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3rd October 2022, 17:29 | #2962 |
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NSW and VIC scared the shit out of people so much that when they took QR code check-in away, people reported they were afraid to go out without track and trace. So they put QR stickers back, but stopped collecting the data... just to heal people's psyche. NSW and VIC mirrored eachother's restrictions so they could just say "We can't be wrong because look at the other state doing the same thing!" "Depleted confidence". Absolute psychos. At least I keep my psychopathic impulses in check (stab a kitten, poison ducks in the lake.. you know, the usual stuff), these people are unscrupulous.
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3rd October 2022, 17:41 | #2963 | |
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This is what you're about. It's really difficult to engage when you place inside of me/us things that don't fit. The result is that I/we are mostly just trying to push out what you're pushing in. I'm speaking for myself but I sense my experience is shared, I'm not suggesting universally.
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3rd October 2022, 17:42 | #2964 | |
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My wife has MCAS - it's a common comorbidity of an underlying condition she has. We've known people with MCAS to have full blown anaphylaxis as a result of the vaccine. My wife had a not-that-mild reaction to the first vaccine (numbness in the face, migraine for days, injection site was a tennis ball), and a worse reaction with the second. She genuinely wants to get the booster, but neither her GP or the covid hotline can give her a straight answer as to how to get the booster under the eye of a doctor in case the reaction is worse a third time. They just shrug their shoulders and give the medical professional's accountability coat of arms.
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3rd October 2022, 17:44 | #2965 |
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So here's another little thought on the vaccines, or at least the MRNA ones.
Here's what you might describe as a reasonable description of the MRNA vaccines: The MRNA vaccines put a bit of the virus's RNA into your body in such a way that the body manufactures a limited quantity of spike proteins which are extremely similar to the spike proteins the virus uses to gain access to your cells, and so your immune system gets a bit of target practice on those spike proteins before it encounters the virus for real. Now, the effect of the vaccines in most cases here, was to either: 1. Prevent infection entirely. 2. Drastically reduce the severity of infection 3. Drastically reduce the transmissibility of infected people. Obviously, to some extent, some of these changed to some extent as newer variants popped up. But here are a few points to be made about the above: 1. For the vast majority of people, there was never really an option to both not get the vaccine *AND* not get the virus. If enough people didn't get the vaccine, that only made it more likely that almost everyone would get the virus, since there was little to keep its spread in check. So if enough people didn't get the vaccine, it was more or less a given that just about everyone was going to get the virus. 2. The vaccine operated by putting 1 protein that the virus creates into you for target practice. A large number of the people who reacted badly to the vaccine were probably reacting badly to the protein that it put into them. If they hadn't had the vaccine, then they might not have had that bad reaction to it, but it seems likely to me that they then probably would have had an even worse reaction to the virus, because in that case their immune system wouldn't have had any opportunities for target practice *AND* they wouldn't just be dealing with one spike protein, they would have been dealing with that spike protein *AND* the other 28 proteins the virus manufactures *AND* it wouldn't have been in a set finite quantity, it would have been endless replication of all of those proteins until either their immune system managed to beat it or until they were dead, because they'd likely be dealing with whatever unfortunate side effects they had as a result of the vaccine at the *same time* as dealing with having *literal covid*. Therefore: 3. Most likely, a very large number of the people that these fuckwit antivaxxers like to wank on about being vaccine injured could very well be dead right now if they hadn't had the vaccine. Last edited by Nothing : 3rd October 2022 at 17:46. |
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3rd October 2022, 18:11 | #2967 | |
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1. Was never intended to stop infection (despite what Rachel Maddow says). No intramuscular vaccine will ever stop a virus that enters via airways.
2. mRNA creates spike protein "factories" in blood, heart, brain, ovaries etc by default ( https://pandemictimeline.com/wp-cont...government.pdf ), and continues to do so for up to 60 days ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8786601/ ), which causes Immune Imprinting so your body only knows how to fight Wuhan strain, and is more likely to be infected with future strains. Quote:
3. The more you vaccinate, the more COVID infection in society. This is in data from any country. I still haven't caught COVID, I've been ready for 3 years taking all my anti-vaxx hippy remedies. Come on, I'm ready to be so sick I'll be admitted to hospital!
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3rd October 2022, 18:21 | #2968 |
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I haven't had covid yet either. I did get a cold recently, first since before the pandemic, I'm still coughing. The infection has passed I just have "long-cold", or just the normal time it takes for the lungs to recover, at least in my experience.
Closest call with covid was having dinner with a friend and the next day him telling me he tested positive. My main remedy is fruit every day, general health.
