Dear Australian Labor Government, FUCK YOU.

[Ab]

Internet Service Providers may soon have to retain subscriber's private web browsing history for law enforcement to examine when requested, a move which has been widely criticised by industry insiders.

The Attorney-General's Department yesterday confirmed to ZDNet Australia that it had been in discussions with industry on implementing a data retention regime in Australia. Such a regime would require companies providing internet access to log and retain customer's private web browsing history for a certain period of time for law enforcement to access when needed.

Insane. This government has gone batshit Big Brother insane.

[Wally Simmonds]

When's the next elections?

And realistically, do you think the opposition will reverse any changes these nutjobs make?

[Spoon1]

The United States of Australia.

USA! USA!

[_Incubus_]

This already happens in the EU, 24 months min recording..

[zeekiorage]

Soon the Internet access in Australia will require written application in triplicate and a signed affidavit.

[Nothing]

Yeah, so uh, life's still pretty sweet in New Zealand.

[Fx.]

great

[TB]

And just think, thats Labour... think of how bad shit'd be if that was an actual conservative nutjob party.... woah.

[?>Superman]

Fuck moving to aussie now

[_Incubus_]

Originally Posted by TB

And just think, thats Labour... think of how bad shit'd be if that was an actual conservative nutjob party.... woah.

That is the batshit conservative nutjob party...

[fixed_truth]

Are people worried that their private web browsing history might get leaked and made public or something?

[MadMax]

www.horsiefuckersinyourlogs.com

click it. damn dude, you visited a beastiality site on the 12/06/2010 the computer says so!

[xin]

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

Are people worried that their private web browsing history might get leaked and made public or something?

Let me guess, You're an advocate of "You shouldn't be doing anything illegal, so you shouldn't care about it" ?

How about this, lets pretend sodomy is illegal. In order to make sure your todger doesn't go up somebodies pooper (accidentally or not) the government decrees cameras must be installed in every bedroom of your house recording your every move.

Are you saying that you'd stop the bum-love and be fine with this? If so, when can I bring the cameras around?

[fixed_truth]

^^No no not at all I'm just generating discussion.

I think that your analogy is a bit exaggerated to what we are talking about. Or is it the slippery slope argument?

Obviously privacy rights need to be weighted against security concerns. I'm interested in the arguments of why people think this should not be happening.

[StN]

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

Are people worried that their private web browsing history might get leaked and made public or something?

Somebody think of Shane Jones!

[Reformed_Quint]

I don't like the slow decay of my privacy

[wugambino]

SOMEONE HAS TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN FROM PEDOS

[xin]

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

Obviously privacy rights need to be weighted against security concerns. I'm interested in the arguments of why people think this should not be happening.

This won't help do anything but catch the stupid.

King-Pin-Pedo isn't going to use unencrypted streams to trade his wares.

And sending factory-worker-joe to jail for looking at womanfucksahorse.com after the Police decided to check his internet history because he had an unpaid parking ticket is a waste of resources.

And then yes, as you mentioned, should the ISP get compromised, that's a pretty huge well of potentially personal information right there.

[fixed_truth]

Originally Posted by xin

This won't help do anything but catch the stupid.

King-Pin-Pedo isn't going to use unencrypted streams to trade his wares.

So you don't think it will be an effective law as it targets the user not the supplier. That's a fair point though it sounds like the Bill is designed to target joe public pedo?

Effectiveness is a different issue to the privacy issue (I picked up as most peoples main concern being privacy).

How likely is my ISP to get compromised? Some Govt. departments & private institutions already have a lot of my personal information, should I be concerned about this?

Btw I don't work in IT and so like most people have no idea concerning the 'effectiveness' of applying internet laws

[drac0s]

As an argument about why it shouldn't be happening, it doesn't actually solve anything. Internet filter/browsing history catch people who would of been caught anyway. i.e. people who use google to find child porn. It does fuck all to anyone technically inclined, probably just encourages them to be even more savvy i.e. I'd never use a verisign cert etc.. to secure a website now if really wanted to secure it.

ISPs are staffed by kids in the majority. It's a first time job and at that age most people have no real concept of what right/wrong and are fairly dumb when it comes to privacy. You can bet information will get out

Probably a good time to start an offshore encrypted proxy business

[_Incubus_]

Originally Posted by xin

Let me guess, You're an advocate of "You shouldn't be doing anything illegal, so you shouldn't care about it" ?

How about this, lets pretend sodomy is illegal. In order to make sure your todger doesn't go up somebodies pooper (accidentally or not) the government decrees cameras must be installed in every bedroom of your house recording your every move.

