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Old 10th February 2018, 14:47     #1
Nich
 
The White Helmets

I remember watching this documentary on Netflix a year ago and thinking how powerful and emotional the story was. I was sold on how evil the Russians were, how valiant these men were in their effort to find some civility among the chaos.
Then a few months ago I started reading that the whole thing was fabricated propaganda. There's photos of the same people being "rescued" multiple times, there's videos of White Helmets being the clean-up crew after executions. The whole thing started to stink.

Corbett Report : The White Helmets Are A Propaganda Construct
https://youtu.be/3vNwe7yKbwo
https://www.corbettreport.com/whiteh...#comment-47938

One man's terrorist, is another man's freedom fighter (ie, US and Al Qaeda form alliance in Syria):
https://www.counterpunch.org/2013/05...an-bedfellows/

Washington Post tackles the accusations head-on to put people's worries to rest:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.4a5bb4cec82c

Even George Clooney is making a feature film in celebration of the White Helmets:
https://theduran.com/george-clooney-...s-them-heroes/


Anyone else following this? What the hell is going on?
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Old 10th February 2018, 15:35     #2
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Putin's Russia is engaged in an incredibly deep incredibly broad incredibly long-term information war on the West. The objective is not to make you believe that some things are one way or another way (i.e., it's not propaganda); the objective is to destroy the notion of objective truth in media and get citizens of Western nations to give up on news. To give up on believing that they can trust anything.
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Old 10th February 2018, 16:06     #3
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And it works right? It gets all of us in one way or another.

Still, I reckon the effort is too little, too late by the Russians. Both social and technical advances are outstripping any means to manipulate us away from the truth. Society is growing sophisticated at a rate that far exceeds any state's capacity for advancement.

Ethereum is the leading edge of that on the technical side. The social side is similarly esoteric, obvious examples that can be pointed to typically tend to arrive distorted. The #MeToo movement for example is powerful, and also comes with a lot of baggage.
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Old 10th February 2018, 17:01     #4
Know me.
 
Considering how close the election result was in the US its clear to me that their influence got Trump across the line. It makes the US election fixing operations in south american and the middle east look like amateur hour.

There is a large part of the population that is ready to belive anything. Obama the anti-christ, not born in the US..a muslim. Moon landing hoaxes. Evis still alive. Jesus Christ!

Block chain wont help when state actors get involved.
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Old 10th February 2018, 17:24     #5
Lightspeed
 
State actors are always involved.

I wonder how you hold this group of believers in mind. Is it a nebulous idea, or do you have some kind of specific understanding?

Because in my mind, that's something the state is directly involved in.
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Old 14th February 2018, 02:00     #6
Ab
A mariachi ogre snorkel
 
Apropos, you read now

https://www.buzzfeed.com/charliewarz...e-of-fake-news
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Old 14th February 2018, 09:46     #7
pxpx
 
Ok so who here is actually an AI? fess up now please.
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Old 14th February 2018, 11:19     #8
Ab
A mariachi ogre snorkel
 
Seriously how would you feel if you found out 3/4 of the posters in our pre-election threads were bots?
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Old 14th February 2018, 11:25     #9
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Ok so who here is actually an AI? fess up now please.
Only an AI would ask that.
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Old 14th February 2018, 11:39     #10
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Only an AI would ask that.
This comment doesn't look like anything to me.
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Old 14th February 2018, 13:23     #11
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This comment doesn't look like anything to me.
Damn you 'Bot!

(As opposed to "Damn you Obots!", which is a quite different thing)
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Old 14th February 2018, 14:47     #12
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Missy will kill you all.

o-bot represent.
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Old 14th February 2018, 16:07     #13
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Ok so who here is actually an AI? fess up now please.
I'm just artificial. Haven't quite figured out the intelligence part yet.

Seriously though, the only way to beat AI is going to be with AI.
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Old 16th February 2018, 16:18     #14
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Putin's Russia is engaged in an incredibly deep incredibly broad incredibly long-term information war on the West. The objective is not to make you believe that some things are one way or another way (i.e., it's not propaganda); the objective is to destroy the notion of objective truth in media and get citizens of Western nations to give up on news. To give up on believing that they can trust anything.
Pro-Gun Russian Bots Flood Twitter After Parkland Shooting
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Old 16th February 2018, 17:05     #15
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So what is Twitter doing about this?
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Old 16th February 2018, 19:55     #16
Ab
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So what is Twitter doing about this?
Thoughts and prayers
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Old 11th April 2018, 11:49     #17
Nich
 
As much as it pains me, Tucker Carlson is quite good at breaking down propaganda. Good point that Yemen is getting starved to death by Saudi Arabia, but that's somehow O.K and doesn't warrant missiles being lobbed against SA.

