The great combined Smrtphone OS thread - Page 54

Kanz · 17th June 2010, 21:51

i think everyone just needs to chill the f out and eat some blue waffles.

BaM · 17th June 2010, 23:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bent

Are there any WebOS fanboys here?

I quite liked the look of it but never got my hands on one. Google has picked up the dude who did all the UI anyway.

Ab · 18th June 2010, 03:41

Nokia: grasping ankles.

http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/2...n-smartphones/

p01s0n · 18th June 2010, 08:25

Nokia could make a killing by producing high quality, intuitive, appealing featurephones.

Smartphone market is pretty saturated with people trying to be number 1, but the featurephone market is full of abysmal half-efforts from sony-ericsson, LG, samsung etc. Just have a look at the vodafone and xt handsets pages.

^BITES^ · 18th June 2010, 08:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by p01s0n

Nokia could make a killing by producing high quality, intuitive, appealing featurephones.

Smartphone market is pretty saturated with people trying to be number 1, but the featurephone market is full of abysmal half-efforts from sony-ericsson, LG, samsung etc. Just have a look at the vodafone and xt handsets pages.

Yeah sony really do try this .... and most of the time fail miserably ... least their moving off WinMo ...

lektronimo · 18th June 2010, 11:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by p01s0n

Smartphone market is pretty saturated with people trying to be number 1, but the featurephone market is full of abysmal half-efforts from sony-ericsson, LG, samsung etc. Just have a look at the vodafone and xt handsets pages.

Hmm, I actually agree with you on this one. Nokia has a big release coming soon in the form of N8, but even they admit it's not the 'flagship' product. Right now they are beefing up the middle end with features, but selling the hardware at pretty much cost price - 370 euro for a phone with same sized sensor as Canon G11 and Carl Zeiss lens is badass if you ask me. Software side of things needs tightening, but it's coming along nicely and Nokia does one thing as good as Apple - frequency of FW updates, even for older handsets. You can expect more features to be added in the lifetime of the phone.

So in my opinion, Nokia will have a good year and S^3 should be up to scratch before N9 and MeeGo/S^4 comes out. It just has a hard market to sell to (America, p01son, Ab), which is just a perception/marketing issue.

p01s0n · 18th June 2010, 12:14

Nokia should specifically target people that are not me or Ab, the people that don't even know what a smartphone or featurephone or dumbphone is. The person that wants to listen to music on thier phone, and wants to send text messages, and make phone calls, and get e-mail, and browse the net, but don't care if its through android or symbian or iOS.

They want something that looks flash and is fast and responsive and has a interface that does not need to be hacked or jailbroken or needs 3rd party apps/widgets to look good.

Being nokia, they will probably fuck it up with shitty hardware and crap touch inputs though.

Rocket · 18th June 2010, 12:37

All i see is that nerd going HARD down the page.

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Give it up you mega nerd. Go work on your hairdresser emergency response vehicle.

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Bandalador · 18th June 2010, 12:49

I'VE GOT YOU ON IGNORE I'M IGNORING YOU SO I HOPE YOU KNOW YOU'RE ON IGNORE BY ME DIDDLE BREATH NAH CAN'T HEAR YOU NAH NAH NAH!

Fx. · 18th June 2010, 12:50

his posts on this page are actually all rather informative and level heading, no obvious fanboyism one way or another

CCS · 18th June 2010, 12:56

Look how much I'm ignoring you!

_Incubus_ · 18th June 2010, 13:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by p01s0n

Nokia should specifically target people that are not me or Ab, the people that don't even know what a smartphone or featurephone or dumbphone is. The person that wants to listen to music on thier phone, and wants to send text messages, and make phone calls, and get e-mail, and browse the net, but don't care if its through android or symbian or iOS.

They want something that looks flash and is fast and responsive and has a interface that does not need to be hacked or jailbroken or needs 3rd party apps/widgets to look good.

Being nokia, they will probably fuck it up with shitty hardware and crap touch inputs though.

Dont forget they will try to ram a fucking shitty OS down ppl's throats. Just so 1996 symbian..when the fuck are they going to update it.

