Labour Thus Far....

[fixed_truth]

I was actually pleasantly surprised by the mostly positive public response to Jacinda being pregnant.

In contrast the cringey response to a racist restaurant in CHCH shows we've still got a lot to work on.

[pxpx]

NZ has a proud history of being racists towards the Chinese, even your mates in government do it!

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by crocos

I was referring more to the misogynistic "bitch shouldn't be PM if she's going to get preggers, this is why females should stay at home" types rather than any particular political affiliation. I didn't say anything about it being political so that's your own interpretation of something that wasn't there.

it's ok, that's exactly how the rest of us understood it.

i thought those types only existed on the stuff comments section.

[fixed_truth]

Well shit, I think the Prime Minister clocked Waitangi Day.

[fixed_truth]

Labour surges to new levels of support in latest poll

The 1 News Colmar Brunton poll has Labour up nine points to 48 percent, while National has slipped three points to 43 percent.

Jacinda Ardern continues to increase in popularity with a four percentage point increase in the preferred Prime Minister poll to 41 percent.

OMg Winston knows what we want before we do!?!!?

[ZoSo]

With Trump like levels of media attn on her since pre-election, it'd be kind of embarrassing if they hadn't finally got a decent bump out of it.

[CCS]

Worker shortage could derail Kiwibuild, warns UK expert

The government's flagship Kiwibuild programme is doomed to fail unless the construction sector can find a way of addressing the chronic skills shortage, says a leading adviser to the UK government.
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Relying on migrant labour won't work, he said, as there aren't enough skilled overseas workers available. Instead, the industry needs to train far more local talent, creating attractive long-term career opportunities in the building sector.

Labour wouldn't want migrant labour anyway because it hates migrants. Maybe Labour can call them "skilled refugees" instead? They like refugees.

[Lightspeed]

Labour are indeed in a tough spot. National screwed us on both housing and skilled labour.

[Macca@Work]

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/natio...cid=spartanntp

USA!!USA!!

"Would I ever vote for a commie horseface babymama? Neigh, I would not," wrote one user.

"Left leaning female politicians suck," said another. "For every [Marine] Le Pen there's an [Angela] Merkel."

"She is a socialist and a feminist. That should tell you enough about her," read another comment.

[crocos]

That should be given the attention it deserves: Nothing.

[pxpx]

Wait for Labour to quietly adjust the target number of houses being built by KiwiBuild (or shift the goal posts). Twyford all but admitted that the many criticisms of it were valid (from the likes of Spark / Infometrics etc), while being interviewed by Mike Hosking this morning.

[Lightspeed]

Totally, KiwiBuild is a response to the politics of the day. Substance, kept promises are not what matters.

Still, it's what got them in power. The alternative was "what housing crisis?"

[Ab]

I seem to recall national taking a plurality of the seats in parliament?

[Lightspeed]

Fosure, there are still a significant number of people in NZ willing to buy "what housing crisis?" Labour needed to give people something else to buy into, however real it might be.

[CCS]

Economist warns KiwiBuild is set to disappoint

The Government's KiwiBuild programme could add as few as 9200 extra properties to New Zealand's housing stock over the next four years, an economist says.
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"Other OIA documents released by the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment (MBIE) suggest that only 25,000 households renting from private landlords in Auckland would have sufficient income to purchase a KiwiBuild home.

"In other words, the government could potentially get only a 50 per cent take-up of its 'affordable' Auckland properties at $500,000 to $600,000 each."

He said, assuming buyers could get a 10 per cent deposit, a single person would need an income of $71,200 to get into a $500,000 house, while a childless couple would need a combined income of $88,400 to get into a $600,000 property.

"In other words, the government risks bringing a large number of properties to the market for which there are few buyers who are realistically able to obtain or service the mortgage."

Surely Jacinda can sprinkle some fairy dust on this and fix it?

[Lightspeed]

Does she need to?

[CCS]

She made the promise.

[Lightspeed]

Yeah, that's what politicians do to get elected. Promises like "we won't raise GST."

[CCS]

And ?

[Lightspeed]

Exactly!

[fixed_truth]

Labour Party confirms sexual misconduct at camp - parents and police not told

Andrew Kirton, the Labour Party's general secretary, said he stood by the way the party had handled the situation, which he said was done with a "victim-led" focus on the back of advice from a Wellington sexual violence charity.

I understand why Kirton was advised not report it to the police or the parents but it still seems counter-intuitive to me.

[Ab]

That’s some NZ Labour level muppetry right there.

[Lightspeed]

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

I understand why Kirton was advised not report it to the police or the parents but it still seems counter-intuitive to me.

It is, but the reality is most sexual assaults don't get prosecuted, including serious assaults. At least if you compare prosecutions with people seeking help for related trauma.

We need a culture of accountability for that to change, but while victims seeking can't rely on robust support, that's not going to happen.

