so a coherent, substantive manner.
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Old 16th February 2021, 16:50     #1066
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The mental model of Left and Right in politics is obsolete. It doesn't work any more.
Dare I go so far as to actually describe them as harmful? However not going away anytime soon as it's a short-hand that way too many people use.
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Old 17th February 2021, 00:45     #1067
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The Left is the end of the political spectrum that holds dear principles of looking forward, of progress, of radical change in pursuit of ideals, while the Right is about looking backward to the past for lessons, about restraint, about rejecting change for change's sake, about strong institutions acting as brakes on the emotions of the mob. Now in the USA we have a situation where the administration is both ends of the spectrum. The US has a progressive government trying to rebuild traditional institutions. No-one knows what the fuck is going to happen.
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Old 18th February 2021, 15:49     #1068
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This, from someone who failed to get elected to a 2nd presidential term, said to a senator that is on is 7th term & has been in the senate since 1984.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/02...nnell-and-gop/
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Old 26th February 2021, 17:33     #1069
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Now that clumsy Orange Man is out of the way, airstrikes in Syria have resumed.

What a breath of fresh hair. I mean air.
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Old 20th May 2021, 13:04     #1070
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Old 3rd June 2021, 16:50     #1071
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At this point it looks the Republicans are going to run Trump again in 2024. Maybe they're just covering their own arses, but it really looks like the party works for Trump.
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Old 3rd June 2021, 22:33     #1072
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He'll be dead before 2024.
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Old 5th June 2021, 08:46     #1073
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...445_story.html

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Old 6th June 2021, 17:48     #1074
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https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...ech-gop-492000

Let it go, Donny. Let it go.
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Old 7th June 2021, 03:18     #1075
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One of the more dangerous possibilities I've seen thought up is Trump joining the Senate. I've not seen anything to confirm, but <shrug>
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Old 7th June 2021, 07:56     #1076
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He wouldn't, he would consider a job like that "below" him and unworthy of his time.
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Old 21st July 2021, 13:14     #1077
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Tom Barrack charged with illegally lobbying then-President Trump on behalf of UAE

Things are starting to get interesting...
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Old 5th October 2021, 18:27     #1078
Nich
 
So Russia-gate was a complete fabrication courtesy of Hillary (of course). If this becomes common knowledge, how will the news organisations that perpetrated this hoax ever recover their audience's trust?
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Old 5th October 2021, 18:46     #1079
blynk
 
Haha. That's funny.

America has 2 sides.
One side can say anything and the sheep will believe it 100% while the opposite side with disagree with it 100%

Could be real, could be lies. It won't matter
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Old 5th October 2021, 18:57     #1080
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Not the otherside, the DOJ.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the...y-clintons-b42
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