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Old Yesterday, 14:45     #42601
Lightspeed
 
I wonder when the last Olympics will be. Can't be far off now.
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Old Yesterday, 16:39     #42602
Ab
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There's a social-media bonfire going on in Australia at the moment about toxic culture in high-level swimming. The usual suspects make an appearance of course - creepy male swimming coaches ogling girls in swimsuits left right and centre. There's also a toxic white feminism angle to the discussions, as the loudest voices are white women with social media audiences calling for diversity and by diversity they mean paying attention to white women with social media audiences. (Brown people don't swim, because swimming lessons cost money, and brown people are poor, and that's outside the scope of caring about the concerns of white women with social media audiences, silly.)

But the weirdest thing has been this safetyism aspect of "oh noes, a young professional athlete with a social media following claims she was made to feel unsafe at training, and of course every woman has the right to feel safe at her place of work," and I'm just going what the fuck? You are an elite athlete being paid by my taxes to win medals. I don't want you feeling safe, I want you waking up every day determined to avoid the humiliation of coming second. Safe? Fuck off.

I don't think you're entirely crazy asking how long the Olympics will continue. It's impossible to have sporting competition without admitting that some people are just plain better than other people at stuff, and that's a cancelin'.
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Old Yesterday, 17:08     #42603
Lightspeed
 
There's that, then there's what got the Olympics started in the first place: the race for supremism. It's literally a spectacle of who is the best.

And we're moving from a world that focuses on the best to one that tries to see all value. Not because we want to ascend as glorious angels, but because we want to survive. We don't survive by attending only to the "best".

Just like we don't resolve problems with sexual boundaries in our community by focusing on men's interest in girls. Men like boys too. Women have all kinds of interests too. And some young people have an interest in older people too. Oops, let's pretend I didn't say that out loud.
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Old Yesterday, 17:27     #42604
Ab
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Citius - Altius - Fortius, bitches
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Old Yesterday, 17:47     #42605
Lightspeed
 
I reckon. Bring on my robot body with the strength of five go-rillas!
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Old Yesterday, 18:00     #42606
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Citius - Altius - Fortius, bitches
And yet you whinge about Hubbard
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Old Yesterday, 19:13     #42607
Ab
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I think "women's" should be a protected class of competition, otherwise it's not fair. Like "under-12" or "featherweight" or "paralympic".
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Old Yesterday, 19:53     #42608
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I think that once the language around it all changes then the pendulum will swing to something that is more fair and at the same time respects their womanhood.
I've heard of the men's category being replaced with an open category and an athletes biological advantage being evaluated on a case by case basis and in context of the specific sport they're competing in.
That way the the discussion moves away from 'he shouldn't be permitted in womans sports because he's a man', to this woman went through puberty as a male and so she should compete in the open grade.
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Old Yesterday, 19:55     #42609
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Great. Make "Men's" an open category. But if you don't make "Women's" restricted, it's unfair. You can not ask natal females to compete against natal males.
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Old Yesterday, 19:58     #42610
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Biological sex assigned at birth != Gender.
Leave gender out of sports, don't entertain the idea of segmenting by anything other than biological sex assigned at birth, and you'll be fine.
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Old Yesterday, 20:04     #42611
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Why not? It's been happening for a while now with no big problems. Shouldn't it be dependent on whether it can be shown that person has an unfair biological advantage.

Would a natal male who recieved puberty blockers have any significant biological advantage outside of the normal variation seen between natal females?
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Old Yesterday, 20:05     #42612
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@Ab
Why not? It's been happening for a while now with no big problems. Shouldn't it be dependent on whether it can be shown that person has an unfair biological advantage.

Would a natal male who recieved puberty blockers have any significant biological advantage outside of the normal variation seen between natal females?
As in, a natal male who has never experienced puberty?
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Old Yesterday, 20:08     #42613
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Biological sex assigned at birth != Gender.
Leave gender out of sports, don't entertain the idea of segmenting by anything other than biological sex assigned at birth, and you'll be fine.
The athletic categories are men & woman's. As a society we've decided that gender is relevant to the definition of man & woman.
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Old Yesterday, 20:21     #42614
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As in, a natal male who has never experienced puberty?
Well yeah not in the way a male usually would which might include other medical interventions like hormone replacement & surgery.
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Old Yesterday, 21:49     #42615
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Dr Ross Tucker, sports scientist (SA kayaking, USA triathlon team, UK Olympic committee, World Rugby):

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Lowering of testosterone is almost completely ineffective in taking away the biological differences between males and females.
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Old Yesterday, 23:58     #42616
Ab
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@Ab
Why not? It's been happening for a while now with no big problems.
These people, who admittedly know nothing about sport, beg to differ.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/former...D5XY3Z6WRCM5A/
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Old Today, 00:40     #42617
Lightspeed
 
I figure traditional sports will eventually be the domain of the snooty class, those who cling to the airs of the old power base. All this wrangling will be rendered moot for the average person.

Eventually anyone wanting to compete like a traditional athlete would have to abstain from the advances the general public will be enjoying over their body.

In 20 years what's biotech going to look like? We might see five Olympics, we won't see 10.
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Old Today, 09:50     #42618
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McAfee has been successfully uninstalled
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Old Today, 10:25     #42619
xor
 
I might buy a hammock to remember him.
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Old Today, 10:26     #42620
Ab
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Did he choke while eating a dick?
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Old Today, 10:32     #42621
Ab
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Well yeah not in the way a male usually would which might include other medical interventions like hormone replacement & surgery.
Peer-reviewed research: transgender women athletes retain almost all of their male physical advantages regardless of hormone treatment or testosterone levels

https://link.springer.com/article/10...79-020-01389-3
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Old Today, 10:49     #42622
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McAfee has been successfully uninstalled
Weird, he said he wasn't going to suicide.
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Old Today, 12:18     #42623
Ab
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I wonder how much BTC gets taken out of circulation as a result of his death. McAfee doesn’t seem like the risk-management, succession-planning, assets-in-escrow type.
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Old Today, 12:40     #42624
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I figure traditional sports will eventually be the domain of the snooty class, those who cling to the airs of the old power base. All this wrangling will be rendered moot for the average person.

Eventually anyone wanting to compete like a traditional athlete would have to abstain from the advances the general public will be enjoying over their body.

In 20 years what's biotech going to look like? We might see five Olympics, we won't see 10.
Sounds like eugenics to me. I can live with being snooty.
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Old Today, 13:11     #42625
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I wonder how much BTC gets taken out of circulation as a result of his death. McAfee doesn’t seem like the risk-management, succession-planning, assets-in-escrow type.
...but I wonder if he has an Epstein vault with a deadman's switch to auto send?
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Old Today, 13:44     #42626
Nich
 
Treatment of Assange has ensured that even if a whistle blower releases info, "journalists" are too meek to report it. In Oz, the Australian Federal Police has no issue with kicking in the door of ABC when they are in possession of info that is too spicy.
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Old Today, 14:10     #42627
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Sounds like eugenics to me. I can live with being snooty.
Yeah, that's how many will go. But not most. Most will still want every economic advantage they can get. They won't be able to watch their kids fall behind while others are taking full advantage.
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