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3rd October 2022, 18:31 | #2969 | |
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My friend mentioned it was strange because she'd been stung by bees before, and never had a reaction like it. I found out there is an age component to it, and MCAS can develop over time, so that's definitely possible. I just find it weird that a lot of people are now having "medical events", and while it could definitely be an entire set of coincidences, there doesn't seem to be a push to find out the downsides. I would consider it important information. It doesn't affect me, so I'm not particularly fussed what the downsides are, but I find it hard to believe that it can kill a man, but not cause any other condition except death. Surely there are partial outcomes, ie damage to the body's function in some other way.
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"It remains to be determined precisely how the immune system responds to mRNA and other vaccine platforms compared with SARS-CoV-2 infection." So, yeah, that's some conclusive evidence you've got there, buddy. Quote:
I think it's certainly true that we had a big wave of cases when Omicron got here, which was shortly after we had achieved relatively high vaccination levels with booster doses. But that doesn't imply that the vaccine made it easier for omicron to spread. If we'd behaved the way we did with the vaccine, but not been vaccinated, we probably would have had *even more* cases than we in fact did. You're trying to imply that we had more cases because the vaccine somehow made people more susceptible to the virus than unvaccinated people, which just isn't true. There are 2 reasons we had a lot of cases once omicron got here. First, the vaccine was less effective against omicron than alpha / delta. That lower effectiveness doesn't mean tha the vaccine itself was making it easier for the virus to spread. The vaccine was still having a protective effect on people who were vaccinated. But: Second, once the majority of the population had received their booster shot, most people stopped worrying about getting the virus or spreading it so much, because they were protected by the vaccine. Since the vaccine wasn't stopping omicron as effectively as it stopped alpha and delta, the result of the more lax approach was that the virus spread. And this is exactly why the vaccine mattered, because this is exactly where we see the difference in case outcomes between NZ and the US. With our high vaccination rates, we had only a tenth of the death rate. Quote:
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3rd October 2022, 18:46 | #2971 |
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It sounds to me like you read up wrong.
I suffer from MCAS. It has nothing to do with bone marrow behaving badly. You probably read up about mastocytosis. EDIT: Too slow on the reply button. Obv reply to Titus. Last edited by _indigo1 : 3rd October 2022 at 18:47. |
3rd October 2022, 18:51 | #2972 | |
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We can't run the experiment again, so we don't know whether Omicron was a beneficial result of vaccine evasion, or just a natural outcome. We can't be both vaccinated and unvaccinated at the same time, so we don't know whether particular outcomes in a particular individual are or are not caused by the vaccine or bad luck, or how they would have fared with COVID in both situations. I think the only "fault" in the response was the coercion and mandating of it, because side effects weren't known or disclosed, yet people suffered them, and many only took the vaccine because they were required to, yet from all statistics of those who fared worse, they don't fit the description (elderly). There wasn't a large number of unvaccinated young people dying, so we can't say that not being vaccinated was an absolutely terrible decision, unless you did fit the description, but hey, if they've paid taxes all their life, and want to give up now and take their chances of not receiving the pension anymore, go right ahead. I think no matter which side of the fence you're on it's stupid to assume you have the whole picture, because obviously none of us do. However I think it's naive to say "the vaccines were without a doubt a success and perfect", just as it's ignorant to say "the vaccines are a depopulation tool and anyone who take them will be dead in 5 years". It's really a "wait and see" situation, because we're dealing with new technology, new treatments, and a whole lot of bad data. I don't think much is gained by calling people fuckwits however, although I understand you're passionate, so feel free, it's just easier to engage when there's not abuse thrown around left right and center, it just escalates into an ego war.
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3rd October 2022, 18:56 | #2973 | |
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3rd October 2022, 19:01 | #2974 | |
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MCAS is a LOT more common. It is just the mast cells losing their shit and degranulating at the drop of a hat - which is prone to happen when ones immune system is stirred up from comorbid issues. But the quantity of them in the body is still normal. Mastocytosis is a first-rate pathology in which the marrow pumps out way too MANY mast cells. |
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3rd October 2022, 19:03 | #2975 |
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Do you guys think the flu jab works?
Or does it perhaps not work, and it has flown under the radar as we haven't had it scorch the globe in a pandemic the way COVID did. :trollface: |
3rd October 2022, 19:13 | #2976 |
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All I know is, if I develop anything, it wasn't from the vaccine.
As for the flu jab, I don't think it really works because I've had it before and still got sick ("that's how you know it's working!" thanks cunt, I wanted to avoid sickness, not help society). No one even gets influenza in the real world, they just get a cold :P I last got it because I like needles and attention, but this was years ago at university. Haven't bothered since. There was a Slashdot article a few months back that pointed out they were having a terrible season for the flu jab because they were mostly made from statistical analysis of what variants were in the wild, but due to lockdowns it was so variable by area, so it was really a lucky dip, and it was performing particularly poorly for most people. I just trust my body, because all those things rely on your body/immune system to do the heavy lifting, and I've had good results so far, so "don't fix what isn't broken". I realize you're trolling because of trollface, but I'm still replying anyway.