Spoon1 · 18th June 2010, 13:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by p01s0n

Nokia could make a killing by producing high quality, intuitive, appealing featurephones.

Smartphone market is pretty saturated with people trying to be number 1, but the featurephone market is full of abysmal half-efforts from sony-ericsson, LG, samsung etc. Just have a look at the vodafone and xt handsets pages.

Quote:

Originally Posted by p01s0n

Nokia should specifically target people that are not me or Ab, the people that don't even know what a smartphone or featurephone or dumbphone is. The person that wants to listen to music on thier phone, and wants to send text messages, and make phone calls, and get e-mail, and browse the net, but don't care if its through android or symbian or iOS.

They want something that looks flash and is fast and responsive and has a interface that does not need to be hacked or jailbroken or needs 3rd party apps/widgets to look good.

Being nokia, they will probably fuck it up with shitty hardware and crap touch inputs though.

Hi Rocket.

lektronimo · 18th June 2010, 13:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by p01s0n

Nokia should specifically target people that are not me or Ab, the people that don't even know what a smartphone or featurephone or dumbphone is. The person that wants to listen to music on thier phone, and wants to send text messages, and make phone calls, and get e-mail, and browse the net, but don't care if its through android or symbian or iOS.

They want something that looks flash and is fast and responsive and has a interface that does not need to be hacked or jailbroken or needs 3rd party apps/widgets to look good.

Being nokia, they will probably fuck it up with shitty hardware and crap touch inputs though.

I think they are already, which is probably why they are concentrating on media capabilities of N8, and not really putting the emphasis on S^3 which isn't even done yet, and will be replaced with S^4 and MeeGo in 2011.

So far the capacitive screen seems to be getting good feedback from beta testers and early reviews, and hardware has aluminium unibody so it seems solid enough. Basically it's really down to the software to be finalized, and they will sell a shitload of them at that price - just not in US.

The way I see this is:

Five band 3G
Free turn-by-turn world navigation
Gorgeous photos and video with stereo recording
Unibody, and capacitive screen
Fucking cheap for amount of stuff you get at 370 euros

Basically it's an ideal travel phone for me. If the price was closer to iphone, I'd probably not even look at another Nokia for a while. My two cents...

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Incubus_

Dont forget they will try to ram a fucking shitty OS down ppl's throats. Just so 1996 symbian..when the fuck are they going to update it.

In four weeks, and again in 2011. Btw, as opposed to Apple ramming you how many operating systems? One? Good day sir!

p01s0n · 18th June 2010, 15:15

That N8 looks like an awesome alternative to full-on smartphones.

Ab · 18th June 2010, 15:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by lektronimo

Btw, as opposed to Apple ramming you how many operating systems? One? Good day sir!

Can someone translate this for me?

PhX · 18th June 2010, 15:44

Im going to put it out there, the threads has turned to shit it better when they were seperate (mostly). Had actual discussions about either ios or andriod, flaming is yawn.

QUOTE=Bent]
Are there any WebOS fanboys here?
[quote]
Would be if i saw it in the flesh and they made new hardware, from what i did see it was pretty ace 18months ago

nostrom0 · 18th June 2010, 15:49

These days the question has to be asked, just like when you buy a computer, what do you want to use your phone for?

For me, I text, make calls and check FB and email, so I bought the 5800. Does everything I need it to do at a price I didn’t mind paying for a phone.

In saying that, I wouldn't mind the new iphone4 to do exactly the same thing but there's no way I'm paying that much for a phone.

lektronimo · 18th June 2010, 20:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

Can someone translate this for me?

Sorry, I wasn't clear... What I meant to say in response to Incubus' "... forget they will try to ram a fucking shitty OS down ppl's throats" - each company has got their OS choice for their hardware, so it's a redundant statement to make - of course Nokia will "ram" their OS on their hardware... just like Apple will on their hardware, or any other company for that matter.

Ab · 19th June 2010, 01:13

Oh, right, gotcha.

In a similar vein, "this phone is an asshole".

