nCoV 2019 - Page 45

blynk · 8th October 2021, 17:36

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Originally Posted by StN

^^ Check out John Titor here with his messages from the future!!

(Vacc day is the 16th right?)

Sweet, that means I can wait another week before I get dosed up

DrTiTus · 8th October 2021, 21:27

Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States

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At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days (Fig. 1). In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people.

This is going to be hilarious. Can't wait to see what happens.

Lightspeed · 8th October 2021, 21:42

Which would be the hilarious part?

Ab · 8th October 2021, 22:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrTiTus

Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States

This is going to be hilarious. Can't wait to see what happens.

Summary: the unvaccinated people die, the vaxed don’t

Lightspeed · 8th October 2021, 23:29

I suppose that might be what it says. Being a layperson when it comes to epidemiology, I don't really put myself in a position to be able to interpret primary source material. The words all make sense to me, but specialist fields tend to put different weight and meaning on common words, something you can only really pick up through study.

That's the kind of source I'd expect in an article written by someone trying to offer a robust perspective in their field of expertise. I'd be relying on their peers to call them out if the sources are used improperly, rather than judging for myself.

I wonder how the article was come across...

Giblets · 9th October 2021, 00:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrTiTus

Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States

This is going to be hilarious. Can't wait to see what happens.

Does that account for the relaxing of restrictions in the countries with a high level of vaccination?

I was a close contact of a colleague the week before he tested positive, had I not been vaccinated I would have had to self isolate (in Germany). To a certain extent that doesn't make sense but the way I see it you're part of the group that's taken steps to live in a world where we can live without lockdowns and restrictions or you're not.

One of the poor buggers at work was previously infected, then got fully vaccinated, and now got infected again. Sometimes you're just unlucky. Then again he did get three weeks off work.

fixed_truth · 9th October 2021, 08:09

Act's David Seymour says employers should be able to require vaccination of workers without being sued
Let's do it. Under heath & safety employers should be obligated to take reasonable steps to protect their employees against covid 19.

MadMax · 9th October 2021, 09:54

If that northlander was a prossy… just wow.

LFC · 9th October 2021, 10:52

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Originally Posted by MadMax

If that northlander was a prossy… just wow.

Yeah rumour seems pretty strong thats the case, two prossys and not found the other one yet.

LFC · 9th October 2021, 11:02

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Originally Posted by LFC

Yeah rumour seems pretty strong thats the case, two prossys and not found the other one yet.

Confirmed by Winston Peters, prossy hanging out with our old mate Harry Tam.

blynk · 9th October 2021, 11:37

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Originally Posted by LFC

Confirmed by Winston Peters, prossy hanging out with our old mate Harry Tam.

How did Peters find out about it

Better get him tested.

blynk · 9th October 2021, 11:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrTiTus

Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States

This is going to be hilarious. Can't wait to see what happens.

*Being that you did actually make clear your point here, but basing it off prior comments. The assumption is that vaccines are not helping*

From a quick scan of the link, and as Giblet mentioned. This will be due to the loosing of restrictions.
And what that is likely to mean is that the unvaccinated are less restricted as well, and what that means is that the virus is more likely to spread among the unvaccinated.
Again, after a quick scan of the text, I didn't see them make any comparison between those that are vaccinated get the virus, and those unvaccinated.
Or a comparison of those that were vaccinated and did get the virus, what was the relative severity and R rate of those patients.

Try again DrTitus

Ab · 9th October 2021, 14:51

You have to read between the lines when you see a headline. It's like when you look at a graph or a chart; the shape and the size of the data area are meaningless unless you know what the axes represent, what the scale is, what's being counted, is the publisher trying to get you to feel an emotion.

A few weeks ago I saw a headline like "Majority of Israel's COVID cases are among the vaccinated" and my dumb brain went wtf that would be a disaster for a few seconds... until my slower skeptical brain caught up and went hold on, what does that even mean?

