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5th December 2016, 14:00 | #1 | |
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John Key resigns as PM
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11760656
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5th December 2016, 14:04 | #2 |
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welp gg
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5th December 2016, 14:07 | #3 |
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So guesses on what happened?
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5th December 2016, 14:15 | #4 |
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Max refused to partner for golf with Trump
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5th December 2016, 14:28 | #5 | |
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More likely personal decision rather than political. Why would the National Party try and roll him with their current popularity (if only Labour did this now). I sense we will look back on this in a couple of years and see this as the demise of the NP. They will change PM and then there will be in fighting and leadership changes. Last edited by blynk : 5th December 2016 at 14:30. |
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5th December 2016, 14:33 | #6 | |
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5th December 2016, 14:36 | #7 |
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Lurking that long in Mt Roskill, surrounded by Labour, would do that. Hawaii would be calling loud.
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5th December 2016, 14:47 | #8 |
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If you're over it, you're over it. He's massively popular and the party he leads is polling at 50%. NZ PMs don't get to go out on top, I don't think it's happened in the past hundred years. They get knifed or they get voted out. JK breaks the mold again.
I'm not happy though, because the world is fucked. It's been reassuring to know that NZ was in the hands of a guy who is genuinely popular and who is a sensible centrist with leftie tendencies. |
5th December 2016, 14:48 | #9 |
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Yeah I would say it's for family reasons. If it didn't leave now then he could of been stuck in the job until 2020
He'll be looked back upon as our most loved and most hated PM.
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5th December 2016, 14:55 | #10 |
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Clearly scared Of Holt.
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5th December 2016, 15:43 | #11 | |
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5th December 2016, 15:55 | #12 |
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Maybe he's gonn go chill with Obama.
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5th December 2016, 17:15 | #13 | |
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5th December 2016, 17:23 | #14 | |
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5th December 2016, 18:08 | #15 | |
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National is also squandering NZ's social capital to keep some backwards thinkers happy so they can stay in power. That's going to leave a long, painful legacy. That said, it's an unfortunate truth that amongst the current stock of world leaders, JK looks pretty good.
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5th December 2016, 18:26 | #16 |
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As far as I can tell the biggest problem facing the Western world is old angry white men, because they fuck up everything they touch.
How's this for a theory: a world in which the influence of old angry white men is growing is a world in which New Zealand's governing party HAS to accommodate Winston Peters. Maybe JK just looked ahead to the next election and the thought of having to give the old vampire a seat at the big table... and went "yeah, nah". |
5th December 2016, 18:42 | #17 |
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Winston can't live forever.
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5th December 2016, 19:20 | #18 |
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He's been looking shaky for years. But all he has to do is make it to the next campaign and life is miserable. If that's one of the things on Key's mind, then fuck yeah retire at the top.
Seriously, as of his last day Key has won the game. Undefeated multi-term Prime Minister leaving with his party more popular than when he took office. Nothing his opponents have done has touched him. |
5th December 2016, 20:52 | #19 | |
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5th December 2016, 21:25 | #20 |
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Lul wat?
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5th December 2016, 21:43 | #21 |
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Yea, smudge, you're dead right. History will show that John Key did everything he could to remain in power. Even resigning!
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5th December 2016, 23:08 | #22 |
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See that's just how power hungry he is.
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5th December 2016, 23:56 | #23 |
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I'm still not sure whose future he sold out and what that future was.
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6th December 2016, 00:08 | #24 |
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Maybe he resigned when he could no longer hold onto power? Maybe he's now looking forward to enjoying the fruits of his position without the scrutiny? We don't really know what's up. But I guess it's clear the story we each prefer.
"Keep Winny from power" isn't a very impressive resume. Is that worth the problems we've inherited? Is a billion dollar prison really the spending priority of a leftie?
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6th December 2016, 01:46 | #25 |
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Dunno, but legalising gay marriage and free doctors' visits for children, etc, sure ain't the legislative priorities of a rightie.