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3rd October 2022, 19:23 | #2977 | |
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when flu vaccines are chosen each year, they choose the strain they anticipate will be high prevalence in the upcoming season. If they choose the wrong strain, the immune system is trained to fight the wrong thing, and it increases sickness.
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https://twitter.com/mindybee14/statu...94586446557185 Pfizer VP says: “There is NO established correlative protection” NSW Vaccine surveillance data from July: https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infect...w-20220730.pdf The more NSW vaccinates, the more sickness and death. ONS Deaths by Vaccination status: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...nstatusengland
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If someone's view is genuinely "I don't know", then probably they should accept the views of the majority of experts who *do* know, rather than be an admitedly ignorant contrarian for some suitably inane reason as "nobody has the full picture". If your view is "I don't know" and you're refusing to trust the experts who do know, then your behaviour is not consistent with "I don't know" and you're bullshitting about what your view really is. |
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3rd October 2022, 19:57 | #2979 | |
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3rd October 2022, 23:09 | #2983 | |
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Because that's all I heard for two years. Noise and dictatorship. If you said "OK" that's fine man. I said "no thanks", and the only one waiting on results from the experiment is you. I'm satisfied it's over for me. It's been so long we've both the same protection, but you've got modified spike flowing through your veins. How good are you at tennis? I'll give you a game.
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3rd October 2022, 23:28 | #2984 | |
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A lot of people who are making the kind of bad arguments you're coming up with are making so many mistakes in the way they're thinking about it that it's hard to know where to even start with them. It probably goes back to some un-interrogated pre-argumentative assumptions that they have made about how the world works. The only thing a badly programmed machine is good at is making mistakes incredibly quickly. Honestly, how is tennis even relevant? You'd probably win at tennis, but I'm sure it would have much more to do with how much time I spend sitting on my ass than anything vaccine related. |
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3rd October 2022, 23:39 | #2985 | |
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Through 2021, the vaccine may have stopped a COVID death or 2 compared to unvaccinated (and "Ever Vaccinated"), 2022 is a completely different picture and for entire period vaccinated die from all other causes at higher rates per 100,000: -Immediately after first vaccine one's mortality rate jumps to second highest in entire data set, then goes even higher after 3 weeks. -If one survived the first dose, in all months of 2022 the 2nd dose kicks mortality rate up again -and if one survived the 2nd dose, the 3rd dose kicks mortality rate up AGAIN -and if one survive past 3 weeks after 3rd dose there lies the best mortality rate of any group in the data set, Keith Richards-tier drug tolerance.
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4th October 2022, 00:17 | #2986 |
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Nich, just out of curiosity, how long did you personally spend combing through that data set to reach these conclusions?
Also, do you have any particular qualifications or experience in a relevant field, like statistics, datascience, or even (ugh) econometrics? |
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This particular dataset, less than an hour. If you care about qualifications, listen to Dr Aseem Malhotra: https://twitter.com/DrAseemMalhotra/...86541302104065 Quote:
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and if you are still confused why -- if it's really that bad -- aren't all the experts out there warning everyone:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IwEv_rluhw "we own the science"
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4th October 2022, 13:16 | #2990 |
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No, pass. Totally skip all that noise. I have no way of assessing how appropriate the information some rando is presenting.
I'll stick to listening to people who have a reputation to lose. Rather than subscribers to gain.
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4th October 2022, 13:20 | #2991 | |
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4th October 2022, 13:33 | #2993 |
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I won't even click on any of those links because I don't want any algos even picking up on the fringe of that kind of shit for my profile.
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4th October 2022, 13:43 | #2994 |
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Won't click, won't look. To be expected. You deserve self-inflicted genocide.
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4th October 2022, 13:54 | #2995 |
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I click, I look. With discipline. I already have enough sources of dopamine, don't need an information junk food diet to get my kicks, to keep me out of depression.
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4th October 2022, 13:54 | #2996 |
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The issue is the masturbatory levels of self promotion on these videos you're posting.
Their point of view might be worth listening to, but I'm not going to trust it when they're using using the video as a platform to shoutout to their sponsors and promote their socials. Just like those that they claim to be most against, their number one interest appears to not be in public education, but in profit and promotion.
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4th October 2022, 13:56 | #2997 |
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It's the equivalent of listening to a busker rave on in a town square.
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In Nich's defense, the doc he linked to is a real actual doctor qualified in the field of cardiology. I think the problem is, though, that the doctor in question has also worked out that there's a lot of money to be made by publishing books about immunity-boosting miracle diets in the era of a pandemic.
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4th October 2022, 14:44 | #3000 |
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Thanks Simon, to clarify I was also referring to doctors who don't push their own self-interests, unlike the one he referred to (same comments apply to Doctors against Science or whatever the hell they're called).
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