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Old 27th July 2022, 07:34     #1601
fixed_truth
 
Most NZ secondary schools have counselors, and they're bound by the health information privacy code.
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Old 28th July 2022, 10:53     #1602
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Maya Forstater won her case, if anyone is interested:

https://mforstater.medium.com/press-...d-99365009baa1
Allison Bailey just won hers, if anyone is interested:

https://twitter.com/BluskyeAllison/s...50836448837633
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Old 28th July 2022, 11:22     #1603
fixed_truth
 
Transphobes gonna transphobe
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Old 28th July 2022, 11:28     #1604
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Transphobes gonna transphobe
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...allison-bailey
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Old 28th July 2022, 14:40     #1605
fixed_truth
 
Um yeah, under that ruling they're allowed to spout transphobic views.

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People who calmly and politely express such views are not doing anything wrong or hateful.
Heh
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Old 28th July 2022, 15:26     #1606
Ab
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Dunno man, objecting to an organisation running pick-up artist training sessions for males on how to bully lesbians into taking their dick seems like the sort of objection that a decent human being would make.
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Old 28th July 2022, 15:36     #1607
Lightspeed
 
Bullying organisations that help people find new relationships, what decent person would do that?

Framing goes both ways.
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Old 28th July 2022, 15:58     #1608
Ab
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Don't you think that coercing people into sex they don't wanna have is kinda... rapey?
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Old 28th July 2022, 16:38     #1609
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The LGB Alliance is a British advocacy group founded in 2019 in opposition to the policies of LGBT rights charity Stonewall on transgender issues.[1] Its founders were Bev Jackson, Kate Harris, Allison Bailey, Malcolm Clark and Ann Sinnott. It opposes gender-identity education in schools,[2] medical transition for children reporting gender dysphoria,[3] and gender recognition reform.[4]
Sounds transphobic to me.

But I get it. It's intrinsic with conservatism. It relies on people denying new ideas & knowledge and adhering to tradition & cultural norms. All the scaremongering, framing and straight up bullshit is for this reason.

It's a fact that people express themselves on a gender spectrum. We can observe human behaviour and how we express ourselves sociologically, where society pin points us based on masculinity & femininity.

This is different to sex yet people purposefully conflate the two. We all know that when a transgender women say's I'm a woman that she's saying that their gender is female not that their sex is female.

It's all a bit like if you had an adopted sister & everytime you introduced her as your sister someone pipes up with but she's not your biological sister!?!!
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Old 28th July 2022, 17:11     #1610
Ab
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You: we're here for blood tests because ghastly disease occurs in the females in my mother's family

Nurse: but she's not your biological sister!?!!
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Old 28th July 2022, 17:19     #1611
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Don't you think that coercing people into sex they don't wanna have is kinda... rapey?
Of course, which is why you frame it so. Is it the truth? Well, coercion in the absence of force is just asking.

If there's a scenario where one can guilt or manipulate someone into sex they don't want, it's the whole dynamic that's toxic.

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You: we're here for blood tests because ghastly disease occurs in the females in my mother's family

Nurse: but she's not your biological sister!?!!
Our lives are governed by hospital visits?
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Old 28th July 2022, 17:24     #1612
Ab
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coercion in the absence of force is just asking.
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Old 28th July 2022, 17:44     #1613
Lightspeed
 
That's force. If I hold power in your life and I'm suggesting I want sex, that's coercion.

A horny stranger telling stories about why they're owed sex... if you struggle to say no in that context, the whole situation is fucked up.

How is this stumping you Ab? You really, really want it to be bad that you can't tell what's in someone's pants just from a few simple cues?
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Old 28th July 2022, 17:53     #1614
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I think if a lesbian says, after a sexual overture, "I'm attracted exclusively to female bodies" that's a perfectly valid response.

If an organisation runs training courses for males on how to negate that response and overcome that resistance, that's fucked up.

If a woman can suffer professional and personal reputational damage as the result of pointing out that it's fucked up, that's fucked up.

The British courts just agreed.
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Old 28th July 2022, 17:59     #1615
Lightspeed
 
And because of that you've somehow become confused as to what coercion is?

People are allowed their fucked up groups where they tell each other about all the people they're going to fuck with their magic pick up lines.
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Old 28th July 2022, 19:11     #1616
Ab
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And people are free to describe those fucked up groups as fucked up.
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Old 28th July 2022, 19:34     #1617
Lightspeed
 
Yeah, although I would pick my battles. I don't see there's much to gain mucking in with some incel sex fantasy group. Especially if I held any positions that counted on my reputation.
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Old 29th July 2022, 00:52     #1618
Ab
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UK’s Tavistock gender clinic being closed down because it, you know, bullied and brainwashed children, almost all of them girls, into “gender affirmation treatment”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...ears-wpdx3v6nw
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Old 29th July 2022, 07:43     #1619
fixed_truth
 
Without the conservative framing https://cass.independent-review.uk/p...nterim-report/
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Old 29th July 2022, 10:31     #1620
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The lawsuits from Tavistock victims will be visible from SPACE.
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Old 29th July 2022, 10:35     #1621
Ab
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If you’re against incest, you’re literally worse than Hitler.

You see, incest can produce disabled and deformed offspring, so you being against kids getting fucked by their parents means you’re supporting the idea that there should be fewer disabled people in the world, which is “latent eugenics.”

https://link.springer.com/article/10...19-021-09856-3
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Old 29th July 2022, 12:17     #1622
StN
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I don't know why, but a couple of the older chaps were leaning over a phone in th pub last night quite clearly playing the colosseum scene from Life of Brian - in particular, the bit around the PFJ debacle, and Stan's request to be called Loretta.