Lightspeed · 19th June 2010, 01:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

Can someone translate this for me?

I thought it was clear. He was wishing you a good day.

Ab · 19th June 2010, 01:53

I thought it was some sort of NZG T&T/Catsby and Twisp crossover.

Bent · 19th June 2010, 05:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

Oh, right, gotcha.

In a similar vein, "this phone is an asshole".

Ah yes, the peculiar whinge of a WebOS user.

p01s0n · 19th June 2010, 11:16

"press no to cancel, why cant they use a cancel button?" seems like a pretty valid point to me.

Kind of lol how google is completely ignoring the android fragmentation issue and saying it doesn't exist, yet the OS ships with a client for exchange/pop/imap mail, and a separate client for gmail.

_Incubus_ · 19th June 2010, 11:36

I used to be a mad keen Nokia fanatic, I even had one of those nokia 7110's, 2 x N95's and after the heap of shit the n95 was I swore never to own a nokia again.

Bent · 19th June 2010, 14:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by p01s0n

"press no to cancel, why cant they use a cancel button?" seems like a pretty valid point to me.

Kind of lol how google is completely ignoring the android fragmentation issue and saying it doesn't exist, yet the OS ships with a client for exchange/pop/imap mail, and a separate client for gmail.

Yes, it's a valid issue, but it's also one that I really don't care about and never even noticed. After only using UI perfection of WebOS for a while, they seem to become permanently scarred when dealing with any other OS.

As for the mail client issue I agree it does seem a bit lame, but then I also don't use gmail.

Yoda · 21st June 2010, 10:19

Had kinda thought my next phone would be android... so tired of itunes, it's such a major negative.

However after using an older HTC Magic on 1.6 for a day, the iphone4 has become more appealling. The hardware buttons aren't intuitive to me, so many times I was swiping sideways trying to go back, or similar. I'm sure after a week or two it wouldn't be a problem, but was annoying.

Other annoying little things, like sometimes I'd tap to start typing an SMS, but it wouldn't respond... I'd have to hold my finger on the box to get it to register. Incoming texts get previewed through the top bar thing, but one line at a time, and grabbing that top bar to drag down was a challenge as well.

However no 2.1 phones on the market here yet afaik? So no idea how different it is (or the HTC Sense interface). Will see what's available to compare to when the iphone4 gets released here (presumably nothing).

p01s0n · 21st June 2010, 10:52

grey importers sell the likes of the desire, hero, nexus1 etc.

I don't think you can actually get any recent devices through voda, xt or 2deg though.

which is funny, because the iphone 4 will be available within 3 months of being announced.

p01s0n · 21st June 2010, 11:46

Although, early July the Moto Milestone will be offered on XT for $999, running android 2.1 with a commitment for 'more exciting android phones' coming in the future.

A nice commitment from telecom to further the smartphone market in NZ I think.

Yoda · 21st June 2010, 11:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by p01s0n

which is funny, because the iphone 4 will be available within 3 months of being announced.

Yes - and with the newest tech, essentially. Quite a plus for apple.

Don't really want to go import as will be a work phone. Would like CGA/decent support etc. Looks like too much in favour of iphone to bother with importing really.

Want to read some hands on reports of multitasking on it though.

p01s0n · 21st June 2010, 11:52

Im running iOS4 on my 3g, jailbroken to enable 3gS features (wallpaper and multitasking - cue bites being a faggot

). The multitasking is pretty smooth, and having lots of apps open doesnt seem to slow down the device.

If anything, it seems faster and snappier. Very much looking foward to getting a nice speed increase and improved display with the iphone4 now. iOS4 looks and feels good all round

Bandalador · 21st June 2010, 12:20

When's iOS 4 coming out over iTunes? Today some time right?

crocos · 21st June 2010, 12:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda

Don't really want to go import as will be a work phone. Would like CGA/decent support etc.

CGA doesn't apply for products purchased for & by businesses. Or is it going to be a personal phone that happens to be used for work?

Yoda · 21st June 2010, 13:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by crocos

Or is it going to be a personal phone that happens to be used for work?

Aye.