Anyone recall what's happened to services that would offer such support in the last nine years? I might have mentioned it before...

[fixed_truth]

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

It is, but the reality is most sexual assaults don't get prosecuted, including serious assaults. At least if you compare prosecutions with people seeking help for related trauma.

We need a culture of accountability for that to change, but while victims seeking can't rely on robust support, that's not going to happen.

Anyone recall what's happened to services that would offer such support in the last nine years? I might have mentioned it before...

There's a piece at The Spinoff today that really helped me wrap my head around it. It really sucks that as a society we're doing so poorly in this area.

So when I hear people join a chorus saying the police should have been called, their parents should have been told, they should have released details publicly – I hear a desire to live in a fantasy world. A world where survivors have a shot at justice, a world where parents know how to support their children after an assault, a world where people aren’t going to attack them for being attacked.

I don’t live there – do you?

[Ab]

Children sexually assaulted after consuming alcohol at a Labour event?

Yep, don’t tell the parents seems like the sensible option

[Lightspeed]

It depends on what the primary concern is: protecting the children or protecting the party.

[Ab]

The parents are the people whose job it is to decide what protects or doesn’t protect the children. The party kept crimes against their children secret from them. Looks like protecting the party was the only consideration here.

[Ab]

Not the first coverup

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politi...rty-event.html

Kirton must go.

[Lightspeed]

Originally Posted by Ab

The parents are the people whose job it is to decide what protects or doesn’t protect the children. The party kept crimes against their children secret from them. Looks like protecting the party was the only consideration here.

You say that, but it's not true. Parents decide all the time to literally fuck their children. You're thinking based on fantasied ideals, not reality. The party sought the advice of an independent organisation who deals with reality, an organisation that advised to respect the wishes of the specific children involved.

If Labour wanted to protect Labour, they would have gotten the police involved and some sweet, sweet name suppression.

ALL THE FUCKING TIME AB! IF YOU WANT TO WORK WITH TRAUMA YOU'RE WORKING WITH PEOPLE RAISING THEIR SIBLING/CHILDREN!

Don't fucking tell me you know anything about children that aren't yours Ab, I've never seen a fucking whit that demonstrates you have any connection with what really goes on.

[Ab]

What’s going on is the general secretary of the Labour Party deciding that some parents should not be told that their children were sexually assaulted at a Party event.

There is no world in which that is acceptable.

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

You say that, but it's not true. Parents decide all the time to literally fuck their children. You're thinking based on fantasied ideals, not reality

Political parties decide all the time to literally commit ethnic cleansing and genocide, you need to get in touch with reality instead of your fantasized ideals, ps it’s called reductio ad absurdum

[BoyWonder]

If this was respecting the wishes of the children, how come we all know about it now? One of them at least was not feeling respected.

[Lightspeed]

Yeah, this is fucking great, the only time people are like "oh shit, gotta think about the children" is when a political party can be smeared.

Fuck you cunts.

[CCS]

It's not a smear if it's true.

[Lightspeed]

There's nothing factual about "parents should be told if their children are sexually assaulted".

That's like saying "sexual trauma services should be well funded and easy to access" is factual.

[CCS]

I wasn't referring to that one particular statement. But it seems that you are and that you think "parents should be told if their children are sexually assaulted" is a smear on the Labour Party.

[Lightspeed]

Kirton apparently must go. Who had to go when ACC's Sensitive Claims Service collapsed? Who gave a fuck then? Hmmm? People gave a fuck when someone forgot about a letter that was sent. But who was deemed not suitable to govern when a service that at one point was helping thousands of victims had a stark downturn in applicants?

You. Fucking. Cunts.

[fixed_truth]

Originally Posted by Ab

What’s going on is the general secretary of the Labour Party deciding that some parents should not be told that their children were sexually assaulted at a Party event.

There is no world in which that is acceptable.

As mentioned previously, according to those who work with victims, that's the correct process.

If it was you would you still want to know even if your kid didn't consent to you knowing and if it meant your knowing would make it harder for them to get through? That's a really difficult question because as parents we want to support our kids and automatically think we can make things better but actually just for the sake of knowing we could make things worse.

[Ab]

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

But who was deemed not suitable to govern

I presume you’re referring to the national administration which since the last election is not in government...?

[CCS]

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

Who had to go when ACC's Sensitive Claims Service collapsed?

I don't recall any party campaigning on ACC's Sensitive Claims Service having anything done to it.

[Lightspeed]

Originally Posted by Ab

I presume you’re referring to the national administration which since the last election is not in government...?

I'm referring to you not giving a fuck, except when it suits you. To be fair, it's not just you, but I'm triggered and you're making yourself a target.

Tell me more about how you know what's best for victims of sexual assault. About how this is a consistent principle of yours, how this is about the children and not politics.