A bit more digging and it turned out that Israel has one of the highest vaccination rates in the world, which means of course its COVID cases are predominantly among the vaccinated, because that's practically everyone in Israel. Its DEATHS from COVID are almost entirely among the small slice of the population that is unvaccinated. But the headline didn't say that, because it wanted my dumb brain to be freaked out and afraid that vaccination was failing. Mission accomplished.

Redneck · 9th October 2021, 15:08

Co-author from DrTiTus' link - "Akhil Kumar, Turner Fenton Secondary School"

lol

StN · 9th October 2021, 18:23

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Originally Posted by LFC

Confirmed by Winston Peters, prossy hanging out with our old mate Harry Tam.

I believe the term is "Rootbag".

The Edge · 9th October 2021, 18:41

Whaleoil gets (rightly) owned for being the dirtbag he is, after colluding with Judith Collins to try and stir up crap
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/polit...on-slater.html

Lightspeed · 10th October 2021, 14:33

Hahaha, that was definitely good times. Fucking troll cunt.

crocos · 10th October 2021, 15:02

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Originally Posted by Native

Thanks for the comments. I admit that my views are based on what I read/see in the media and a few slices from the Auckland DHB where my family works.

[...]

I still think that my point remains though that our overall planning in the last 12-18 months has big gaps. NZ is/was a very desirable place to live and we couldn't facilitate better recruitment, immigration paths, and general prep work. They had a clear case/opportunity for change - and I feel they squandered it.

Totally welcome

Yes the planning has totally been insufficient, and I wasn't trying to say otherwise - merely that it's more complex then the surface read might suggest.

Also more fun with getting medical people into NZ: MI-fucking-Q (meanwhile we can get actors, sports teams and business people in and out...)

Native · 10th October 2021, 15:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by crocos

Totally welcome

Yes the planning has totally been insufficient, and I wasn't trying to say otherwise - merely that it's more complex then the surface read might suggest.

Also more fun with getting medical people into NZ: MI-fucking-Q (meanwhile we can get actors, sports teams and business people in and out...)

Agreed, and thanks for helping me learn some things and read more widely.

MadMax · 11th October 2021, 11:47

Quick dirty google for what ab was mentioning before gave this two month old article: https://amp.theguardian.com/australi...-learn-from-it

“ In Israel, 60% of hospitalised cases are vaccinated. This is something called the “paradox of vaccination” – in highly vaccinated populations, most cases will be in the vaccinated because no vaccine is 100% protective.”

blynk · 11th October 2021, 12:33

Working in the data & analytics space, I always say* you tell me what you want to see, and I will make the data back that up

*jokingly of course.

Ab · 11th October 2021, 12:58

Kids had first Pfizer in the weekend. I'll keep an eye on their bandwidth.

Cyberbob · 11th October 2021, 13:39

Had my second shot today.

It might not be the perfect analogy but you don't hear people claiming 'my body my choice' when it comes to drunk driving. It doesn't make sense in this context. Just like how there's government rules on drunk driving, it's not just about me. It's about my friends & family, those I come into contact with, and their friends & family.

Sometimes it just makes sense to do your part for the greater good.

If you can, please do.

Lightspeed · 11th October 2021, 13:45

"It's my choice" is just another way of saying "I'm contrarian".

crocos · 11th October 2021, 14:03

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Originally Posted by Lightspeed

"It's my choice" is just another way of saying "I'm channeling Dennis Leary".

fixed_truth · 11th October 2021, 19:15

ACT calling for suburbs with 90 per cent vaccination rate to be let out of lockdown
I don't know how the hell this is supposed work.

Ab · 11th October 2021, 20:17

It's like when you to go a public swimming pool, if 90% of the people agree to not piss in the water then it's obviously OK.

smudge · 11th October 2021, 21:29

Queue outside the hairdresser has benn ~10 long all day...

_indigo1 · 11th October 2021, 22:51

Man, no physio for nearly 2 months is killing me.
How the fuck did this one slip through the cracks of essential; there's gotta be so many people suffering.
But hey, ACC is saving a penny.

blynk · 12th October 2021, 10:10

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Originally Posted by _indigo1

Man, no physio for nearly 2 months is killing me.
How the fuck did this one slip through the cracks of essential; there's gotta be so many people suffering.
But hey, ACC is saving a penny.

