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Old 11th October 2022, 13:04     #1761
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The patient must meet the internationally agreed criteria for genital reconstruction
(WPATH SOC v7 2011):
a. persistent, well-documented gender dysphoria
b. capacity to make a fully informed decision and to consent for treatment
c. age 18 years or older
d. if significant medical or mental health concerns are present they must be well controlled
e. 12 continuous months of hormone therapy as appropriate to the patient’s gender goals (unless hormones are
not clinically indicated for the individual)
f. 12 continuous months of living in a gender role that is congruent with their gender identity.
https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/...urgery-service
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Old 11th October 2022, 13:26     #1762
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I acknowledge that there are some things that people do grow out of. Is it clear cut that Gender dysphoria is one of them? You seem very confident. I'm not so sure.

In studies to date 61-88% of children expressing gender dysphoria "grow out of it". That's either "most of them" or "almost all of them". Sucks if you got your breasts cut off before that though.

https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/...AAP-Policy.pdf

If you did have irreversible surgery or treatment before you had a chance to grow out of dysphoria, you must be really upset and/or require lifelong ongoing medical treatment. Will that be cash or charge?
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Old 11th October 2022, 13:31     #1763
Lightspeed
 
The knowledge and expertise exists in helping people figure this stuff out. To ensure that 12-39% of people get their needs met.

But people want to pay off their houses as soon as possible so they can go on international holidays every year, so... 🤷
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Old 11th October 2022, 13:38     #1764
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Meanwhile in Kaitaia, kids are eating out of rubbish bins

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/childr...UU2IGGG64PGUE/

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Old 11th October 2022, 20:46     #1765
fixed_truth
 
Kids aren't eating out rubbish bins because transgender people have access to healthcare.

A shortage of resources happens because as a society we're not ready to evolve past neoliberalism.
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Old 11th October 2022, 21:21     #1766
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Oh, I thought xor was demonstrating the existence of the inequality I was talking about.
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Old 12th October 2022, 01:38     #1767
Ab
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lol the White House just confirmed that transgender males have to register for military service because they’re men, but transgender females don’t because they’re women

https://americanmilitarynews.com/202...-dont-have-to/
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Old 12th October 2022, 09:41     #1768
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Oh, I thought xor was demonstrating the existence of the inequality I was talking about.
Yep, pretty much. Also demonstrating that people would rather focus on a crusade that affects an infantile portion of NZ's society and then neglect the other gaping wounds that exist throughout NZ.

But hey, as Ab pointed out; there's money to be made out there. And altruistic politicians can hide behind some crusade that'll never get solved in the first place and neglect the dumpster fire that is poverty in nz.

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A shortage of resources happens because as a society we're not ready to evolve past neoliberalism.
The increased number of govt workers and spending tells me NZ is not a neolib society.
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Old 12th October 2022, 10:36     #1769
fixed_truth
 
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Yep, pretty much. Also demonstrating that people would rather focus on a crusade that affects an infantile portion of NZ's society and then neglect the other gaping wounds that exist throughout NZ.

But hey, as Ab pointed out; there's money to be made out there. And altruistic politicians can hide behind some crusade that'll never get solved in the first place and neglect the dumpster fire that is poverty in nz.
That's a false binary. You can simultaneously think that healthcare for transgender people is important AND that addressing poverty is also important. The govt. funds a lot of different things that some people find valuable and others don't. The real problem is that there's a scarcity of resources due to factors including a concentration of wealth & resources at the top.
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The increased number of govt workers and spending tells me NZ is not a neolib society.
That doesn't mean NZ isn't neolib

I'm frustrated that this Labour govt. hasn't been more transformative.
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Old 12th October 2022, 10:45     #1770
Ab
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Look you fucks, this is the Internet, NZG OD for god’s sake, you’re not supposed to be posting things that we can all agree on.
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Old 12th October 2022, 10:57     #1771
xor
 
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That's a false binary. You can simultaneously think that healthcare for transgender people is important AND that addressing poverty is also important.
Trans rights is topic du jour for media outlets and people on the internet. Nobody wants to talk about brown kids eating from a garbage can. That's too real, doesn't generate profit, and makes the party of the people(lol) look like they don't give a fuck(which they don't).
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Old 12th October 2022, 11:59     #1772
fixed_truth
 
From mainstream news outlets within the past day.

