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thinking out loud. beg pardon.)
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19th July 2010, 20:52 | #163 |
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Haiku - you're doing it wrong.
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19th July 2010, 20:56 | #164 |
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I don't get it.Nearly all my jobs have had a trail period?It's nothing new.
Maybe employers are more likely to enforce their option of not retaining a dodgy worker. |
19th July 2010, 20:59 | #165 |
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It's not the trial period, it's the fact that they can kick you out at any stage during that time without having to state a single damn reason for it, and you have no right to legally dispute it.
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19th July 2010, 21:52 | #166 | |
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So, bad employment situation or not, he obviously doesn't feel that should impact an employer being able to remove someone during a trial period. |
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19th July 2010, 22:00 | #167 |
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speaking from the POV of someone who is trying to get rid of a staff member this is a great thing
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19th July 2010, 22:07 | #168 |
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19th July 2010, 22:57 | #171 | |
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I mostly got frustrated because it happened about 2 hours before I was due to sign a 6 month lease on an apartment. All outgoings are contracted into huge terms and commitments, but income? Can go in an instant. I have absolutely no clue what I would have done if I'd found out i'd lost my job the day/week after signing the lease.
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19th July 2010, 23:16 | #173 |
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Yeah, that's why living in NZ is so great. I mean, was.
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19th July 2010, 23:43 | #174 | |
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20th July 2010, 07:29 | #175 | |
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20th July 2010, 10:18 | #177 |
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I suspect part of the intention of this bill is to make it more hard (or threatening) for existing employees to look for alternative work and to keep wages low. I mean, an employee certainly loses negotiating power come pay review time given the uncertainty this bill introduces for looking for new work.
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20th July 2010, 10:38 | #178 | |
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20th July 2010, 11:39 | #179 |
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So, was listening to the radio and there was an interesting point - this really shits on meatworkers.
Because of the sporadic and seasonal nature of their work, they routinely end employment and then begin it - so there's a good chance that they'd be in perpetual 90 day trials. Niiiice.
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20th July 2010, 11:48 | #180 |
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Wouldn't seasonal workers just be contracted for a certain length of time though? At least that's what I would do as an employer...
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I guess you'd have to ask someone who's worked it to know definitely. Also, WINZ are being sane: Quote:
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Of course, Left Wing viewpoints aren't based on facts.. such as the fact that during peak season, meat work facilities actually can't employ the amount of people they need to employ. They also don't realise that meat work contracts also specifiy already that if there is a need to downsize/downscale operations, they may be let go/have their hours reduced. AFFCO for instance have this in their main contract already, it wouldn't make any difference. |
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20th July 2010, 12:04 | #183 |
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yep the non permanent staff here can all have their hours reduced due to slower workload at no notice.
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Yes, it's hard for employers in NZ to currently fire someone for being a drop kick, and this will make it easier, but IMO, it also makes employers lazy. Background check? Thorough interviewing? Reference checking of any kind? Na, if he's no good, we've got three months to kick em out with no fuss.
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Fun fact - incompetent people can already be fired. And why do I oppose removing the right to take a personal grievance? Because people like you become managers, mainly. Quote:
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Fuck's sake man, at least try to be a) correct and b) coherent when you accuse someone of 'not having the facts'. Right now it feels like I'm being accused of wearing shit jerseys by David Bain.
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This coming from someone who is agonising over a lamb supply facility being shut down during the middle of winter? Let's imagine that lamb for a second is a seasonal supply product depending on when the farmers are able to produce stock of reasonable quality... Oh wait, we don't have to imagine that - that's the reality. Let's also imagine that the world is still suffering from an economic slow down and that world demand for higher value products such as export quality NZ lamb has dropped.... oh wait, we don't have to imagine that either! So... with supply of raw product being down.... and demand of end product being down..... Silver Fern farms are meant to keep their factory running for what reason? Oh I see... They're supposed to lose money because all businesses are meant to lose money? Let's forget that the margins in the meat industry are so god damn small (AFFCO for instance, 1.10 billion turnover last year, net profit of... 16 million, Silver Fern have a similar profit margin, that is to say, extremely poor) and that if they don't take measures such as shutting down the factory seasonally, that there won't be any jobs for any workers during peak season. So, like my point stated - during periods of high demand and high supply, there isn't enough workers available for these meat factories, to manage this, they tend to start production earlier than they would like and continue later than they should in order to facilitate an even supply of jobs as well as product to sell. But yes, let's act like a meat works shutting down during mid winter is "STICKING IT TO THE LOWER CLASS YO!". Because that's obviously the best way to view the situation. Now, being that we've established you don't know much about the meat industry in NZ, let me inform you about their existing contracts. Their existing contracts have within them an ability for them to basically lose their job overnight dependent on the issues I've stated above. Also due to the nature of the business, safety concerns are also reason to lose their job immediately - these are already factored into the contracts. You'll also find that workers with a long loyal history who have proven themselves to be good are put on retainer contracts, this is to ensure they're not poached by other members in the meat industry because competition in the industry is high (124 players in NZ, with 4 major players) So, basically, the 90 day trial period won't have any difference within the meat industry, due to these unique things where contracts are supplied on a seasonal basis. In the case of retainer contracts where people prove themselves to be worth keeping on, they will expire their 90 day period quite easily. But don't let, you know... coherent, correct facts get in the way of your grandstanding, ignorance has never been cause for concern from a leftist viewpoint. Quote:
This is classy, it also invalidates anything you've said in this thread - you know, above and beyond the beat down you got for your original point and the fact that you're supremely ignorant about the ERA. And as per the "You can't re-hire someone you fired during a trial period" - good point, one I didn't know and one that ultimately kills any further discussion on seasonal supply contracts. Last edited by David : 20th July 2010 at 13:12. |
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Note subs (3): "Employee means an employee who has not been previously employed by the employer." AFAIK, National isn't proposing to remove this requirement. |
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20th July 2010, 13:16 | #191 |
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heh reading this thread while rereading The Grapes of Wrath is quite the trip
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David's still a pole-smoker though. I'm adopting that as part of my company's values statement: 1. Pride in our work 2. Integrity in our actions 3. That guy on the internet is a real dick 4. Openness with our customers
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Just one teensy weensy thing; seeing as you didn't agree with my viewpoint to start with and appear to be incapable of anything other than hypocrisy and self-indulgence let alone a social conscience, don't mind if I don't lose sleep about my "argument" being "invalid" to you. Go sit in a corner and play with a potato. |
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20th July 2010, 13:19 | #195 |
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It's incredible like all Steinbeck but depressing as fuck, the way he depicts poverty and desperation really seeps into your skin
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20th July 2010, 13:27 | #199 |
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Hey, I already bagsed the "luv/love" comment. Fuck off and find your own form of patronising buzzwords.
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