MS Surface - Page 10

[fe] · 15th May 2014, 16:37

Picked up one of these a month or so back (sale!). Dustys comments are accurate. Hardware is good, its become the workhorse tablet of choice. Stylus is great.

Pity about the software. No confidence in MS to improve on this front esp if theyre restablishing an outdated desktop mode and are not pushing metro. (metro office? even?).

Having used it I feel theres a market for a tablet for a more mature UI (plus 12/13 inch plz) but it feels like we're back pre-iPhone territory, waiting for Apple to release the right OS/Hardware that is lighter, faster, better, with devs supporting it.

Savage · 15th May 2014, 16:44

Surface Pro 2 actually looking quite decent in terms of specs. Still over $1k though (hearsay).

mr selfdestruct · 17th May 2014, 13:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savage

Surface Pro 2 actually looking quite decent in terms of specs. Still over $1k though (hearsay).

Surface Pro is hardly any different from the 2 except for the doubled price tag

moocow · 21st May 2014, 10:32

watched the release thing last-night at 1am..

looks ok, maybe a bit pricey ? basically an ultra-book

the main microsoft guy was a bit of a maggot though, what losers at the end

Dusty · 21st May 2014, 10:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by moocow

watched the release thing last-night at 1am..

looks ok, maybe a bit pricey ? basically an ultra-book

the main microsoft guy was a bit of a maggot though, what losers at the end

Wot?

A little detail and context wouldn't go amiss...

Ab · 21st May 2014, 11:34

MS has given up on competing with iPad. Just given up.

[BT]MikeMan · 21st May 2014, 13:05

Will be the Surface Pro 3

12" Screen and i3, i5 and i7 CPU's.

4GB or 8GB of RAM

128GB to 512GB SSD

New Kickstand Design with a wide range of locking points

Better design for keyboard attach.

Otherwise not much different.

Ab · 21st May 2014, 13:30

But this version has an advertisement with a dubstep soundtrack featuring synthy BWAAAARRRRM sounds. I know the last one did too, but this one has different BWAAAARRRRM sounds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t7rSZT_77E

Fuck, I'm convinced! That ad just showed everything I do in my daily life and more importantly how this device can make it easier.

_Incubus_ · 21st May 2014, 17:44

I have to lug around a Dell windows laptop (brick) for work, been looking at alternatives...some i7 ultrabooks around $1400 AUD, or a Macbook Air 11" for $1k...the only think is the resolution thats a bit low for my application..apart from that its a work of art.

Saw the Surface 3 news and got exited with the idea of being able leave my brick at home with an i7 version...not at $2200, they are fucking dreaming..

Dusty · 22nd May 2014, 09:29

Wassis name from Penny-Arcade (Gabe?) was asked by MS to pimp their Surface tablet in some interview/ad. He looovveesss the thing. I mean for someone like him I can see why.

Comparing the Surface (Pro) with the iPad is like comparing a phone with a router. Why would you?

mr selfdestruct · 22nd May 2014, 11:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

MS has given up on competing with iPad. Just given up.

They sure have, great move.

Both tablets are targeted at completely different markets and are designed for very different tasks. Surface Pro 3 is aimed at people who want the portability of a tablet but want to be able to carry out tasks that require a machine with power that matches that of a laptop. The iPad Air, on the other hand, is more of a recreational toy, capable of running powerful apps but not a laptop replacement, particularly not for business users.

You're right, Apple owns the tablet toy market hands down.

They have finally nailed the form factor with the Surface 3 too. Looks sick.

_Incubus_ · 22nd May 2014, 11:37

I just cant get beyond the price point difference of a touchscreen ultrabook for the same specs is almost $700 AUD cheaper than the Pro 3....If they were around the $1500 mark I'd probably be pre-ordering one today.

mr selfdestruct · 23rd May 2014, 18:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Incubus_

I just cant get beyond the price point difference of a touchscreen ultrabook for the same specs is almost $700 AUD cheaper than the Pro 3....If they were around the $1500 mark I'd probably be pre-ordering one today.