So will iOS4's multitasking allow instant messenger programs?

Bandalador · 21st June 2010, 13:42

Check for update...... This version of the iPhone software (3.1.3) is the current version...... ok.

Sigh.

Ab · 21st June 2010, 13:46

Sorry pie, but when I see "snappier" in a review of a product update I turn off

Bandalador · 21st June 2010, 13:47

Did you survive a single windows 7 review then?

Cowboy · 21st June 2010, 13:51

I believe the iOS4 update comes out June 21st in the states which would mean tomorrow for us.

Bandalador · 21st June 2010, 13:55

A load of blogs and articles around the place right now are all saying "So iOS 4 is due to be up for download in a few hours time and...." etc.
?
I'm guessing they're talking about 12am 21st Jun for them which is in just a couple of hours now.

18th June 2010, 12:56	#2132
CCS Stunt Pants	Look how much I'm ignoring you! __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

17th June 2010, 21:51	#2121
Kanz	i think everyone just needs to chill the f out and eat some blue waffles.

18th June 2010, 03:41	#2123
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	Nokia: grasping ankles. http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/2...n-smartphones/

18th June 2010, 08:25	#2124
p01s0n	Nokia could make a killing by producing high quality, intuitive, appealing featurephones. Smartphone market is pretty saturated with people trying to be number 1, but the featurephone market is full of abysmal half-efforts from sony-ericsson, LG, samsung etc. Just have a look at the vodafone and xt handsets pages. __________________ \|\|hellameke.com Image host of NZG pro's\|\|Tu meke Tu much\|\|

18th June 2010, 12:14	#2127
p01s0n	Nokia should specifically target people that are not me or Ab, the people that don't even know what a smartphone or featurephone or dumbphone is. The person that wants to listen to music on thier phone, and wants to send text messages, and make phone calls, and get e-mail, and browse the net, but don't care if its through android or symbian or iOS. They want something that looks flash and is fast and responsive and has a interface that does not need to be hacked or jailbroken or needs 3rd party apps/widgets to look good. Being nokia, they will probably fuck it up with shitty hardware and crap touch inputs though. __________________ \|\|hellameke.com Image host of NZG pro's\|\|Tu meke Tu much\|\|

18th June 2010, 12:37	#2128
Rocket	All i see is that nerd going HARD down the page. p01s0n This message is hidden because p01s0n is on your ignore list. p01s0n This message is hidden because p01s0n is on your ignore list. p01s0n This message is hidden because p01s0n is on your ignore list. p01s0n This message is hidden because p01s0n is on your ignore list. p01s0n This message is hidden because p01s0n is on your ignore list. p01s0n This message is hidden because p01s0n is on your ignore list. p01s0n This message is hidden because p01s0n is on your ignore list. p01s0n This message is hidden because p01s0n is on your ignore list. Give it up you mega nerd. Go work on your hairdresser emergency response vehicle. __________________ Later Boltz!

18th June 2010, 12:49	#2130
Bandalador	I'VE GOT YOU ON IGNORE I'M IGNORING YOU SO I HOPE YOU KNOW YOU'RE ON IGNORE BY ME DIDDLE BREATH NAH CAN'T HEAR YOU NAH NAH NAH!

18th June 2010, 12:50	#2131
Fx.	his posts on this page are actually all rather informative and level heading, no obvious fanboyism one way or another

18th June 2010, 15:15	#2136
p01s0n	That N8 looks like an awesome alternative to full-on smartphones. __________________ \|\|hellameke.com Image host of NZG pro's\|\|Tu meke Tu much\|\|

18th June 2010, 15:44	#2138
PhX	Im going to put it out there, the threads has turned to shit it better when they were seperate (mostly). Had actual discussions about either ios or andriod, flaming is yawn. QUOTE=Bent] Are there any WebOS fanboys here? [quote] Would be if i saw it in the flesh and they made new hardware, from what i did see it was pretty ace 18months ago __________________ xyf

18th June 2010, 15:49	#2139
nostrom0	These days the question has to be asked, just like when you buy a computer, what do you want to use your phone for? For me, I text, make calls and check FB and email, so I bought the 5800. Does everything I need it to do at a price I didn’t mind paying for a phone. In saying that, I wouldn't mind the new iphone4 to do exactly the same thing but there's no way I'm paying that much for a phone.

