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2nd July 2020, 20:24 | #881 |
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You asserted that understanding the origins of this pandemic has no value. I pointed out that it does in fact have value, which you accepted. There’s not much else to say on the matter.
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2nd July 2020, 20:48 | #882 |
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I'm puzzled about the subsequent comments which appear to miss the point of my car analogy, which my comment about the value of pursing the origins of the pandemic was couched by.
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Indoor vs outdoors spread of the virus may be explained by its evolutionary origins (ie a lab). I reckon it's a mystery worth solving regardless the political egg on faces that may result.
Knowing gain of function lab experimentation and sloppy decontamination practice resulted in a global pandemic would warrant more regulation and oversight on this branch of virology. If so, maybe we should do the investigstion and get those regulations in place before we are dealing with multiple pandemics simultaneously. |
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2nd July 2020, 21:56 | #885 |
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I don’t see a lot of ambiguity, but no argument from me about prevalent antiscientific attitudes (or just scientific ignorance) in politics.
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Given we're not acting on what we know now, what good is more knowledge? All we need is our guy to say "nup" to the advice of much more appropriate experts and we're on board. I trust China will be much more active in pursuing this research, they have a vested interest in finding out what happened. I suspect any meaningful research in the West will be perpetrated by the wicked deep state, occurring outside the awareness of elected leadership. (For the Ajax's of the forum, I'm not advocating an end to the pursuit of knowledge, I'm suggesting our pursuit of knowledge is not what's in need of attention here.)
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Fair point, I keep forgetting that tribal truth and individual truth beats evidence-based truth. And I agree, even if an investigation was successful, one tribe will claim it's true and the opposing tribe will take the contrary position. We'll just end up with more disagreement and more stalemate.
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So while I understand the reservations about research, I think the issue is more with the mechanisms in which they are being released. A million half arsed 'scientific' investigations releasing propaganda, isn't science. It's religion. We have to find a way to sort the wheat from the chaff. Typically it's called Peer Review. Our science has to find a way back to that, rather than this push and publish bs we're seeing at the moment. |
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You make a good point, alas IMO the last "glut of evidence" was WWII. It was firmly demonstrated to deluded leaders and their followers what actual competence is.
As has been pointed out, our formal systems of knowledge are still relatively healthy. If they're declining it's because of a neglect felt everywhere. It's informal systems of knowledge that are failing, something I think we see even here. We get wrapped up churning over painful shit that generates no outcome whatever conclusion we draw. Figuring out not what's true or not, but how do we engage with each other given the divisions we have and the need to coherent action. China has a way. I think it's awful. Upon hearing how the Chinese government was talking about consequences for the civil disruption in Hong Kong, I reflected on how that's a one-way street, given Hong Kong citizens are unable to impose consequences on the government, a right Westerners enjoy as given. At this point though all our options are awful. They get worse by the day because we're unable to face these awful options. We know what's outside. We need to look inside. That's what we're ignoring right now. That's what I propose. For instance, there is no pressing need to know how effective masks are. It's the standard of care we have, so until robust evidence comes along that's what we do. But who hasn't been caught up in their own narrative about masks? That's bullshit that's costing lives. It's not USEFUL for us to be cooking up these stories for ourselves, we NEED to have trust in institutions, else we die preventable deaths. But we don't and that's a problem that needs solving. It's much more pressing than the specifics of this pandemic which will no doubt be researched in any case, with little to nothing to be gained from our musings and finger pointing right now. Anyway, just bouncing ideas.
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The biggest hurdle right now is... Trump. His hyper active supporters are low income, low education sycophants. Dare I say redneck, in a hypersensitive world of racial discrimination?
It is Trump's push to move the narrative away from Covid that is driving the wedge between science and "the masses". With Trump downplaying the effectiveness of the mask, his die harders won't follow CDC directives. If one sect doesn't follow suit, the unsure are less likely to mask also, and if you have two sect's not wearing masks, you now have a problem. Trump has done such a good job of conflating mask wearing, with first amendment rights, gun control, and elitism, it's going to be hard to break those stigmas. Remove Trump... problem PARTIALLY solved. |
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Victoria reports 108 new coronavirus cases, as 'hard lockdown' announced for nine public housing towers
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/victoria...housing-towers Effective immediately, housing towers on lockdown with around 500 police assigned to enforcement. ACAB - Aussie Cops Are Benevolent |
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It's basically gallows humour now, there's no shortage of it. It's so good/bad.
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SciShow describing some of the after-effects of even asymtomatic patients
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIJYfsOyO4M
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This is rage inducing, quarantine jumper goes to supermarket:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...r-covid-escape Dunno who that fuckwit was, but I want him to do prison time, and a lot of it. |
8th July 2020, 19:05 | #897 |
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In today’s schadenfreude update, Jair Bolsonaro’s luck finally runs out and he tests positive.
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Latest from the wonderful world of we don't know what the fuck this virus does:
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9th July 2020, 19:41 | #901 |
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Interesting opinion piece by a NZ journo working for Al Jazeera panning NZ's media in their handling of the virus.
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Have been looking at options for moving back to NZ to escape the madness that is Victoria. Alas it's looking less than practical right now.
Selfish? Yes - I thought I established that previously
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Move to Queensland, maaaaate.
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14th July 2020, 18:59 | #906 |
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As if anyone's allowed in or out of Victoria right now.
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NSW / VIC border is shut. Even Wodonga / Albury travel is limited.
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And some good news: Chesapeake Energy (fracking) and California Resources Corp. (oil drilling) are bankrupt. First dominoes in two corrupt industries.
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17th July 2020, 22:22 | #910 |
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Fucking Victoria. 428 new cases found yesterday, 3 deaths.
Why won't people take pretty fucking basic, sensible precautions? It annoys the heck out of me when I'm one of the few (and the others are usually, although not exclusively, asian) that wears a facemask in shops etc. And soo many don't seem to be out for their daily exercise either. What is so fucking hard about:
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While we probably got skewed media, even during the first lockdown the impression I got was that there were a lot of aussies that didnt care.
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Most of those fuckwads aren't being THAT dumb anymore - and the cops are pretty quick on getting them arrested to protect the dumb fuckers (not that those DFs could ever acknowledge that) - but there's still a lot that are going riiiight to the very edge of things AND the Vic government isn't legislating for masks in stores or similar.
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Yeah, fuck all that noise. Stay safe crocos.
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In some ways taking exercise at the beach is better than at a park: Parks have shelter (trees, plants - more places with less UV exposure) and no salt. One of the major "no beaches" rules is because (most) people need to travel to beaches and they're trying to restrict travel. Another reason is many of the early beach-issues was crowding so unable to maintain social distancing.
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