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After complaining about ad hominem attacks you've gone out of your way to try and construct an ad hominem attack against me? Your fantasy about my virtue is your own. I've said plenty worse than nigger on this forum.
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16th March 2021, 00:40 | #762 |
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GG mr racist.
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16th March 2021, 00:59 | #763 |
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Well, I guess you got me. Now the truly virtuous can go back to laughing at racist Maoris.
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16th March 2021, 01:04 | #764 |
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The dictionary says it's okay.
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16th March 2021, 02:22 | #765 |
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It’s the syllables that are magic. Just don’t say them. Or think them in your head.
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16th March 2021, 11:28 | #766 |
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shit's epic AF when an ex-best mate and my ex's brother go at it
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16th March 2021, 14:28 | #767 |
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As long as no one else questions how important I am. I think it's clear to everyone I am very important. Fucking FATES rest upon my shoulders.
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20th March 2021, 11:33 | #768 |
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Calls for theatre production to be cancelled after director hires actor to do acting
https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/19-...of-trans-role/ |
20th March 2021, 14:52 | #769 |
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Probably just a good idea to avoid the problem altogether by avoiding these kind of controversial roles. /s
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21st March 2021, 17:12 | #770 |
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Well, that's the most obvious lesson from this. Tell no transgender stories, write no transgender parts.
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21st March 2021, 17:23 | #771 |
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steer clear of queers?
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22nd March 2021, 16:54 | #772 | |
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Efeso should just turn off the tv if he doesn't like it. Dude should invest in a TV remote eh. |
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22nd March 2021, 19:07 | #773 |
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Why should he just sit down & shut up? If he's right about how the show is produced then it directly negatively affects him & his family.
We already know that police disproportionately target brown people and we also know that white criminals appearing on the show doesn't perpetuate stereotypes about white people, but brown criminals on the show does for brown people. So the show does have a moral responsibility to take these things into consideration. Perhaps it already does, I don't watch it.
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22nd March 2021, 19:44 | #774 |
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Hey, he should be able to say whatever he wants. But, he doesn't have a right to dictate what others can watch. If that were the case then Richard Pryor would've never been around, and that would be a sad thing indeed.
What it does do is open up for dialogue. But, from what I can see there is no dialogue from the media companies. Just special interest groups looking to get social credit and extra likes from their tweets, and even ol' racist cunt lolspeed who drops N bombs. Maybe this guy will provide more context rather than a tweet. |
22nd March 2021, 19:54 | #775 |
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Is Efeso Collins asserting some kind of right to dictate what others can watch?
Or is he offering his voice to the collective opinion that sets our broadcasting standards? Which media companies do indeed abide by and are in ever ongoing discussions about. You can just say you disagree with that opinion without having to make out like someone is doing something they shouldn't by tweeting theirs. Or I suppose maybe you can't.
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22nd March 2021, 19:56 | #776 |
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Newsflash, his audience wasn’t TVNZ.
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23rd March 2021, 18:26 | #777 |
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His post was picked up by the social justice warriors just like a fat kid in a cake shop. No real analysis put into it. Brown people shown on TV in a negative light = racist.
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23rd March 2021, 18:54 | #778 |
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23rd March 2021, 18:54 | #779 | |
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What analysis are you expecting? How do you expect to come across that analysis? At this time there are 27 Google Scholar results specifically mentioning Police Ten 7, at a glance a number appear related to the discussion at hand. There could definitely be more. Are you asking for better funding? Free access to academic sources?
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23rd March 2021, 19:10 | #780 | |
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http://researcharchive.vuw.ac.nz/handle/10063/2458 This write up looks good, but there's no stats there so who could say? Are you allowed to use statistics in this post modernist world of yours? GG Helious, JBPeterson owns bones. |
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23rd March 2021, 19:25 | #781 |
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Perhaps he's seen young brown people struggling against the odds and thinks any portrayal of any brown person in less than ideal situations needs to be well considered, given the vulnerabilities of this group of people he is familiar with?