New Zealand ranked 136th in world on fair wealth distribution leading to call for new tax
Here's what you need to be in New Zealand's top 1%
Report reveals vast inequality for Pasifika workers
Redesign Tax To Work For Everyone

Who are you going to vote for xor? If inequality and poverty is genuinely something you care about then you can't vote National or ACT. Greens? TOP?
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Old 12th October 2022, 13:03     #1773
xor
 
Yep, it gets lip service but nobody is ever held to account. Old mate is the minister of child poverty, I think I read somewhere that she's spent an average of 40min per month on the portfolio. Jack Tame tried to hold her to account once but got some absolute BS response.

As for who am i going to vote for? I don't believe any party on the left can claim to care for inequality and poverty at all. The likes of national don't have the creativity to create a market with effective working conditions that will enable people to get ahead. And I think politicians and govt departments are rotten to the core and won't help anyone.

If anyone, i'd vote for TOP.
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Old 12th October 2022, 13:12     #1774
Lightspeed
 
The government is held to account by the way we vote, assuming our democracy is authentic.

We're held to account by reality. If we invest ourselves into what offers genuine returns, we benefit. If we neglect that which genuinely needs support, we suffer.

We can attempt to ensure our own people reap all the benefit, and all the suffering is held by others. We can complain about socialism or communism all we want, but ultimately we're all in each other's light cones, we're all in this together.
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Old 13th October 2022, 00:52     #1775
Nothing
 
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Look you fucks, this is the Internet, NZG OD for god’s sake, you’re not supposed to be posting things that we can all agree on.
Hear hear! This forum has a long and storied history of intractable irrational disagreements! Down with the voice of reason! Down with feeling inside (and stuff like that)!
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Old 13th October 2022, 09:31     #1776
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If anyone, i'd vote for TOP.
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Old 14th October 2022, 10:14     #1777
Ab
A mariachi ogre snorkel
 
This story is awful in a thousand different ways

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-son-week.html
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Old 14th October 2022, 13:29     #1778
Ab
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Creative New Zealand has ceased funding the NZ secondary school Shakespeare Festival festival.

A CNZ advisory board member wrote in a statement that the festival didn’t receive funding because it focuses on “a canon of imperialism”.
Cancelling the (checks notes) gayest queerest crossdressingest writer in the history of the English language is a weird flex
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Old 14th October 2022, 17:04     #1779
xor
 
So good
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Old 14th October 2022, 23:47     #1780
Lightspeed
 
Graham Norton Argues Cancel Culture Is “Wrong Word,” Says It Should Be “Accountability”

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In a video from an interview with the TV host at the Cheltenham Literature Festival that was posted online Wednesday, Norton said it felt absurd that many of those who complained about being “canceled” were then able to talk about their cancellation in newspapers and in interviews.

“The word is the wrong word,” he said. “I think the word should be accountability.”

[...]

Norton used John Cleese, who has become an ardent campaigner against cancel culture (and is set to make the subject a regular topic on his newly-announced show on right-leaning network GB News), as an example.

“It must be very hard to be a man of a certain age, who’s been allowed to say what he wants for years, and now suddenly there’s some accountability. It’s free speech, but it’s not consequence-free.”
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Old 15th October 2022, 02:25     #1781
Ab
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I didn’t realise Norton was so young that he doesn’t remember Cleese going to bat against the Anglican Church for The Life of Brian
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Old 15th October 2022, 07:54     #1782
Lightspeed
 
Maybe he does remember?
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Old 15th October 2022, 10:40     #1783
fixed_truth
 
Jesus Rowling is an insufferable self-absorbed twat. Way to prove Norton's point.
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Old 17th October 2022, 21:41     #1784
Ab
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Male autogynephiles fetishising womanhood is weird enough, but when they do it to girlhood it’s fucking creepy

https://twitter.com/ultabeauty/statu...04338761650176
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Old 18th October 2022, 12:13     #1785
Lightspeed
 
facepalm

PM Jacinda Ardern says funding for school Shakespeare festival to continue

So an event that was already confirmed would continue by organisers without this funding, gets to keep this public money because the change was successfully framed as "cancelling Shakespeare".