The prices are fucking ridiculous, drop your margin, people might buy them.

crocos · 24th May 2014, 12:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr selfdestruct

The prices are fucking ridiculous, drop your margin, people might buy them.

Margin? They're merely adding in the price of all the unsold Surface 1 & 2's

mpx · 24th May 2014, 14:27

if they were $1500 for surface 3, I would buy one in an instant with it's ability to use wacom pens. An ultra portable art table would be simply amazing.

Ab · 25th May 2014, 16:01

Gabe from PA checks in: no sir, he doesn't like it.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/news/pos.../surface-pro-3

_Incubus_ · 25th May 2014, 21:11

It staggers belief they would give Gabe a mid spec i5 if they wanted him to say nice things about the product, especially as his main gripes seemed to focus on stutter and performance..

mr selfdestruct · 25th May 2014, 22:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Incubus_

It staggers belief they would give Gabe a mid spec i5 if they wanted him to say nice things about the product, especially as his main gripes seemed to focus on stutter and performance..

This.

Intel Core i7, 8 GB of RAM and 256 GB SSD - Yes please!

mr selfdestruct · 25th May 2014, 22:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by crocos

Margin? They're merely adding in the price of all the unsold Surface 1 & 2's

they need to cut their losses with that rubbish, put it down to some bad business decisions and write it off

They have a genuine opportunity to steal a couple points of market share with this sucker if it was actually affordable

Ab · 17th January 2018, 03:28

Why can't I invert the mouse scroll wheel on this fucking thing

this is driving me insane

Ab · 22nd February 2018, 15:52

Surface: pretty good as a laptop
Meh as a workstation
Fucking awful as a tablet

I have more sleep/wake problems with my surface in a day than in an average year of iMac or MacBook.

StN · 23rd February 2018, 15:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

I have more sleep/wake problems with my surface in a day than in an average year of iMac or MacBook.

Have you tried connecting it to multiple external screens when docked? That and the randomness of not detecting them is a special kind of pain.

Ab · 24th February 2018, 18:51

(surface to me): "what external monitor? what bluetooth mouse? what ethernet connection?"

Me: THE ONES YOU WERE CONNECTED TO BEFORE YOU WENT TO SLEEP YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT

_Incubus_ · 25th February 2018, 08:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

(surface to me): "what external monitor? what bluetooth mouse? what ethernet connection?"

Me: THE ONES YOU WERE CONNECTED TO BEFORE YOU WENT TO SLEEP YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT

Yep, I recently got updated to the latest Surface Pro from a Pro 3...it's a big improvement but yep it still does the whole cant sleep/wake properly and the mouse just seems to drop out for no apparent reason....FFS MS

mr selfdestruct · 27th February 2018, 23:07

Yeah I hate the Pro's, done with them a long time ago now. I love my Surface Book, no docking issues, no sleep/wake issues.

pxpx · 28th February 2018, 08:36

Literally everyone with one in my office has issues with them and I refuse to move away from my HP workhorse.

Ab · 26th March 2018, 15:55

My favourite part of using a Surface Pro is having to reboot it every time I plug anything into it... or remove anything that was already plugged in to it....

crocos · 26th March 2018, 18:55

I guess I've just been lucky; haven't had any of these issues yet.

Ab · 27th March 2018, 14:52

My current salaryman gig is at an eat-own-dogfood MS partner. When I said to the boss "hey can I have a Macbook" he looked at me like I'd said I wanted to eat babies at my desk.

crocos · 27th March 2018, 15:11

*shock* You mean that's not what Mac users do?

Ab · 28th March 2018, 14:16

Well, we do have lots of spare time to waste on such frivolous activities, seeing as how 50% of the work day isn't taken up with rebooting our computers to get USB devices to work.

mr selfdestruct · 4th April 2018, 01:03

That just sounds like a fucked thing with your particular machine Si, just get it fixed or replaced.