Yep, wife has a lot of pain as well because she cant get to physio.
Apparantly (i have not confirmed this), that for extreme cases they can.

Or just ask to go to there house and they can check you on the front lawn.

Ab · 12th October 2021, 12:23

The Atlantic: Masks are changing how kids interact

https://www.theatlantic.com/family/a...tm_source=feed

Nich · 12th October 2021, 20:02

Daddy Kermit interviews John Anderson
regarding government & media response to COVID
https://youtu.be/NoRFaiqiQGo

fixed_truth · 13th October 2021, 13:58

Tl:dw summary? 5 mins in & they're still jerking each other off

Lightspeed · 13th October 2021, 15:30

Here's an excellent breakdown of the awful media coverage we've seen in NZ during the pandemic:

https://badnewsletter.substack.com/p...fth-columnists

Does a good job of laying out where DrTitus is getting their talking points from.

MadMax · 13th October 2021, 17:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

The Atlantic: Masks are changing how kids interact

https://www.theatlantic.com/family/a...tm_source=feed

Thankfully NZ’s kids don’t have to wear face masks.

I do find myself exaggerating my smile under my mask to try and make my eyes show some expression

Cyberbob · 14th October 2021, 09:42

Can't remember if I've mentioned it on here before, but the deaf community is having a hell of a time with masks, given how much they rely on lip reading to communicate with those that don't know sign.

MadMax · 14th October 2021, 11:03

Worth mentioning again if you did.

Covid has brought forward online shopping. Next, as indicated in todays press conference, it will bring forward online medical care. That is the plan in responce to the inevitable drain on hospitals. https://www.health.gov.au/resources/.../covidsafe-app

Ab · 14th October 2021, 11:43

#leadership

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-...4V6HQFCBDE7QI/

StN · 14th October 2021, 12:01

SLUTS!!!

crocos · 14th October 2021, 12:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

#leadership

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-...4V6HQFCBDE7QI/

What the actual fuck.

9th October 2021, 09:54	#1768
MadMax Stuff	If that northlander was a prossy… just wow. __________________ My degree of sarcasm depends on your degree of stupidity.

11th October 2021, 11:47	#1780
MadMax Stuff	Quick dirty google for what ab was mentioning before gave this two month old article: https://amp.theguardian.com/australi...-learn-from-it “ In Israel, 60% of hospitalised cases are vaccinated. This is something called the “paradox of vaccination” – in highly vaccinated populations, most cases will be in the vaccinated because no vaccine is 100% protective.” __________________ My degree of sarcasm depends on your degree of stupidity.

14th October 2021, 11:03	#1797
MadMax Stuff	Worth mentioning again if you did. Covid has brought forward online shopping. Next, as indicated in todays press conference, it will bring forward online medical care. That is the plan in responce to the inevitable drain on hospitals. https://www.health.gov.au/resources/.../covidsafe-app __________________ My degree of sarcasm depends on your degree of stupidity. Last edited by MadMax : 14th October 2021 at 11:05.

14th October 2021, 12:01	#1799
StN I have detailed files	SLUTS!!! Last edited by StN : 14th October 2021 at 12:03.

8th October 2021, 21:42	#1763
Lightspeed	Which would be the hilarious part? __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

8th October 2021, 23:29	#1765
Lightspeed	I suppose that might be what it says. Being a layperson when it comes to epidemiology, I don't really put myself in a position to be able to interpret primary source material. The words all make sense to me, but specialist fields tend to put different weight and meaning on common words, something you can only really pick up through study. That's the kind of source I'd expect in an article written by someone trying to offer a robust perspective in their field of expertise. I'd be relying on their peers to call them out if the sources are used improperly, rather than judging for myself. I wonder how the article was come across... __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

9th October 2021, 08:09	#1767
fixed_truth	Act's David Seymour says employers should be able to require vaccination of workers without being sued Let's do it. Under heath & safety employers should be obligated to take reasonable steps to protect their employees against covid 19. __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.

