National Thus Far

[crocos]

Viagra and P would be an amusing combination.

[Macca@Work]

Originally Posted by chiquelet

How about making sex ed compulsory at all schools from years 9-13? But teaching kids how to effectively prevent pregnancy is far too liberal for most.

You're truely lol.Sex education has been round for years and doesn't do jack shit.The average age of expectant mothers drops every year,and the number of abortions is certainly not getting lower.Check out the stats.

http://www.stats.govt.nz/products-an...dec08-hotp.htm

[Thomas Meatball]

Originally Posted by Macca@Work

The average age of expectant mothers drops every year

Does it?

and the number of abortions is certainly not getting lower.

Your link disagrees.

17,940 abortions were performed in New Zealand in 2008, down from 18,380 in 2007 and the peak of 18,510 in 2003.

[Macca@Work]

Originally Posted by Thomas Meatball

Does it?


Your link disagrees.

sorry Dhumass Meatbreath.Im 200 out.Certainly disqualifies the data I've supplied.Up to then it was steadily climbing.Way to completely miss the point.

[Thomas Meatball]

The only point here is that you don't have a point. And the data backs that up.

[Whiplash]

Lol, moron.

[Macca@Work]

Sorry Dhumbarse.
Don't blame me because you're an idiot.

[Thomas Meatball]

You've not provided any stats which back up your claim. Why do you persist?

[Macca@Work]

Actually it does.Despite the fact that sex education has been in schools for years,the number of abortions etc has steadily increased.Thus,it shows
that generally people ignore simple things like contraception.Argue all you want,verbally masturbate yourself on this discussion board by belittling everyone you can,(you are,after all,an ignorant asshole)but READ the information.

[Thomas Meatball]

Is this a practical joke?

[Macca@Work]

Originally Posted by Thomas Meatball

My life on NZGames is a practical joke

[Thomas Meatball]

I'm still waiting for you to provide some proof of your claims. So far you've only presented evidence to the contrary and told me that it actually backs up your claims because you said so.

I'm willing to wait because it's a slow day and I've got plenty of time to check back frequently.

[fixed_truth]

Originally Posted by Macca@Work

The average age of expectant mothers drops every year

O RLY?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/population...ectid=10557393

[QWERTY?]

CCS might have you here macca, sure it trends up to 03~ but after that we dont have enough data to say it is trending up anymore, in fact 03 - 08 you would say it is trending downwards or at least plateaued

[Thomas Meatball]

There's a few rather pertinent stats on the stats nz website but I can't be bothered linking them here. It's more fun to watch Macca flail about and insist that he's right.

I will point out though that the two sets of statistics that Macca is using are not all that relevant in terms of backing his claim.



Roffle salad with lol dressing.

[Macca@Work]

oooh look ..it climbs high,peaks then a few troughs,then still shows a high abortion rate.
Dhumbasre lrn2read.

[Thomas Meatball]

Before you said "the number of abortions is certainly not getting lower" and now you've changed your tune and it's "high" which, I must say, is quite a subjective term. If I may, I'd like to quote myself quoting the Statistics website.

17,940 abortions were performed in New Zealand in 2008, down from 18,380 in 2007 and the peak of 18,510 in 2003.

So it peaked 6 years ago and for the last couple of years, it's actually been getting lower - contrary to what you said.

Originally Posted by Macca@Work

lrn2read.

Now that I've proven you wrong (twice) I wonder if you can explain to me why you think the rate of abortion is relevant to sex education in schools. Key word here: schools look, I highlighted it for you.

[xor]

Originally Posted by Macca@Work

oooh look ..it climbs high,peaks then a few troughs,then still shows a high abortion rate.
Dhumbasre lrn2read.

I notice your stats don't take into account the population increase over the years. So your graph is hardly accurate now is it?

[Jodi]

Originally Posted by xor

I notice your stats don't take into account the population increase over the years. So your graph is hardly accurate now is it?

yea, a graph of % of population would be more accurate.

[Saladin]

Originally Posted by Jodi

yea, a graph of % of population would be more accurate.

Or if you wanted to be even more pedantic, a %age of women of childbearing age!

