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pxpx · 2nd September 2015, 08:18

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farm...ytrade-auction

mother fucking crisis!

blynk · 2nd September 2015, 10:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by pxpx

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farm...ytrade-auction

mother fucking crisis!

Of course cutting the volume on sale will push the prices up.
100 units sold at $10 = $1000
80 units solds at $12.50 = $1250 but its a 25% increase in price. The economy is saved.

pxpx · 2nd September 2015, 11:04

Precisely the point, thank you

blynk · 2nd September 2015, 15:26

I wrote it, then realised that I wasn't entirely sure if there was sarcasm to your post. I decided there was so I left it.

pxpx · 4th September 2015, 08:25

Good to see the anti-smacking law has been effective at protecting kids, because that's what it was all about right?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11504460
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news...ectid=11503912
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news...ectid=11506697

fixed_truth · 4th September 2015, 12:14

Not really.

CCS · 4th September 2015, 12:24

I thought was because Somebody Has To Think Of The Children? Oh that's right, it was Sue Bradford's vanity project.

pxpx · 4th September 2015, 12:28

If laws (and amendments to laws) concerning child abuse don't exist to keep children safe, I'd love to hear what they are for then FT.

Lightspeed · 4th September 2015, 14:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by pxpx

Good to see the anti-smacking law has been effective at protecting kids, because that's what it was all about right?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11504460
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news...ectid=11503912
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news...ectid=11506697

Anti-smacking laws keep children safe like anti-gun laws keep guns out of the hands of criminals. I.E. they don't, other measures are required. We're currently opting not to take those measures, because we need to save money apparently.

pxpx · 4th September 2015, 14:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

Anti-smacking laws keep children safe like anti-gun laws keep guns out of the hands of criminals. I.E. they don't, other measures are required. We're currently opting not to take those measures, because we need to save money apparently.

So what you're saying is that we should license people to have children?

fixed_truth · 4th September 2015, 15:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by pxpx

If laws (and amendments to laws) concerning child abuse don't exist to keep children safe, I'd love to hear what they are for then FT.

The bill we're talking about removed a defense that some parents used to get off abusing their kids and thus was hindering police from acting in some situations.

pxpx · 4th September 2015, 16:00

Why do laws exist, FT? That's more my point about it.

Lightspeed · 4th September 2015, 16:41

Oh, is that all.

Ab · 4th September 2015, 17:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by pxpx

So what you're saying is that we should license people to have children?

a man can dream

Lightspeed · 4th September 2015, 17:02

Have you read Ancillary Justice? I think you'd like it.

fixed_truth · 4th September 2015, 17:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by pxpx

Why do laws exist, FT? That's more my point about it.

To protect people from being harmed by others would be one reason.

Nothing · 4th September 2015, 23:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by pxpx

Why do laws exist?

Tim Dare delivers an excellent postgraduate level philosophy of law course at UoA which deals with this question. If you'd really like to know, I'd recommend the course. It's really very good.

pxpx · 7th September 2015, 10:45

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...y-head-to-head

I'm trying to imagine Trump being the US President and I just can't.

Ab · 10th September 2015, 20:54

https://twitter.com/clarecurranmp/st...80865669124096

CCS · 10th September 2015, 21:32

Dr Rimmer. Huh huh huh huh huh.

crocos · 11th September 2015, 16:06

Lol, Curren implying she's got the first foggiest clue.

Lightspeed · 14th September 2015, 23:10

I remember when the British government fought right wing extremist values rather than engaging in them:

Jeremy Corbyn win: Conservative Party warning that new Labour leader is 'threat to national security' mocked on Twitter

Edit: I remember via history lessons, not my personal remembering.

Lightspeed · 15th September 2015, 15:09

The values of our generation:
Ostracised, sacked … and even arrested: the fate of whistleblowers at the UN

fixed_truth · 19th September 2015, 08:25

The polls have been quite erratic lately.

Quote:

During September support for National fell 6% to 44.5% now just behind a potential Labour/Greens alliance 46% (up 8%) according to the latest Roy Morgan New Zealand Poll. If a NZ Election were held now the latest New Zealand Roy Morgan Poll shows that the Election would be too close to call with fourth party New Zealand First in a position to pick New Zealand’s next Government.

http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/64...5-201509180721

Lightspeed · 20th September 2015, 15:08

PM's son's bimbo girlfriend deemed newsworthy:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/...ectid=11515876

My brand awareness sense is tingling.

Ab · 20th September 2015, 15:30

#jernalism

fixed_truth · 21st September 2015, 14:41

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opi...its-own-reward

Quote:

Being white is its own reward. It's like a scholarship from the get-go.

sidbo · 22nd September 2015, 14:46

crocos · 22nd September 2015, 14:49

Piggy looks like she's on Heroin.