Ab · 16th May 2018, 15:35

My Surface has come down with flickeritis. Surpriiiiiiise

mr selfdestruct · 21st July 2018, 18:05

Surface revenue was up a healthy 32 percent year on year, to $1.1 billion

[fe] · 20th February 2019, 15:36

Retired my OG Pro. Bit of a brick, short battery life, crappy keyboard karked it ages ago. Useless power switch, but still runs 10 pretty well. Never fulfilled its stylus potential, and is still _very_average as a tablet. Makes me wonder who the device is really for and why you would get one over a laptop.

Both Affinity have (and Adobe will by the looks) ignored the device for tablet specific apps. Having said that I still love the og stylus > apple pencil 2.

Ab · 20th February 2019, 19:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by [fe]

Bit of a brick
short battery life
crappy keyboard
Never fulfilled its stylus potential
_very_average as a tablet

Agreed on all counts. This post coming to you from my still intermittently-flickering SP4.

StN · 20th February 2019, 19:36

I'm waiting for the minions to swap my SP3 out for an HP jobbie. OoKiE seems to still be barred up over his, so initially it should be Ok.

mr selfdestruct · 27th April 2019, 17:13

Surface revenue grew 21 percent year over year, up to $1.3 billion and likely reflecting demand for a range of Surface hardware

https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/24/1...revenue-profit

27th February 2018, 23:07	#385
mr selfdestruct The Deliverator	Yeah I hate the Pro's, done with them a long time ago now. I love my Surface Book, no docking issues, no sleep/wake issues. __________________ My real signature is not nearly as legible as this one.

4th April 2018, 01:03	#392
mr selfdestruct The Deliverator	That just sounds like a fucked thing with your particular machine Si, just get it fixed or replaced. __________________ My real signature is not nearly as legible as this one.

21st July 2018, 18:05	#394
mr selfdestruct The Deliverator	Surface revenue was up a healthy 32 percent year on year, to $1.1 billion __________________ My real signature is not nearly as legible as this one.

27th April 2019, 17:13	#398
mr selfdestruct The Deliverator	Surface revenue grew 21 percent year over year, up to $1.3 billion and likely reflecting demand for a range of Surface hardware https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/24/1...revenue-profit __________________ My real signature is not nearly as legible as this one.

15th May 2014, 16:37	#361
[fe]	Picked up one of these a month or so back (sale!). Dustys comments are accurate. Hardware is good, its become the workhorse tablet of choice. Stylus is great. Pity about the software. No confidence in MS to improve on this front esp if theyre restablishing an outdated desktop mode and are not pushing metro. (metro office? even?). Having used it I feel theres a market for a tablet for a more mature UI (plus 12/13 inch plz) but it feels like we're back pre-iPhone territory, waiting for Apple to release the right OS/Hardware that is lighter, faster, better, with devs supporting it.

15th May 2014, 16:44	#362
Savage	Surface Pro 2 actually looking quite decent in terms of specs. Still over $1k though (hearsay).

21st May 2014, 10:32	#364
moocow	watched the release thing last-night at 1am.. looks ok, maybe a bit pricey ? basically an ultra-book the main microsoft guy was a bit of a maggot though, what losers at the end

21st May 2014, 11:34	#366
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	MS has given up on competing with iPad. Just given up.

21st May 2014, 13:05	#367
[BT]MikeMan	Will be the Surface Pro 3 12" Screen and i3, i5 and i7 CPU's. 4GB or 8GB of RAM 128GB to 512GB SSD New Kickstand Design with a wide range of locking points Better design for keyboard attach. Otherwise not much different.

21st May 2014, 13:30	#368
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	But this version has an advertisement with a dubstep soundtrack featuring synthy BWAAAARRRRM sounds. I know the last one did too, but this one has different BWAAAARRRRM sounds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t7rSZT_77E Fuck, I'm convinced! That ad just showed everything I do in my daily life and more importantly how this device can make it easier.