[IoriDyson]

thread of the day right here lololo

[fidgit]

Haha what the hell, did Macca have a seizure all over this thread earlier? Roffles.

"Here is a claim"
"Here is evidence disputing that claim"
"U R A DUMB SMELLY POO I AM RITE!!!"
"*repeat of evidence*"
"POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SMELL"

lol good stuff. Almost makes me suspect macca is CCS's alter-alter-ego.

[crocos]

Originally Posted by fidgit

Almost makes me suspect macca is CCS's alter-alter-ego.

I don't think CCS could bring himself to act that idiotic, even as an alter-ego.

[fidgit]

(and because no one else has...)

http://www.stats.govt.nz/methods_and...abortions.aspx

Macca's actually pretty much spot on btw - the last couple of years not-withstanding, there's been a strong upward growth in abortions since the stats start in 1980.

The abortion rate (abortions/1000 women) has also shown an almost constant upswing, with the same few dips, but is now 2 times what it was in 1980.


Perhaps though this would be much worse without sex-ed. I imagine it's more acceptable to have an abortion now than it was in the 80's (and certainly the decades prior to feminism). And from anecdotal evidence, it's easier to get one now.

[chiquelet]

Originally Posted by Macca@Work

You're truely lol.Sex education has been round for years and doesn't do jack shit.

You're more lol. Yeah sex ed has been around for years, but in all high schools? Hell no. I went to a Catholic school, so there was no sex ed (no surprises there). I'd hazard a guess and say that no Catholic high school in NZ teaches sex ed. And let's just say that sex ed was well and truly needed at my college.

Family Planning (or similar) need to be going into EVERY high school regardless of religious affiliation and teaching about contraception, morning after pills, stds, and abortion. Of course there will still be pregnancies, maybe because the girls want to get pregnant, or because teens (like adults) are horny and make bad decisions. But a comprehensive sex ed system in this country would surely reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies in this country.

[Solvent]

I've only had a brief skim through this page, but Macca it look like you did get beat up!

[Juju]

Originally Posted by chiquelet

I'd hazard a guess and say that no Catholic high school in NZ teaches sex ed.

They must have been ultra-catholic then because my Catholic high school taught it very muchly. Ever since 3rd form IIRC. Our sister Catholic school also taught it, but not very well seen as it had one of the highest pregnancy rates in NZ.

[zeekiorage]

Just to change the topic from last few pages...

English paid $1000 to live in own home

Taxpayers are contributing nearly $1000 a week to allow deputy prime minister Bill English to live in his own million-dollar Wellington home.

The taxpayer subsidy is double what Mr English was able to claim last year when he was an Opposition MP, and comes as he calls for spending restraint and value for money in the public service.

National is defending the payments as within the rules.

[chiquelet]

Originally Posted by Juju

They must have been ultra-catholic then because my Catholic high school taught it very muchly. Ever since 3rd form IIRC. Our sister Catholic school also taught it, but not very well seen as it had one of the highest pregnancy rates in NZ.

Nope, just normal Catholic (St Mary's College in Wellington repraznt!) We were taught about sexual development (in the biological sense) but never about contraception or sexual responsibility. SMC had a huge pregnancy issue, but most girls had abortions rather than drop out and have a baby. It's great to hear that some Catholic schools are doing it, but I'm pretty sure yours would have been the exception.

[fixed_truth]

Originally Posted by zeekiorage

English paid $1000 to live in own home

I know that these types of perks have been going on in parliament for a while - but calling for spending restraints and value for money in one area of the public service while defending this sort of wastage really is a joke.

[Thomas Meatball]

Originally Posted by fidgit

Macca's actually pretty much spot on btw - the last couple of years not-withstanding, there's been a strong upward growth in abortions since the stats start in 1980.

Oh yeah, as long as we exclude certain portions of data - which also happen to be the most recent and therefore arguably the most relevant - then we get the answer we want!

What the data doesn't show is the reason for these abortions. It's something of a tenuous link between sex-ed in high schools and abortion in society.