CCS · 22nd September 2015, 14:55

That's not Piggy.

crocos · 22nd September 2015, 15:13

OK, what ever character that is. Still looks like it/she is drugged.

Lightspeed · 22nd September 2015, 16:34

Looks like Key and crew will secure their post-government employment after all:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ectid=11516583

I can't see any other reason why they would continue to support the TPP when it seems like it'll be a net loss for the country with dairy looking like it will fall through.

Delphinus · 22nd September 2015, 17:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

I can't see any other reason why they would continue to support the TPP when it seems like it'll be a net loss for the country with dairy looking like it will fall through.

Pretty much my thoughts too. What is the point?

Spoon1 · 22nd September 2015, 19:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

Looks like Key and crew will secure their post-government employment after all:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ectid=11516583

I can't see any other reason why they would continue to support the TPP when it seems like it'll be a net loss for the country with dairy looking like it will fall through.

Because Key has a hard-on for the USA and you can't be bum-buddies without taking their shaft.

It's depressing.

ZoSo · 30th September 2015, 11:58

Naturally, no Gordon Campbell link on this one.

Lightspeed · 5th October 2015, 14:59

I find it really awkward wanting someone to be dead:
Assad says no peace settlement until war against terrorists is won

It just seems that so many lives would be saved if Assad got taken out...

pxpx · 5th October 2015, 18:34

Is removing Assad the same as removing Saddam, just a decade-ish later?

Lightspeed · 5th October 2015, 20:36

No. These are the circumstances the US should have saved such an invasion for. When there's 250k people dead, mass migration from the region, evidence of chemical weapons attacks, no sane end in sight. That's when you send in the big boys and girls to calm everyone the fuck down and take the stick off the bully.

At least, that's how it looks from where I'm sitting.

pxpx · 6th October 2015, 09:23

Um, really?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Anfal_Campaign
"Some Kurdish sources put the number higher, estimating that 182,000 Kurds were killed"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_...eapons_program
"President Saddam Hussein (1937–2006) pursued the most extensive chemical program during the Iran-Iraq War (1980–1988), when he waged chemical warfare against his foe. He also used chemicals in 1988 in the Al-Anfal Campaign against his civilian Kurdish population and during a popular uprising in the south in 1991."

Quote:

Chemical Weapon Use in the Iran–Iraq War, 1983–1988

August 1983: Haij Umran – Mustard, fewer than 100 Iranian/Kurdish casualties
October–November 1983: Panjwin – Mustard, 3,000 Iranian/Kurdish casualties
February–March 1984: Majnoon Island – Mustard, 2,500 Iranian casualties
March 1984: al-Basrah – Tabun, 50–100 Iranian casualties
March 1985: Hawizah Marsh – Mustard and Tabun, 3,000 Iranian casualties
February 1986: al-Faw – Mustard and Tabun, 8,000 to 10,000 Iranian casualties
December 1986: Um ar-Rasas – Mustard, 1,000s Iranian casualties
April 1987: al-Basrah – Mustard and Tabun, 5,000 Iranian casualties
October 1987: Sumar/Mehran – Mustard and nerve agent, 3,000 Iranian casualties
March 1988: Halabjah and Kurdish area – Mustard and nerve agent, 1,000s Kurdish/Iranian casualties
April 1988: al-Faw – Mustard and nerve agent, 1,000s Iranian casualties
May 1988: Fish Lake – Mustard and nerve agent, 100s or 1,000s Iranian casualties
June 1988: Majnoon Island – Mustard and nerve agent, 100s or 1,000s Iranian casualties
July 1988: South-central border – Mustard and nerve agent, 100s or 1,000s Iranian casualties

Lightspeed · 6th October 2015, 14:23

Yeah, really. Consider all the factors, not just the one or two that are equitable with Iraq.

The scale and nature of the conflict are different. And the US wasn't going in to resolve the issues you are referring to, which is why the US invaded Iraq on a falsehood, and so lost the support necessary to stay and finish the job of stabilisation.

The numbers I quoted aren't the highest estimates, more likely many more have been killed. The deaths in Syria so far could be as high as 330k.

There looks to be no resolution in Syria until one side or the other is completely subdued, which doesn't look likely in the near term, which means we will see many more deaths yet. Iraq was relatively stable when the US invaded it.

Then there is the great volume of internal displacement in Syria and the impact on the greater region due to mass migration.

Of course, the argument gets complicated by the fact that what's happening in Syria probably wouldn't be if the US didn't invade Iraq.

4th September 2015, 12:24	#3327
CCS Stunt Pants	I thought was because Somebody Has To Think Of The Children? Oh that's right, it was Sue Bradford's vanity project. __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

10th September 2015, 21:32	#3340
CCS Stunt Pants	Dr Rimmer. Huh huh huh huh huh. __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

22nd September 2015, 14:46	#3348
sidbo Raptus regaliter	Relevant to the thread

22nd September 2015, 14:55	#3350
CCS Stunt Pants	That's not Piggy. __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

2nd September 2015, 08:18	#3321
pxpx	http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farm...ytrade-auction mother fucking crisis!