Part 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSGf2ZpDENU

Part 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDf-OuK2gKw

James Corbett Interviewed on RT: Syria is the same playbook as Libya and Iraq.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LrFHhUnPvE

Syria, and facts regarding Syria are fucked. We probably won't get the truth about the war rhetoric (Assad and Russia are gassing and bombing innocent people). And if we do get a consensus on the truth, it will be too late and Syria will be another Regime Deletion.

Mattis says "No evidence Assad gassed people"
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/49175.htm

Echoes of Iraq:
https://consortiumnews.com/2017/09/1...raud-in-syria/
https://consortiumnews.com/2018/04/1...-to-the-brink/


In other news, by all reports China has stopped buying USD Treasuries, and is now trading oil in PetroYuan (Oil for Gold). China has the largest holdings of Gold of any nation. Trump's trade war tariffs is perhaps a necessary show of force against China's actions (no more rubbish recycling, no more USD, a move to gold / oil-backed economy) but I can't see how any of this would significantly hurt China.

Jim Rickards on Currency wars turning into Trade Wars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzY6Kcrcjmg

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Old 12th April 2018, 11:20     #18
Nich
 
Eva Bartlett on The White Helmets, their less-than-honest origin story, and why mainstream media loves them anyway: It's all about regime change.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1VNQGsiP8M
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Old 16th April 2018, 11:54     #19
Nich
 
Genie Energy and its hidden role in the war on Syria
http://syrianfacts.com/en/2017/07/18...ole-war-syria/

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What do Dick Cheney, James Woolsey, Bill Richardson, Jacob Lord Rothschild, Rupert Murdock, Larry Summers and Michael Steinhardt have in common?
They all are members of the Strategic Advisory Board of a Newark, New Jersey-based oil and gas group with the name, Genie Energy. It’s quite a collection of names.
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In 2013, as Genie Energy began moving into Golan Heights, Israeli military engineers overhauled the forty-five mile border fence with Syria, replacing it with a steel barricade that includes barbed wire, touch sensors, motion detectors, infrared cameras, and ground radar, putting it on par with the Wall Israel has constructed in the West Bank. Now, as Damascus fights for its life, apparently, Genie has discovered a huge oil field precisely there. The Golan Heights, however, are illegally occupied by Israel.

The Jimmy Dore Show - The Real Reason We're In Syria Is Enraging But Not Surprising
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjOr2YzrZDY
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Old 16th April 2018, 12:26     #20
Nich
 
LaRouchePAC Videos - There Was No Chemical Attack in Syria
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTtAm0OHW24
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Old 16th April 2018, 15:13     #21
Ab
A mariachi ogre snorkel
 
stop it man, you're depressing me.
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Old 17th April 2018, 01:08     #22
Nich
 
Sorry, I'm down the rabbit hole. Must. Share.

WEB EXCLUSIVE: Strikes In Syria - The Hard Facts (with Max Blumenthal)
Talk about the White Helmets, findings by Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, CNN and MSNBC hiring ex-CIA who are not only contributing stories but are shaping the narrative.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reuQAoXM8bE

Hmm, people are very divided on the truth regarding the use of chemical weapons. UN and OPCW seem to agree that chemical weapons have indeed been used in Syria. So in my mind there is no doubt about the use of chemical weapons. The question is whether Assad's military is responsible or not. UN notes that much of the Syrian military stockpiles have been captured by "rebels", so Syrian weaponry could be used by anyone at this stage.

also, watch this. Sinclair Broadcast Group.
https://theconcourse.deadspin.com/ho...anc-1824233490

meanwhile, Yemen is being obliterated by Saudi Arabia, with cluster bombs manufactured in Lancashire:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjdhfxsHSCQ
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Old 17th April 2018, 01:12     #23
Nich
 
Abby Martin interviews Max Blumenthal
https://vimeo.com/263657337
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Old 17th April 2018, 12:10     #24
Nich
 