Are you saying that you'd stop the bum-love and be fine with this? If so, when can I bring the cameras around?

I'd have to cover the camera up on my birthday and xmas then..

[p-b]

So your wife dusts off the strapon twice a year?

SWEET!

[_Incubus_]

Originally Posted by p-b

So your wife dusts off the strapon twice a year?

SWEET!

Shes a good lass, I'm a lucky guy

[TnT]

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

Are people worried that their private web browsing history might get leaked and made public or something?

No it's the start of slippery slope down the path of 'guilty until proven innocent', personally I couldn't give a rats arse if the govt wants to look at my history, all they have to do is ask... but that's the key point. *they have to ask*.

If the cops want to come into my house and search for.. well anything, they are more than welcome to, if they either a. ask me or b. produce a warrant that says they have reasonable suspicion that I'm up to no good, but they can't just waltz into my house because they 'feel like it'. This is the same.

'They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.' - Benjamin Franklin. Privacy is an essential liberty in my eyes.

[Ab]

The chief executive of internet provider Exetel this afternoon described as a “nanny state gone totally insane” a Federal Government proposal which could potentially see telcos required to keep records of web browsing history, telephone calls and emails of their users.

The idea being explored with industry by the Attorney General’s Department would see a similar scheme implemented to the European Directive on Data Retention, which requires ISPs to record information on phone calls and emails, including from whom they were sent and from whom, the time and date and so on.

ZDNet.com.au has also reported that ISP industry sources had flagged the potential for the new regime to require ISPs to record a users’ complete web browsing history

http://delimiter.com.au/2010/06/11/d...e-says-linton/

[Ab]

Put some Waikato in the frudge kids, looks like I might be moving home.

[Redneck]

IF YOU WEREN'T JACKING IT TO NAKED KIDDIES YOU'D HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT!

[fidgit]

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

I'm interested in the arguments of why people think this should not be happening.

My argument against why I think this shouldn't be happening is quite simple: It's none of their goddam business what I do with my life. Governments exist to work for us, not to be our Parents.

(and yes, this flies in direct opposition to my normally rabidly left-wing bent. But constant monitoring is going too far).

BTW, I wouldn't bother moving back from Oz because of this. I'd give it 5 years and we'll have exactly the same laws here. All it's going to take is one MP to decide it'll be how they get re-elected. After all, you're not allowed to argue against this or you're a goddam dirty paedo.

[chiQ]

Originally Posted by Ab

Put some Waikato in the frudge kids, looks like I might be moving home.

There's always an upside

Woiketo coolung as I type.

[smudge]

Originally Posted by Ab

Put some Waikato in the frudge kids, looks like I might be moving home.

straw/camel.

[Phantom]

What scares me is that a friend of mine is actually involved in writing some of this stuff / suggesting things to the Aussie government. Talking to him scared me. A lot. He genuinely believes that this big brother stuff is for the Greater Good and is therefore justifiable and the Right Approach.

[crocos]

Originally Posted by Phantom

He genuinely believes that this big brother stuff is for the Greater Good and is therefore justifiable and the Right Approach.

Well the road to Hell IS paved with good intentions...

[Reformed_Quint]

Originally Posted by crocos

Well the road to Hell IS paved by idiots...

[crocos]

Heh, I can't argue that one

[ilk]

Originally Posted by Phantom

What scares me is that a friend of mine is actually involved in writing some of this stuff / suggesting things to the Aussie government. Talking to him scared me. A lot. He genuinely believes that this big brother stuff is for the Greater Good and is therefore justifiable and the Right Approach.

Your friend has issues. Slap him with your cock until he stops having issues, or at least, has different issues.

[A Corpse]

Ah, if only there were some sort of politics subforum we could direct all this rage into...

[_Incubus_]

Whats next start wearing armbands denoting the types of sites we visit?

[ZoSo]

Originally Posted by fidgit

BTW, I wouldn't bother moving back from Oz because of this. I'd give it 5 years and we'll have exactly the same laws here.

So true. Sadly it would probably only be the greens who'd put the kibosh on this sort of stuff.

[MaZeR]

Originally Posted by Phantom

He genuinely believes that this big brother stuff is for the Greater Good and is therefore justifiable and the Right Approach.

Any idea of his religious history/bent? Usually this sort of ideological meddling comes from some place.

[chubby]

Originally Posted by ZoSo

So true. Sadly it would probably only be the greens who'd put the kibosh on this sort of stuff.

agreed.