2nd September 2015, 11:04	#3323
pxpx	Precisely the point, thank you

2nd September 2015, 15:26	#3324
blynk	I wrote it, then realised that I wasn't entirely sure if there was sarcasm to your post. I decided there was so I left it.

4th September 2015, 08:25	#3325
pxpx	Good to see the anti-smacking law has been effective at protecting kids, because that's what it was all about right? http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11504460 http://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news...ectid=11503912 http://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news...ectid=11506697

4th September 2015, 12:14	#3326
fixed_truth	Not really. __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.

4th September 2015, 12:28	#3328
pxpx	If laws (and amendments to laws) concerning child abuse don't exist to keep children safe, I'd love to hear what they are for then FT.

4th September 2015, 16:00	#3332
pxpx	Why do laws exist, FT? That's more my point about it. Last edited by pxpx : 4th September 2015 at 16:02.

4th September 2015, 16:41	#3333
Lightspeed	Oh, is that all. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

4th September 2015, 17:02	#3335
Lightspeed	Have you read Ancillary Justice? I think you'd like it. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

7th September 2015, 10:45	#3338
pxpx	http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...y-head-to-head I'm trying to imagine Trump being the US President and I just can't.

10th September 2015, 20:54	#3339
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	https://twitter.com/clarecurranmp/st...80865669124096

11th September 2015, 16:06	#3341
crocos	Lol, Curren implying she's got the first foggiest clue. __________________ Ξ √ Ω L U T ↑ ☼ N وكل يوم كنت تعيش في العبودية

14th September 2015, 23:10	#3342
Lightspeed	I remember when the British government fought right wing extremist values rather than engaging in them: Jeremy Corbyn win: Conservative Party warning that new Labour leader is 'threat to national security' mocked on Twitter Edit: I remember via history lessons, not my personal remembering. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

15th September 2015, 15:09	#3343
Lightspeed	The values of our generation: Ostracised, sacked … and even arrested: the fate of whistleblowers at the UN __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

20th September 2015, 15:08	#3345
Lightspeed	PM's son's bimbo girlfriend deemed newsworthy: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/...ectid=11515876 My brand awareness sense is tingling. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

20th September 2015, 15:30	#3346
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	#jernalism

22nd September 2015, 14:49	#3349
crocos	Piggy looks like she's on Heroin. __________________ Ξ √ Ω L U T ↑ ☼ N وكل يوم كنت تعيش في العبودية

22nd September 2015, 15:13	#3351
crocos	OK, what ever character that is. Still looks like it/she is drugged. __________________ Ξ √ Ω L U T ↑ ☼ N وكل يوم كنت تعيش في العبودية

22nd September 2015, 16:34	#3352
Lightspeed	Looks like Key and crew will secure their post-government employment after all: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ectid=11516583 I can't see any other reason why they would continue to support the TPP when it seems like it'll be a net loss for the country with dairy looking like it will fall through. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

30th September 2015, 11:58	#3355
ZoSo	Naturally, no Gordon Campbell link on this one.

5th October 2015, 14:59	#3356
Lightspeed	I find it really awkward wanting someone to be dead: Assad says no peace settlement until war against terrorists is won It just seems that so many lives would be saved if Assad got taken out... __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

5th October 2015, 18:34	#3357
pxpx	Is removing Assad the same as removing Saddam, just a decade-ish later?

5th October 2015, 20:36	#3358
Lightspeed	No. These are the circumstances the US should have saved such an invasion for. When there's 250k people dead, mass migration from the region, evidence of chemical weapons attacks, no sane end in sight. That's when you send in the big boys and girls to calm everyone the fuck down and take the stick off the bully. At least, that's how it looks from where I'm sitting. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

6th October 2015, 14:23	#3360
Lightspeed	Yeah, really. Consider all the factors, not just the one or two that are equitable with Iraq. The scale and nature of the conflict are different. And the US wasn't going in to resolve the issues you are referring to, which is why the US invaded Iraq on a falsehood, and so lost the support necessary to stay and finish the job of stabilisation. The numbers I quoted aren't the highest estimates, more likely many more have been killed. The deaths in Syria so far could be as high as 330k. There looks to be no resolution in Syria until one side or the other is completely subdued, which doesn't look likely in the near term, which means we will see many more deaths yet. Iraq was relatively stable when the US invaded it. Then there is the great volume of internal displacement in Syria and the impact on the greater region due to mass migration. Of course, the argument gets complicated by the fact that what's happening in Syria probably wouldn't be if the US didn't invade Iraq. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.