I couldn't work out who was more woke. The chaps in their 60's (70s?) were also happily sitting with a known cross dresser.
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Old 29th July 2022, 20:25     #1623
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https://www.autocar.co.nz/tenders-ar...-nz-transport/

Now Maori have a unique experience with transport, and their responses are required to cater for Maori on roads (or something).

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Questions include:

How Māori perceive the transport system in Aotearoa and why have these perceptions come about?
How are Māori impacted by the transport system day by day?
How are Māori responding to government priorities for transport, such as the road to zero strategy and mode shift?
What are the gaps in data and other evidence that can be used to characterise Māori experiences and impacts on them of the transport system?
What responses are required to close data and evidence gaps, and how would these responses be prioritised by Māori?
I'm sure LS has his reasons for suggesting Maori have different health outcomes, but can he also explain how Maori are being disadvantaged/discriminated against by our public road network? If anyone can justify nonsense that our Government is up to, you can count on him.
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Old 30th July 2022, 05:23     #1624
Ab
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RFU votes to change its participation policy; womens rugby at all levels is to be for females only.

https://twitter.com/RFU/status/1553032749354831880
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Old 30th July 2022, 11:13     #1625
fixed_truth
 
Would be interesting to know if this was based on what was actually happening in woman's rugby games and that their previous case by case system wasn't working. Or just based on ideology.
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Old 31st July 2022, 13:51     #1626
Ab
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Summary: they listened to everyone, and the science was clear.

https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/c...icy%20FAQs.pdf
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Old 31st July 2022, 14:18     #1627
fixed_truth
 
The science was clear that their previous case by case system wasn't working?

There were 7 transgender woman permitted to play under the previous system. But better take precautionary measures!
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Old 31st July 2022, 15:40     #1628
Ab
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The shortcomings of a case-by-case system are outlined in the policy explainer.
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Old 1st August 2022, 16:10     #1629
Ab
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RFU votes to change its participation policy; womens rugby at all levels is to be for females only.

https://twitter.com/RFU/status/1553032749354831880
Rugby League follows suit:

https://rugby-league.com/article/606...r-rugby-league
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Old 6th August 2022, 18:43     #1630
Nothing
 
Intersex person talks about sex variations

https://www.ted.com/talks/emily_quin...l_sex_is_wrong
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Old 7th August 2022, 01:01     #1631
Ab
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Struggling writer? The ADCI Literary Prize might be what you’re looking for. It’s open to all authors with a disability or chronic illness, or who identify as having a disability or chronic illness.

https://www2.societyofauthors.org/pr...iterary-prize/
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Old 7th August 2022, 12:12     #1632
_indigo1
 
Hi Ab,
As someone who suffers from chronic illness, I can tell you that the level of dismissal, discrimination, and gaslighting in the medical industry is an epidemic and it severely hurts people who have a symptomology that goes beyond the acute and requires a medical professional to actually THINK.

So there are millions of people who struggle terribly every day, worse than those with DIAGNOSED chronic illnesses, because they cannot get an official diagnosis - and so not only are very ill, but also suffer gaslighting and a terrible betrayal of trust from those who should be helping them, and are excluded from official support or recognition.

I believe the self-identify clause is aimed at those people.

Note that something like long COVID would be in this camp if it wasn't backed up by the sheer numbers of people reporting it all at once.
There are lots of post-viral and other type chronic illnesses that have been swept under the rug by the medical profession, blamed on 'depression', 'diet', 'anxiety' for decades, purely because it's easer for professionals to sweep them under the rug, minimise the symptoms, refer to mental health when it is only a single case rather than a wave of cases.

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Old 7th August 2022, 12:20     #1633
_indigo1
 
Granted, it does create space for abuse by those who do not genuinely suffer from chronic illness or disability.
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Old 7th August 2022, 14:27     #1634
Lightspeed
 
That's some good insight. Insight that I suspect was painful to come by, I doubt you came by it seeking dopamine hits bottom trawling twitter.
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Old 7th August 2022, 14:33     #1635
Ab
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Quote:
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Granted, it does create space for abuse by those who do not genuinely suffer from chronic illness or disability.
Fortunately this would never happen because no person would ever claim to be something that he or she is not in order to obtain personal advantage, which is why the concept of self-id is such an overwhelming success.
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Old 7th August 2022, 16:20     #1636
_indigo1
 
Yeah that's why it's so hard - the cost of people who abuse these systems is not just waste of resources etc - it's that it literally hurts the people who need these systems the most and tars them with the same brush of disbelief and dismissal, and denial of support.
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Old 7th August 2022, 16:35     #1637
Ab
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Exactly. The ADCI Literary Prize instead of being for writers with disabilities or illness is now open to any writer. All an author has to do to be eligible is say that he or she identifies, on the inside, as someone who has a disability, and boom, in, no questions asked. Rather than conditions, disability and chronic illness are now feelings that one can simply opt in to having and opt out of having as one desires.
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Old 7th August 2022, 17:06     #1638
_indigo1
 
eh. changed my mind. said my bit.

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Old 7th August 2022, 23:14     #1639
Ab
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Transgender male allowed to compete in under-25 women’s division in the All-India Inter University Athletics Championship, easily wins 3-km walk, long jump, and hammer throw.

Oh yeah he’s 28 years old as well, but just fuck the women’s category in general I guess?


https://www.onmanorama.com/news/kera...athletics.html
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Old 8th August 2022, 00:02     #1640
Lightspeed
 
o_O

You ever come across anything from the other perspective Ab? Or are you exclusively interested in this one side?
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