Here's the thing though: Macca reckons that sex ed in schools doesn't achieve anything. He has no real basis for saying that, but hey - that's his opinion. What he isn't clear on is why he thinks it's failing and what does he suggest is done about it. What's his alternative? No sex ed in schools at all? Abstinence perhaps? Up the bum, no babies?

I believe that sex ed in schools is worthwhile and is worth sticking with. The programme itself may not be perfect and there may be room for improvement in the way it is taught. What I don't see are any better ideas.

[IoriDyson]

sex ed lesson 1: if you are fucking use a condom. end.

[chubby]

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

I know that these types of perks have been going on in parliament forever - but calling for spending restraints and value for money in one area of the public service while defending this sort of wastage really is standard practice for the right.

fxd

[QWERTY?]

it would be interesting to see what age groups the abortions fall under.

[JP]

Originally Posted by Thomas Meatball

Oh yeah, as long as we exclude certain portions of data - which also happen to be the most recent and therefore arguably the most relevant - then we get the answer we want!

What the data doesn't show is the reason for these abortions. It's something of a tenuous link between sex-ed in high schools and abortion in society.

Here's the thing though: Macca reckons that sex ed in schools doesn't achieve anything. He has no real basis for saying that, but hey - that's his opinion. What he isn't clear on is why he thinks it's failing and what does he suggest is done about it. What's his alternative? No sex ed in schools at all? Abstinence perhaps? Up the bum, no babies?

I believe that sex ed in schools is worthwhile and is worth sticking with. The programme itself may not be perfect and there may be room for improvement in the way it is taught. What I don't see are any better ideas.

There's no believe it's worthwhile, it's certainly worthwhile. The only thing that would make it not worthwhile would be something even more effective, which is not what most anti-sex ed people are after. Abstinence only education is about as bad as having none at all. You're being too diplomatic, Macca needs a punch in the throat as usual so he can shut his stupid mouth.

[chiquelet]

Originally Posted by QWERTY?

it would be interesting to see what age groups the abortions fall under.

IIRC the most abortions always fall into either the 20-24 or 25-29...I think the former. Either way, women in their 20s account for the most abortions in NZ.

[fixed_truth]

Where are all those people that are so angry & resentful about women on the DPB? Is it ok that tax payers pay Bill English $1000 a week to live in his own house?

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

Where are all those people that are so angry & resentful about women on the DPB? Is it ok that tax payers pay Bill English $1000 a week to live in his own house?

Oh - but it's okay because he thanks us taxpayers for the money...

Thanks NZ!

[Ab]

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

Where are all those people that are so angry & resentful about women on the DPB? Is it ok that tax payers pay Bill English $1000 a week to live in his own house?

Thanks for getting the thread back on track.

OK, Bill English.

The foaming-at-the-mouth Draco T Standard position: evil capitalist farmer uses a trust to screw the proletariat!

Devil's advocate position: the guy is the MP for Clutha in Southland; having him based in Wellington and flying to his electorate when necessary is cheaper on the taxpayer than having him based in Clutha and flying to Wellington when necessary (because he needs to be in Wellington a lot). So the taxpayers are saving money by having him in Wellington.

My position: Bill English is a fucking idiot and deserves to be sacked from cabinet. Taking $1000 of taxpayer dollars a week to live in his own house, what a great move. Oh, what's that you say, the house isn't in his name it's actually owned by a family trust? Well gee, that looks so much better doesn't it? Because as everyone knows the use of taxpayer funds in conjunction with a trust is always a fucking public relations win, isn't it? Fuck me, has English noticed what's going on in the British parliament right now? Did he stop to think that his own situation might, you know, look a bit dodgy? While he was lecturing the country about hard times and tightening all our belts and everyone making sacrifices? GENIOUS_AT_WORK. $52,000 a year is peanuts but it's a very bad look and this affair makes me seriously doubt his judgement.

[zeekiorage]

I would post my reaction to this news but I have gotta get back to work. You see, people on benefit and the politicians in this country are counting (in more ways that one) on me and others to work hard and pay our taxes. Those million dollar houses don't pay for themselves, the unemployed need their hair cuts and kids of those unemployed single parents need good housing, education and nourishment. Above all the personal thank you notes motivate me beyond any other thing really.