Like funding isn't desperately needed everywhere in our public education system.

I guess it shows how vulnerable Labour are feeling.
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Old 18th October 2022, 12:41     #1786
Ab
A mariachi ogre snorkel
 
The moment Jacinda made the frowny face everyone knew this money was gonna come from somewhere. But the whole thing is a farce and just shows, yes, how fucked up education is in NZ. $30K is a rounding error. BUT IMPERIALISM!!1
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Old 18th October 2022, 13:03     #1787
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Societal masturbation.
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Old 18th October 2022, 13:46     #1788
Lightspeed
 
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$30K is a rounding error. BUT IMPERIALISM!!1
It's not if you're on the wrong end of our imperial history.

Is Creative NZ going to get another $30k for its budget, or will that funding be pulled from elsewhere?
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Old 18th October 2022, 13:56     #1789
Ab
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It's not if you're on the wrong end of our imperial history.

Is Creative NZ going to get another $30k for its budget, or will that funding be pulled from elsewhere?
By the looks of the text in that article, Jacinda is instructing Chris Hipkins to instruct the Ministry of Education to fund Shakespeare Globe Centre New Zealand directly, bypassing Creative New Zealand. Labour damage control, in other words. I'm not sure how she has that authority, but can't have something happen that makes Jacinda look bad on teh socials.
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Old 18th October 2022, 15:51     #1790
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HENCE WHY FOREVER ALONE
 
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or will that funding be pulled from elsewhere?
Governments run on Modern Monetary Theory now. There is no fixed budget, and it's spend first, tax later. You just allocate numbers to things, and print your way out.

I also made the mistake of thinking that governments had to spend from a limited tax base and that numbers had to balance, but apparently that's "outdated nonsense", and although MMT causes inflation, it's fine, and it's only temporary, and our economy is just a social construct.
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Old 19th October 2022, 09:43     #1791
Ab
A mariachi ogre snorkel
 
Quote:
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It's not if you're on the wrong end of our imperial history.
Shakespeare lived, wrote, and died before the British Empire even existed. Hell, before the United Kingdom even existed.


Quote:
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$30K is a rounding error. BUT IMPERIALISM!!1
As noted by other commentators, the amount is approximately 0.5% of the funding that Creative NZ gives to The Spinoff alone.

This is woke virtue-signaling by activists at a Wellington govt agency who never imagined for a second that “decolonising” isn’t a religion for everyone else.
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Old 19th October 2022, 12:02     #1792
Lightspeed
 
You're so cringe Ab, what the fuck happened to you?

This is what happens to people when they enjoy some equity.

Forget the endless events that would love $1k funding, $5k funding. Fuck their poverty needs! The cunts! They'd probably just waste it, useless brown buggers.

Amirite, Ab? Let's just get hung up cause someone said something bad about colonisation. How DARE they!

Fuck me. All the while schools rot, kids see gangs as the way to improve their circumstances.
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Old 19th October 2022, 14:41     #1793
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Shakespeare rocks, end of.
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Old 19th October 2022, 15:05     #1794
Ab
A mariachi ogre snorkel
 
Like Jacinda, I believe that all children be they ne’er so vile deserve equitable access to hear and perform the works of the greatest author in one of our official languages.
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Old 19th October 2022, 15:07     #1795
Lightspeed
 
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Shakespeare rocks, end of.
This is why it's so fucking cringe. People are standing up for Shakespeare, as if Shakespeare is going anywhere.

It goes to show how deluded people are, how wrapped up in fear it's their privilege that will be cancelled.
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Old 19th October 2022, 15:13     #1796
xor
 
Yeah, creative NZ are pretty deluded alright. Glad we agree on that
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Old 19th October 2022, 15:38     #1797
Redneck
 
Teaching Shakespeare to new generations = cringe. Got it
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Old 19th October 2022, 16:18     #1798
Lightspeed
 
So you're playing along? Pretending like something other than what's happened, happened?

Why?
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Old 19th October 2022, 16:25     #1799
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Lightspeed mah dude, this isn't TikTok. A boomer like you calling things cringe is cringe.
Comes across as a desperate attempt to be 'with it'
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Old 19th October 2022, 16:27     #1800
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Tell us more about you, if gotta.
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