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6th December 2016, 07:54 | #26 |
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lolspeed strikes again
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6th December 2016, 11:22 | #27 |
HENCE WHY FOREVER ALONE
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I blame John Keys
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6th December 2016, 12:18 | #28 |
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I'll give John a B. Had he not sold assets & stopped Cullen fund payments for tax cuts then he could've made a B+. But then when you take into consideration education, health, surveillance, poverty, housing & govt. debt then maybe I'm being generous. Gonna miss that cheeky smile though.
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6th December 2016, 13:23 | #29 | |
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As a politician I rate him as an A- on a bad day, off the scale on a good day. But as a Prime Minister I think your ratings are pretty sane. I wish he was retiring a bit less popular for having expended some popularity on doing stuff that needed to be done. |
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6th December 2016, 13:32 | #30 |
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At a time when the rest of the world seems to be slowly eating itself and/or imploding in spectacular fashion, and considering some of the NZ specific hurdles that came his way, I think JK did a pretty good job of getting NZ through.
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6th December 2016, 15:00 | #31 |
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English? Not feeling it.
Coleman? Not feeling it. Collins? Not feeling it. |
6th December 2016, 15:04 | #32 |
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Prime Minister Crusher. DO IT!
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6th December 2016, 15:08 | #33 | |
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6th December 2016, 15:28 | #34 | |
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In any case, during a time where NZ repeatedly demonstrated its economically robust nature on the world stage, the foundations of which predate any recent prime ministers, on balance JK tipped our resources away from those in need to those who already have much. The justification being financial prudence. Rather than seeing the strength of NZ and continuing to feed what built that strength.
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6th December 2016, 15:50 | #35 |
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It's easy to say "oh it was inevitable" years afterwards. Of our English-speaking OECD peers only Canada legislated for same-sex marriage before NZ. The UK, after us; the USA, after us; Australia still hasn't.
Can you think of any "right wing" leader in the world whose party has done anything remotely comparable with the Ngāi Tūhoe settlement which removed Te Urewera from the National Parks Act? with restoring the right of Māori to seek customary title through the courts? Would a "right wing" leader go on a Keynsian public-works spending spree funded by public debt (roads, Chch, etc) as Key has done? Would a "right wing" leader publicly lend his name and support to a campaign to discard our colonial flag in favour of a unique flag that reflected our identity? Would a "right wing" leader not only retain the social policies of the left government he replaced (e.g. Working for Families) but increase benefit spending? Summary: a centrist with leftie tendencies. Anyone who argues for Key as a right-wing ideologue is fucking blinded by their own dogma. He's rich, and took control of the National Party, so he must be right-wing. |
6th December 2016, 17:09 | #36 | |
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6th December 2016, 18:40 | #37 |
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I think JK was flexible and so was sometimes right-wing, sometimes a centrist and sometimes left-wing. I do think if you weighed up the past 8 years he would be centre-right.
I know this is National and not JK but I assume it's based on policy.
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6th December 2016, 19:02 | #38 |
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As previously commented, any graph that lists ACT as "authoritarian" is worth what you paid for it.
But you're correct in pointing out that JK is not the National Party. Which is important, because he has changed it to be more like him. I think JK is the greatest thing to happen to National in forever, because he's pulled it away from oldwhitemalecountryconservativeness and to the centre where the people and the votes are. You think the party of "Springbok Tour" Muldoon and "Fiscal Envelope" Bolger and "Iwi/Kiwi" Brash would be out there settling Treaty claims and giving same-sex couples the right to marry without John Key? |
6th December 2016, 19:25 | #39 |
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I still think there might be something come out of Pike River. Maybe enough to sink national in the coming months. That kind of gamble might have played on his mind too.
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6th December 2016, 20:12 | #40 |
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Yeah and I'm sure the Benghazi smoking gun was in Hillary's deleted emails too.
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