19th June 2010, 01:13	#2141
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	Oh, right, gotcha. In a similar vein, "this phone is an asshole".

19th June 2010, 01:53	#2143
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	I thought it was some sort of NZG T&T/Catsby and Twisp crossover.

19th June 2010, 11:16	#2145
p01s0n	"press no to cancel, why cant they use a cancel button?" seems like a pretty valid point to me. Kind of lol how google is completely ignoring the android fragmentation issue and saying it doesn't exist, yet the OS ships with a client for exchange/pop/imap mail, and a separate client for gmail. __________________ \|\|hellameke.com Image host of NZG pro's\|\|Tu meke Tu much\|\|

19th June 2010, 11:36	#2146
_Incubus_	I used to be a mad keen Nokia fanatic, I even had one of those nokia 7110's, 2 x N95's and after the heap of shit the n95 was I swore never to own a nokia again.

21st June 2010, 10:19	#2148
Yoda	Had kinda thought my next phone would be android... so tired of itunes, it's such a major negative. However after using an older HTC Magic on 1.6 for a day, the iphone4 has become more appealling. The hardware buttons aren't intuitive to me, so many times I was swiping sideways trying to go back, or similar. I'm sure after a week or two it wouldn't be a problem, but was annoying. Other annoying little things, like sometimes I'd tap to start typing an SMS, but it wouldn't respond... I'd have to hold my finger on the box to get it to register. Incoming texts get previewed through the top bar thing, but one line at a time, and grabbing that top bar to drag down was a challenge as well. However no 2.1 phones on the market here yet afaik? So no idea how different it is (or the HTC Sense interface). Will see what's available to compare to when the iphone4 gets released here (presumably nothing).

21st June 2010, 10:52	#2149
p01s0n	grey importers sell the likes of the desire, hero, nexus1 etc. I don't think you can actually get any recent devices through voda, xt or 2deg though. which is funny, because the iphone 4 will be available within 3 months of being announced. __________________ \|\|hellameke.com Image host of NZG pro's\|\|Tu meke Tu much\|\|

21st June 2010, 11:46	#2150
p01s0n	Although, early July the Moto Milestone will be offered on XT for $999, running android 2.1 with a commitment for 'more exciting android phones' coming in the future. A nice commitment from telecom to further the smartphone market in NZ I think. __________________ \|\|hellameke.com Image host of NZG pro's\|\|Tu meke Tu much\|\|

21st June 2010, 11:52	#2152
p01s0n	Im running iOS4 on my 3g, jailbroken to enable 3gS features (wallpaper and multitasking - cue bites being a faggot ). The multitasking is pretty smooth, and having lots of apps open doesnt seem to slow down the device. If anything, it seems faster and snappier. Very much looking foward to getting a nice speed increase and improved display with the iphone4 now. iOS4 looks and feels good all round __________________ \|\|hellameke.com Image host of NZG pro's\|\|Tu meke Tu much\|\|

21st June 2010, 12:20	#2153
Bandalador	When's iOS 4 coming out over iTunes? Today some time right?

21st June 2010, 13:42	#2156
Bandalador	Check for update...... This version of the iPhone software (3.1.3) is the current version...... ok. Sigh.

21st June 2010, 13:46	#2157
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	Sorry pie, but when I see "snappier" in a review of a product update I turn off

21st June 2010, 13:47	#2158
Bandalador	Did you survive a single windows 7 review then?

21st June 2010, 13:51	#2159
Cowboy	I believe the iOS4 update comes out June 21st in the states which would mean tomorrow for us.

21st June 2010, 13:55	#2160
Bandalador	A load of blogs and articles around the place right now are all saying "So iOS 4 is due to be up for download in a few hours time and...." etc. ? I'm guessing they're talking about 12am 21st Jun for them which is in just a couple of hours now.