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21st October 2011, 13:32 | #1 | |
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That 70's Show
Otherwise known as "Labour's industrial relations policy"
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21st October 2011, 14:11 | #2 |
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Ooh, I might have to vote Labour this year then! :>
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21st October 2011, 15:43 | #3 |
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I know how to solve NZ's problems!
Raise minimum wage to $100/hour! There, fixed! |
21st October 2011, 16:34 | #4 | |
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21st October 2011, 18:05 | #6 | |
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21st October 2011, 18:15 | #7 |
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NZ’s worker boss relationship has not been working for quite a while. It’s a fact that productivity and profits have consistently risen but for the majority of workers real wages aren’t improving. NZ has a low wage economy. Both Labour and National agree that for a strong economy workers need to be paid more but National just want to keep up the failed leave it to the market trickle-down theory BS. So while militant/useless unions (ie Hobbit debacle) worry me, I think it’s good that Labour are actually looking at solutions to fairer wages and conditions for workers.
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21st October 2011, 18:17 | #8 |
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In contrast to National's give money to the rich to invest in property approach. Presumably this will be driving next years predicted 4% growth.
This shouldn't in any way be interpreted as me thinking that Labours approach is any less tragic. |
21st October 2011, 18:47 | #9 | |
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No one international is going to want to touch NZ workers for temporary employment possibilities No one nationally is going to want to give unskilled/untrained/unproven workers a chance, given that the workers have to be paid more than ever before, and they can't get rid of the workers easily if they end up being shite.
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21st October 2011, 18:54 | #10 | |
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21st October 2011, 19:01 | #11 | |
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21st October 2011, 19:04 | #12 |
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Business leaders don't need to collude together, they just need aligned values. I don't think you lack the cognitive abilities to understand that post, I suspect you just don't want to understand it.
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21st October 2011, 19:13 | #14 |
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Depends on how you feel about unemployment I guess.
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21st October 2011, 19:20 | #16 |
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Hahah, as CCS would say you can dish it out, but you can't take it.
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21st October 2011, 19:39 | #17 |
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It'll be awesome to relive my childhood again, having the whole country come to halt every school holidays because ferry workers/airport workers/caterers are on strike.
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21st October 2011, 20:45 | #18 | |
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21st October 2011, 21:20 | #19 | |
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21st October 2011, 21:53 | #20 |
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"Australians all let us rejoice
For we are young and free We've golden soil and wealth for toil, Our home is girt by sea: Our land abounds in nature's gifts Of beauty rich and rare, In history's page let every stage Advance Australia fair, In joyful strains then let us sing Advance Australia fair." Oh hey, I'm just sitting here drinking Coopers sparkling ale planning my escape while I can. |
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But meh, I'm not planning on voting for them Labour and I don't agree with everything about their policy; but imo there's some sensationalism going on and it's comparatively more attractive then what the other team's got concerning achieving fairer wages.
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21st October 2011, 22:10 | #22 | |
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22nd October 2011, 01:57 | #24 | |
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22nd October 2011, 08:53 | #25 |
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Most likely not conducted in NZ. But as I said it's consistent with standard supply & demand models. Also the effect is observed by NZ business lobby groups and it's part of their argument against minimum wage rises.
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22nd October 2011, 18:40 | #27 | |
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'the reality' is that most of the people the unions represent NEED the collective weight behind them that a union provides.the idea of some deadhead McD's cashier "civily negotiating" is lovely on the surface.. but c'mon- you live on earth too right?
"plenty of people out there have the 'skills' and want the job"- no-one would disagree that this is pretty much true,so no bargaining power for you kid. most of these sorts of industries are fine, nay, booming.plenty of money to spread a little more around.so why on earth not? can it be right for working people to be unable to keep pace with costs? "hold the country to ransom" nice emotive language there chum.if you dont value the service enough to pay for it....dont use it. im sure that is exactly the logic that a free marketeer like gt would use- "want to save money?dont buy it." Quote:
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23rd October 2011, 09:49 | #29 | |
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The research discussed in this article is broadly on topic.
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23rd October 2011, 10:32 | #30 |
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How can you call that mortality finding striking? That type of affect has been known for more than a century.
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23rd October 2011, 11:10 | #31 |
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Well, I think it was Marmot, professor of epidemiology at University College London, that called the finding striking. Perhaps it was not that there exists health differences between social groups that was striking but that these health differences still exist to such a high degree despite knowing this effect for the last hundred years, as you say.
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23rd October 2011, 12:16 | #32 |
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I'll guess without reading his post. Why is it, by and large, that life insurance companies don't run out of money?
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23rd October 2011, 12:25 | #33 |
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Is it any surprise GT wants to have his cake and eat it to?
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24th October 2011, 01:59 | #35 |
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While I don't necessarily take chubby's view, to say that unions simply hold the country to ransom is not reasonable. There's nothing simple about this at all.
And I don't believe the questions is how much does anyone deserve for their job. Where would you find how much people deserve for their work? The bible? I don't think so. "Deserve" is not part of the equation, unless somehow morals enter into the picture. If it is essential to me that my garbage is picked up weekly and no one is willing to do that for less than the salary of a surgeon, then either that's how much the garbage collector gets paid, or I have to find an alternative to getting my garbage collected weekly. Right? Or am I missing something? I'm sure I am, like I said, there's nothing simple about this.
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and the rest of your nonsense was self defeating. in fact, it kind've sounded like you were arguing in favour of unions.
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