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6th December 2011, 11:55 | #1 | ||
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Charter schools trial
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6th December 2011, 11:59 | #2 |
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Time to home school.
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6th December 2011, 12:08 | #3 |
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...cience-reading
I for one agree with the Government. We should follow the education model of countries performing worse than us (US, UK). |
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6th December 2011, 12:42 | #5 |
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6th December 2011, 13:20 | #7 |
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Personally I consider the US school system a crime against humanity and find any attempt to replicate it in NZ abhorrent. But this is the government people voted for.
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6th December 2011, 13:25 | #8 |
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I won't defend this shitty idea but I find the "NZ IS DOING REALLY WELL IN EDUCATION; LOOK AT OUR RANKINGS" talk laughable. Anyone who's tutored or lectured in one of our universities will see what sort of deadbeats our secondary school system produces.
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6th December 2011, 13:29 | #9 | |
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6th December 2011, 13:31 | #10 |
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I'm not saying the NZ system is without flaws; just that applying a (comparatively) worse system perhaps isn't the best way to go about fixing them.
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6th December 2011, 13:35 | #11 | |
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6th December 2011, 13:39 | #12 | |
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Whilst I recognise that you are obviously a very intelligent person I'll take the evidence over your "experiences" any day. If our system is such shit then it seems strange that our export education sector is so strong in relation to other comparable countries (including Aussie, UK, US and many many parts of Europe) - not only at tertiary level but also at secondary (and even to some degree primary) level. Pixie
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6th December 2011, 21:31 | #13 |
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i think cyc is bruised by the smug,entitled fucks that make up about 50% of our law students.
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6th December 2011, 21:47 | #14 | |
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6th December 2011, 22:59 | #15 | |
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Pixie: Define "strong". The market is quite a funny old thing in terms of telling you what people consider most valuable. Ever noticed why people flood to study in Australia, Europe and the US despite institutions there charging fees multiple times higher than ours? And what you don't get is that the people I teach are admitted to degrees with the highest entry requirements in general. It's not an unreasonable assumption to make that they are supposed to be some of our best students. If you're impressed by people who can't ever use the apostrophe properly, can't make a proper deductive argument, and can't actually enunciate multple syllable words properly (things that I regularly see), I'd suggest you get yourself higher standards. Last edited by cyc : 6th December 2011 at 23:03. |
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6th December 2011, 23:18 | #16 | |
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what a fucking douche
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6th December 2011, 23:25 | #17 |
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"that's MMP for you, isn't it?"
What he is really saying is: if the people of Epsom who voted for Labour candidate had voted for National candidate instead then ACT would've been wiped off and we wouldn't have this situation.
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6th December 2011, 23:31 | #18 | |
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6th December 2011, 23:36 | #19 |
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yes it is.
go have a crywank about those poor,poor people you didnt get to pro bono. c-o-c-k.
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7th December 2011, 00:08 | #22 | ||
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How could you stoop to challenge" me on the relative entry requirement of various degrees when you don't even have an argument? Don't make me laugh, chum. Anyone who's not brain dead knows that law, medicine and health science (including post-grad courses for such - which I've taught) have some of the highest entry requirements. I am not talking about a BA in Sociology. Last edited by cyc : 7th December 2011 at 00:09. |
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7th December 2011, 07:18 | #24 |
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Based on overseas models in the United States and Britain, it will allow entities such as private businesses, church groups, iwi organisations, charities, or existing schools to take over the management of failing schools and retain state funding.
Does this raise a huge red flag for anyone else? |
7th December 2011, 07:54 | #25 |
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Man they seem to be going hard out to get rid the state integrated Steiner schools. First National Standards, now this.
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7th December 2011, 08:28 | #26 | |
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7th December 2011, 09:19 | #27 | |
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There's no red flag at all - other than as a political gesture of the desperate. Of course, if you're a labour supported this will look evil. Schools are going to be HELD ACCOUNTABLE for the outcomes they achieve and if they prove incapable of delivery they're going to get spanked with a very big stick. Hell, next it will be the teachers individually that are held accountable - unions and incompetent teachers are going to scream murder. What I suggest is stand there with a clipboard, write down these teacher's names, and then fire them on the spot - those self-selecting that they're incapable probably are and for the sake of our children they need to go. Remember 9 out of 10 kids that succeed in education all represent votes lost to labour. Having kids succeed just is not the stuff of keeping half of the voting population believing they're poor. Measurement, accountability and consequences: it's about time schools had all of these. |
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7th December 2011, 09:34 | #28 |
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7th December 2011, 11:09 | #31 |
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As somebody who's particularly interested in primary/secondary education, the idea of introducing charter schools is actually quite exciting. I'm all for alternative approaches to education (what a surprise coming from the Green-voting home educating hippy). OTOH, National seem to be bent on screwing up education in NZ - national standards, decreased funding for early childhood centres with 80% or more fully qualified staff - so I'm also somewhat wary of this new initiative.
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7th December 2011, 11:48 | #32 |
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I really don't know enough about this national standards carry on - so can someone explain in layman terms why it appears to be so unpopular? I can't seem to figure out why it's such a problem to bring in a standard measure for a kids intelligence?
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7th December 2011, 11:59 | #33 | ||
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I think that iwi run charter schools would be a great way to help Maori students at the bottom of the education system.
My concern with 'for profit' charter schools is that because it's inconclusive at best that they will help those at the bottom it seems the basis for setting up charter schools is largely ideological. Obviously NZ's system is failing many students but IMO the fact that NZ's education system is regularly at the top of OCED rankings suggest that there are a lot of other external factors at play here rather than simply the system being shit. Interesting article http://www.nybooks.com/articles/arch...gination=false Quote:
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7th December 2011, 13:15 | #34 | |
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7th December 2011, 13:42 | #35 |
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If it's done right before hand you won't need to go into all the hassle of trying to identify bad teaching later.
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7th December 2011, 13:49 | #36 |
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Any organisation that regards identifying poor staff as a hassle deserves to fail.
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7th December 2011, 13:56 | #37 | |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc I'm serious, watch that video, it's not long |
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7th December 2011, 14:24 | #39 |
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"I think that iwi run charter schools would be a great way to help Maori students at the bottom of the education system. "
I'm all ears.Please explain. |
7th December 2011, 14:32 | #40 | |
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As a parent I fucking love the shit out of national standards testing and publicly-available school comparisons. LOVE that shit. Australia's education policy in this regard is one of the few ways in which Australia kicks NZ's arse. |
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