21st May 2014, 17:44	#369
_Incubus_	I have to lug around a Dell windows laptop (brick) for work, been looking at alternatives...some i7 ultrabooks around $1400 AUD, or a Macbook Air 11" for $1k...the only think is the resolution thats a bit low for my application..apart from that its a work of art. Saw the Surface 3 news and got exited with the idea of being able leave my brick at home with an i7 version...not at $2200, they are fucking dreaming..

22nd May 2014, 09:29	#370
Dusty	Wassis name from Penny-Arcade (Gabe?) was asked by MS to pimp their Surface tablet in some interview/ad. He looovveesss the thing. I mean for someone like him I can see why. Comparing the Surface (Pro) with the iPad is like comparing a phone with a router. Why would you?

22nd May 2014, 11:37	#372
_Incubus_	I just cant get beyond the price point difference of a touchscreen ultrabook for the same specs is almost $700 AUD cheaper than the Pro 3....If they were around the $1500 mark I'd probably be pre-ordering one today.

24th May 2014, 14:27	#375
mpx .	if they were $1500 for surface 3, I would buy one in an instant with it's ability to use wacom pens. An ultra portable art table would be simply amazing.

25th May 2014, 16:01	#376
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	Gabe from PA checks in: no sir, he doesn't like it. http://www.penny-arcade.com/news/pos.../surface-pro-3

25th May 2014, 21:11	#377
_Incubus_	It staggers belief they would give Gabe a mid spec i5 if they wanted him to say nice things about the product, especially as his main gripes seemed to focus on stutter and performance..

17th January 2018, 03:28	#380
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	Why can't I invert the mouse scroll wheel on this fucking thing this is driving me insane

22nd February 2018, 15:52	#381
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	Surface: pretty good as a laptop Meh as a workstation Fucking awful as a tablet I have more sleep/wake problems with my surface in a day than in an average year of iMac or MacBook.

24th February 2018, 18:51	#383
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	(surface to me): "what external monitor? what bluetooth mouse? what ethernet connection?" Me: THE ONES YOU WERE CONNECTED TO BEFORE YOU WENT TO SLEEP YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT

28th February 2018, 08:36	#386
pxpx	Literally everyone with one in my office has issues with them and I refuse to move away from my HP workhorse.

26th March 2018, 15:55	#387
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	My favourite part of using a Surface Pro is having to reboot it every time I plug anything into it... or remove anything that was already plugged in to it....

26th March 2018, 18:55	#388
crocos	I guess I've just been lucky; haven't had any of these issues yet. __________________ Ξ √ Ω L U T ↑ ☼ N وكل يوم كنت تعيش في العبودية

27th March 2018, 14:52	#389
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	My current salaryman gig is at an eat-own-dogfood MS partner. When I said to the boss "hey can I have a Macbook" he looked at me like I'd said I wanted to eat babies at my desk.

27th March 2018, 15:11	#390
crocos	shock You mean that's not what Mac users do? __________________ Ξ √ Ω L U T ↑ ☼ N وكل يوم كنت تعيش في العبودية

28th March 2018, 14:16	#391
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	Well, we do have lots of spare time to waste on such frivolous activities, seeing as how 50% of the work day isn't taken up with rebooting our computers to get USB devices to work.

16th May 2018, 15:35	#393
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	My Surface has come down with flickeritis. Surpriiiiiiise

20th February 2019, 15:36	#395
[fe]	Retired my OG Pro. Bit of a brick, short battery life, crappy keyboard karked it ages ago. Useless power switch, but still runs 10 pretty well. Never fulfilled its stylus potential, and is still _very_average as a tablet. Makes me wonder who the device is really for and why you would get one over a laptop. Both Affinity have (and Adobe will by the looks) ignored the device for tablet specific apps. Having said that I still love the og stylus > apple pencil 2.

20th February 2019, 19:36	#397
StN I have detailed files	I'm waiting for the minions to swap my SP3 out for an HP jobbie. OoKiE seems to still be barred up over his, so initially it should be Ok.