9th October 2021, 14:51	#1773
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	You have to read between the lines when you see a headline. It's like when you look at a graph or a chart; the shape and the size of the data area are meaningless unless you know what the axes represent, what the scale is, what's being counted, is the publisher trying to get you to feel an emotion. A few weeks ago I saw a headline like "Majority of Israel's COVID cases are among the vaccinated" and my dumb brain went wtf that would be a disaster for a few seconds... until my slower skeptical brain caught up and went hold on, what does that even mean? A bit more digging and it turned out that Israel has one of the highest vaccination rates in the world, which means of course its COVID cases are predominantly among the vaccinated, because that's practically everyone in Israel. Its DEATHS from COVID are almost entirely among the small slice of the population that is unvaccinated. But the headline didn't say that, because it wanted my dumb brain to be freaked out and afraid that vaccination was failing. Mission accomplished.

9th October 2021, 15:08	#1774
Redneck	Co-author from DrTiTus' link - "Akhil Kumar, Turner Fenton Secondary School" lol

9th October 2021, 18:41	#1776
The Edge	Whaleoil gets (rightly) owned for being the dirtbag he is, after colluding with Judith Collins to try and stir up crap https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/polit...on-slater.html

10th October 2021, 14:33	#1777
Lightspeed	Hahaha, that was definitely good times. Fucking troll cunt. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

11th October 2021, 12:33	#1781
blynk	Working in the data & analytics space, I always say* you tell me what you want to see, and I will make the data back that up *jokingly of course.

11th October 2021, 12:58	#1782
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	Kids had first Pfizer in the weekend. I'll keep an eye on their bandwidth.

11th October 2021, 13:39	#1783
Cyberbob	Had my second shot today. It might not be the perfect analogy but you don't hear people claiming 'my body my choice' when it comes to drunk driving. It doesn't make sense in this context. Just like how there's government rules on drunk driving, it's not just about me. It's about my friends & family, those I come into contact with, and their friends & family. Sometimes it just makes sense to do your part for the greater good. If you can, please do. __________________ ɹǝʌo sᴉ ǝɯɐƃ ʎɥʇ

11th October 2021, 13:45	#1784
Lightspeed	"It's my choice" is just another way of saying "I'm contrarian". __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

11th October 2021, 19:15	#1786
fixed_truth	ACT calling for suburbs with 90 per cent vaccination rate to be let out of lockdown I don't know how the hell this is supposed work. __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.

11th October 2021, 20:17	#1787
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	It's like when you to go a public swimming pool, if 90% of the people agree to not piss in the water then it's obviously OK.

11th October 2021, 21:29	#1788
smudge Ich Bin Ein Grey Lynner	Queue outside the hairdresser has benn ~10 long all day...

11th October 2021, 22:51	#1789
_indigo1	Man, no physio for nearly 2 months is killing me. How the fuck did this one slip through the cracks of essential; there's gotta be so many people suffering. But hey, ACC is saving a penny.

12th October 2021, 12:23	#1791
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	The Atlantic: Masks are changing how kids interact https://www.theatlantic.com/family/a...tm_source=feed

12th October 2021, 20:02	#1792
Nich	Daddy Kermit interviews John Anderson regarding government & media response to COVID https://youtu.be/NoRFaiqiQGo __________________ but what would I know? Last edited by Nich : 12th October 2021 at 20:03.

13th October 2021, 13:58	#1793
fixed_truth	Tl:dw summary? 5 mins in & they're still jerking each other off __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.

13th October 2021, 15:30	#1794
Lightspeed	Here's an excellent breakdown of the awful media coverage we've seen in NZ during the pandemic: https://badnewsletter.substack.com/p...fth-columnists Does a good job of laying out where DrTitus is getting their talking points from. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

14th October 2021, 09:42	#1796
Cyberbob	Can't remember if I've mentioned it on here before, but the deaf community is having a hell of a time with masks, given how much they rely on lip reading to communicate with those that don't know sign. __________________ ɹǝʌo sᴉ ǝɯɐƃ ʎɥʇ

14th October 2021, 11:43	#1798
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	#leadership https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-...4V6HQFCBDE7QI/