Stats are very useful in some circumstances, impossible to collect in any meaningful way in others. Often simply arbitrary, chosen on the basis of what we're looking to find rather than what actually might be there. We know how to learn things in the absence of statistics. The comforts of hard data are understandable. Are you looking to learn, or be comforted?
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23rd March 2021, 19:39 | #782 |
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Maybe we need a police 10 7: white collar edition.
Oh wait. That wouldn't suit the viewer democratic and would not be very interesting to watch. Someone defrauded someone, but they have been able to have permanant name suppression coz basically they can afford the lawyers to convince the judge that it would cause undue hardship. |
23rd March 2021, 19:45 | #783 | |
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this is like, 10-15 years ago, i forget how long https://mega.nz/file/h25AUJQJ#9L7aCF...oEFSOJR0lYMa6I |
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23rd March 2021, 23:08 | #785 |
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I'd prefer to have a show where John Campbell stalks people like Mark Hotchins around. Or another show where Jeremy Wells teaches people how to rip off the system.
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23rd March 2021, 23:45 | #786 | |
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As a society I do think that we're slowly progressing to a place where it's safer for non-white people to critique how the media portrays them. More and more people are critiquing how P10-7 deepens racial stereotypes which leads to real discriminatory bias towards brown people which makes their lives more difficult. So yeah questions around why we should accept this and what value the show has are important questions.
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24th March 2021, 09:08 | #787 | |
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'Always blow on the pie' is a cultural icon in NZ TV. Perhaps you're right though. They should do filming in Christchurch or Greymouth instead of South AK. Then there'd be more bogan meth heads to sit and laugh at. |
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24th March 2021, 09:29 | #788 | |
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24th March 2021, 12:47 | #790 |
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what about misogyny? the show obviously just reinforces negative male stereotypes. I for one demand more female and nonbinary criminals.
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It seems diverse as. Last edited by StN : 24th March 2021 at 13:41. |
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24th March 2021, 14:22 | #792 | |
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Now this issue is about race, because we're all racist. We're all a part of these systems that arbitrarily divide us, marginalise and exploit those who find themselves vulnerable. But we can put race aside and just see a person concerned about people he is familiar with. We don't have to view this as an attack in the race war. He could actually be concerned about the people he knows and loves, without making it about white people vs non-white people. And even if he doesn't, we can. But I get it, it's hard to put aside racism.
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24th March 2021, 15:30 | #793 |
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Hmmm, so long as the amount of time spent on brown/white/other incidents is proportional I don't see it as an issue.
It has the potential to be racist sure. Ok, reading the articles linked earlier... That is exactly what is happening. Too many incidents shown involving brown people and not white people. So, yeah racist. Hmmm, the Shows producers are claiming that it is what they see when out with the patrols. And that it is an accurate representation. So that therefore their show isn't racist its just reflecting society. Maybe they do need to film more in areas which are less brown dominated. So their show reflects more of NZ than just South Auckland?
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24th March 2021, 17:27 | #795 |
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Sealioning.
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24th March 2021, 17:32 | #796 |
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The burden of proof regarding the truthfulness of a claim lies with the one who makes the claim; if this burden is not met, then the claim is unfounded, and its opponents need not argue further in order to dismiss it.
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24th March 2021, 17:40 | #797 |
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And in a different context working through all that would be completely appropriate. And certainly has been in numerous ways.
In this context, and given you're unwilling to consider ideas not established in the dictionary, you're sealioning.
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24th March 2021, 17:43 | #798 | |
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If you're happy to use some sort of rational argument then i'm all open. Otherwise your reasoning devolves into the below statement by Mr Simon.
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24th March 2021, 17:56 | #799 | ||
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No you're not. You're defensive and dismissive. You're working to be right, not to engage in a discussion. When I call you a cunt, I point out why you're specifically being a cunt in that point of discussion. Like when you laugh at a person who's grown up under generations of oppression for taking on the values of their oppressors. That makes you a cunt. You have to dig shit up, cause you want to be right, the discussion doesn't matter. Keeping what you got is what matters. Challenging racism challenges what you got.
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No evidence then, Jeremy?
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