#hagerbook

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Originally Posted by Lightspeed

Well, not National supporters any more! They'll stick with the NZHerald's incoherent nonsense.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11314904

[Lightspeed]

Of course, Collins has nothing to answer for given the hacked emails can't even be proven authentic.

[Ab]

You think someone would have sat Collins down after the Oravida fiasco and made it crystal clear to her that her job from then to the day after the election was to smile sweetly and STFU. She's almost been worthy of a "days since something retarded" counter all by herself.

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

Of course, Collins has nothing to answer for given the hacked emails can't even be proven authentic.

As I said earlier, this is the only silver lining to the cloud for National.

[adonis]

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/pr...-mike-williams

Hooton putting the boot into Key over WO's timely OIA reply. Gets good around the 8min mark

[Ab]

This is the Hooton who is an active player in the Whaleoil shitfest described in Hager's book, right? The guy who told Cathy Odgers where Hager lived when she was hinting at having the guy offed by the Chinese, right?

Mmm, independent media

[Ab]

Hager 2 weeks ago: "a USB stick just arrived on my doorstep from an anonymous source, I have no idea who the hacker is"

Hager this week:

But it was Hager’s discussion of his new book which captivated the audience.

He described tracking down the hacker who attacked Slater’s IT system and spending weeks convincing him to share his information.

Hager promised he would ensure the information release was ‘‘something more lasting and of bigger value’’ than the hacker’s planned Twitter dump.

He said knowing the source of information and their motives for releasing it was essential.

‘‘I know him [the hacker] well now, and I trust him,’’ he said. ‘‘His motivation was that Cameron Slater was a bastard and we’ll do him over.’’

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...acker-revealed

[adonis]

Originally Posted by Ab

Hager 2 weeks ago: "a USB stick just arrived on my doorstep from an anonymous source, I have no idea who the hacker is"

Is that a direct quote and if so could you provide a link?

Hagar wouldn't have even known that there was a hacker to look for unless he'd received some information first. It makes sense that after receiving the USB stick he would have tracked the hacker down and asked him for more information.

[Ab]

"weeks convincing him to share his information"

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Originally Posted by adonis

Is that a direct quote and if so could you provide a link?

"Some weeks later, out of the blue, I received a package: an 8-gigabyte USB digital storage device, the contents of which appeared to have originated from the attack on Slater’s website"

Nicky Hager's website

[adonis]

Originally Posted by Ab

"weeks convincing him to share his information"

So.. it's not a direct quote then? What you're implying doesn't actually make any logical sense. Hagar wouldn't have known that there was a hacker with this kind of information unless he'd been contacted first.

The logical conclusion to be drawn here is that Hagar received a USB stick with these emails. Afterwards - because he's an actual journalist and not a hack working for the NZ Herald - he went looking for the source to confirm it's authenticity.

He found the source and "spent weeks" convincing him to share how, and why he got those emails, determining whether the source is genuine, as well as gaining his trust and any other information he might have.

So, the question remains, is that a direct quote from somewhere or did you make it up yourself based on a faulty impression of what Hagar's actually been saying?

There's no contradiction between this new information and what's on http://www.nickyhager.info/dirty-politics/ , just new information. Perhaps this part of the story should have been revealed earlier but it really doesn't change anything, other than adding to the story about how Hagar made sure his work was authentic.

[Lightspeed]

I wonder who it is who is spending all the effort and time to create these convincing forgeries @whaledump keeps leaking? /s

[Farmer Joe]

Originally Posted by Ab

You have simultaneously gotten and missed the point.

Of course you can prove something's true. And if I were to claim "I am Jesus Christ resurrected" the onus is on me to prove it - not for you or anyone else to DISPROVE it. If I can't prove it, you probably shouldn't assume that I am in fact the Messiah returned.

So: can Hager prove that his claims are true?

To say "we know Nicky Hager is an investigative journalist with integrity" is just an argument from authority. The Bible is true because God wouldn't lie. The book is true because Hager has integrity. Whatever. Bob "Watergate" Woodward is one of the most respected journalists on earth but that doesn't change the fact that some of the things in his books about the Bush administration's preparation for war are just plain bullshit, because Woodward was fed bullshit by people who wanted him to put bullshit in his books.

Nicky Hager has published a book that contains some really interesting stuff that has a bearing on something as important as a general election. Is the interesting stuff true? Well, it appears not all of it. So how do you know if any given thing in the book is an interesting TRUE thing or an interesting OOPS I MADE A MISTAKE untrue thing or an interesting LOL IT'S TOTALLY MADE UP untrue thing? Well you check the sources. That's how research works.

And so far his source is "some guy on the Internet". Well, I'm fucking convinced. It must all be totally true then, even the stuff that isn't, because as we all know there is no more trustworthy source than Anonymous Guy On The Internet.

Apologies, busy week, didn't get around to replying to this. What you say is correct, hat eaten.

As you say, there's some really interesting stuff in the book, it'll be really interesting to see how much of it turns out to be true.

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@whaledump got shut down by Twitter - a result of police action after Slaters complaint?

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Slater off to the high court:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11319181

[Know me.]

So who is the hacker? Wouldn't surprise me if its one of you motherfuckas The way he writes seems familiar.

[Lightspeed]

Probably PK.

[Nothing]

Some of the commentary on dirty politics in this 3 hour video should have been on the 6pm news.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdgPh0Wh3g0