Syria Insider Truth about the War Propaganda Machine
https://vimeo.com/262469851
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Old 17th April 2018, 12:49     #25
Nich
 
Assad interviewed 13th April
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRTeLIjQ2jk

I can't help but feel it is very out of character, and very unwise for someone like Assad to be issuing orders to use chemical weapons on civilians.
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Old 17th April 2018, 13:37     #26
Nich
 
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Hmm, people are very divided on the truth regarding the use of chemical weapons. UN and OPCW seem to agree that chemical weapons have indeed been used in Syria. So in my mind there is no doubt about the use of chemical weapons. The question is whether Assad's military is responsible or not. UN notes that much of the Syrian military stockpiles have been captured by "rebels", so Syrian weaponry could be used by anyone at this stage.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/49224.htm
According to this timeline, despite the blame often being put on Assad and the Syrian Regime, fact finding missions have found very little evidence to support this. Rather, it is more likely that Al Qaeda has the resources to produce and use chemical weapons.

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On 23 December 2013 eminent journalist Seymour Hersh reported that, “In the months before the attack, the American intelligence agencies produced a series of highly classified reports, culminating in a formal Operations Order – a planning document that precedes a ground invasion – citing evidence that the al-Nusra Front, a jihadi group affiliated with al-Qaida, had mastered the mechanics of creating sarin and was capable of manufacturing it in quantity. When the attack occurred al-Nusra should have been a suspect, but the administration cherry-picked intelligence to justify a strike against Assad.” Hersh’s report was practically banned in the United States.
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Old 17th April 2018, 16:58     #27
Nich
 
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Assad interviewed 13th April
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRTeLIjQ2jk

I can't help but feel it is very out of character, and very unwise for someone like Assad to be issuing orders to use chemical weapons on civilians.
His body language analyzed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8lyktVh4yQ
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Old 17th April 2018, 20:31     #28
Nich
 
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8307726.html

- Robert Fisk on the ground in Douma: People living in basements and tunnels are suffocating in dust clouds kicked up by bombs and strong winds.
- The White Helmets arrive at hospital and yell "Gas attack!" in order to make people suitably panicked for a photo op.
- Fisk cannot find a single person on the ground who knows anything about any gas attack in the area.
- OPCW are denied entry to the area so cannot complete any fact finding missions.
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Old 19th April 2018, 13:10     #29
Nich
 
Am I the only one following this? Throw me a bone guys.

The propaganda is extremely slick with:
- The "news" from MSNBC, CNN, et al. Continuing to refer to "chemical attacks" when no independent investigation (UN, OPCW, et al) has proven the use of chemical weapons, and if the weapons were used it was by pro-US "rebels".
- Every night Stephen Colbert, Seth Meyers, Noah Trevor, Bill Maher, Jimmy Kimmel shit on moves toward peace and encourage war by supporting people like Clinton, Albright, and the FBI. Personally, this is the saddest part that they have been "recruited" and their integrity has been strip-mined to push an agenda.
- The "book tours" are well-timed to remind us who to adore and who to fear. Hillary, then Albright, then Comey.
- Albright writing a book warning about Fascism is some kind of cosmic joke like AntiFa. Trust me, I'm a psychopath.
- This is about natural gas pipelines, this is not a talking point on any news channel.
- This is about multiple countries shifting away from the Petrodollar, this is also not a talking point for obvious reasons (the world economy would crash if more people believed the USD has very limited growth opportunities)
- If Clinton had the power, she would be sodomising Xi Jinping, Assad, and Hassan Rouhani with bayonets
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Old 19th April 2018, 13:17     #30
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I feel if I click enough of these links imma end up on a list or two, haha.

I mean, it's all FUBAR, right?
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Old 19th April 2018, 13:20     #31
Nich
 
- Look at how MSNBC suddenly forgets all of Trump's faults, and falls in love when the bombs fly: MOAB discussed, and boots on the ground in Yemen gets a standing ovation. Remember, Yemen is getting fucked in every way possible by Saudi Arabia. How are they a threat to anything?
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Old 19th April 2018, 13:58     #32
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I feel if I click enough of these links imma end up on a list or two, haha.

I mean, it's all FUBAR, right?
Despite my "doom porn" reading list, I am optimistic and don't think it's all FUBAR. I think we are almost at critical turning point where people are becoming immune to the lies. Trump is a fool and an ugly person through and through, but his presidency has exposed an amplification in the message from the globalists that appears desperate and tries in many ways to insist that things are true, but the truth they push is always a move towards war and chaos. I became aware of it when the body snatchers came for Jimmy Fallon (who I used to enjoy) with that hideous Miley Cyrus + Hillary Clinton Thank You note sketch (vomit).

I believe if the US breaks free from the British Empire, there will be a great peace on earth (I'm not exaggerating). If the US is free to join with China and Russia then they can work together to bring about the One Belt, One Road Project (aka New Silk Road). If you follow La Rouch PAC, you will agree that this is a move towards peace.

Send Hillary and Bill Clinton to jail for their "Pay to Play" schemes. Send George Soros to jail for destabilising Greece, Ukraine, and seeding chaos throughout the world.
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Old 19th April 2018, 13:59     #33
Nich
 
Staying on topic:

British Escalate With a Hoax in Syria; This Propaganda Could Lead to World War
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Britain's 'White Helmets' Most Preposterous 'Chemical Attack' Story Yet, Aimed To Create World War Confrontation
https://larouchepac.com/20180409/bri...lead-world-war
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Old 19th April 2018, 14:12     #34
Nich
 
Hillary Clinton's Concession(?) Speech + Obama Transition of Power(?) Speech Analyzed
https://youtu.be/E-F0WXkH8LU
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Old 20th April 2018, 12:00     #35
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I think we are almost at critical turning point where people are becoming immune to the lies.
I too think we're heading this way, although I reckon it'll be a long, slow process. I think we're past the point where our naivete can be exploited, now it's our cynicism which is being exploited.

Assuming reality is coherent, lies can only lead to collapse. It's a matter of seeing how harsh that collapse will be. I'm hopeful we'll open our eyes in time to avoid the worst of it. But maybe we'll see some modern equivalent of the Haitian revolution.
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Old 20th April 2018, 19:23     #36
Nich
 
https://youtu.be/0ZzE6JLChEQ


Roger Waters approached by White Helmets to give speech during his concert, he instead takes opportunity to weigh in on their legitimacy
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Old 23rd April 2018, 11:45     #37
Nich
 
Bolivian UN Envoy points out the history of US meddling in the affairs of other nations under false pretenses (see: the multitude of CIA operations in South America), also points out how Colin Powel tried the same trick as Nikki Haley for Iraq and the UN fell for it. Reminds everyone at the UN that they shouldn't become complacent just because the UN charter has been dismissed in the past.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJdu0OZ9hr8

White Helmets social media posts used as "evidence". You can't have it both ways, US. When Russia uses social media, they are hacking the population. When US uses social media, it's a "grass roots" home video of war crimes as justification for intervention.
https://consortiumnews.com/2018/04/2...-bearing-news/

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Old 23rd April 2018, 13:07     #38
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Yeah, the West has really burnt up any moral authority it might have had. I mean, maybe it never had any in the first place, but I think immediately post WWII the rebuilding of Europe and Japan went a long way to building that up. The Soviets were happy to let their army rape Germany, until Western allies got them to put a stop to it.

But then I think about how the US bombed the hell out of fledgling Communist nations post WWII, so I don't really know.
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Old 23rd April 2018, 20:19     #39
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Even right up to Pearl Harbour, the US looked like it was planning to not get involved with WWII, even to defend an ally. Frankly they've zero moral authority.
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Old 23rd April 2018, 21:19     #40
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Now Hillary Clinton Aides are indirectly blaming Susan Sarandon (!) for the bombing in Syria. Somehow she is to blame for swinging the voters over to Trump, and not to Hillary. Sarandon swiftly reminds them that their beloved Hillary more hawkish than them all.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/04/14/hi...usan-sarandon/

Susan Sarandon drops some Truth Bombs with Stephen Colbert before he was replaced by the body snatchers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTL-IL4qZFM

Susan Sarandon and Josh Fox appear on Chris Hayes MSNBC. Apparently Susan Sarandon said she would not appear on the show unless Josh appeared with her. They drop some truth bombs about fracking, war, and how Clinton would have been more of the same, and a Clinton presidency would have kept the population asleep at the wheel. Trump is an shock and an awakening. Quit blaming the person who caused you to wake up, and start observing the things you can see when you are awake.
https://youtu.be/oj-CyVT5P_o

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