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Old 17th October 2020, 13:49     #1
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Old 17th October 2020, 18:45     #2
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What stream(s) are people going to be following for the results?
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Old 17th October 2020, 19:33     #3
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Well, I'm watching the RNZ stream, seems aight. Looking very good for Labour, very bad for National. No mention of referendum results yet.
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Old 17th October 2020, 19:47     #4
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Jesus what a massacre. Also Auckland central
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Old 17th October 2020, 20:22     #5
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Very exciting. Brownlee getting reamed is lovely. Nick Smith too.
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Old 17th October 2020, 20:27     #6
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I really hope the Maori Party manage to get a seat. They're still just in reach with a couple of seats.
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Old 17th October 2020, 20:47     #7
Ab
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Very exciting. Brownlee getting reamed is lovely. Nick Smith too.
Agreed on Brownlee, not so much on Smith.

So so happy that Winston First looks toast.

I gave ACT my party vote this time around, and it looks like a lot of other people did too. On track for 10 seats right now.

I too am hoping that the Maori Party gets a seat, Rawiri Waititi taking Waiariki would be ace... but it's not looking likely.

National's getting thumped. Nice work Matthew Hooton.
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Old 17th October 2020, 21:01     #8
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Waiariki, 38%/13k counted, ~120 votes behind Labour.
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Old 17th October 2020, 21:02     #9
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Greens are obviously thrilled. Wonder what kind of deal they'll have with Labour. Labour won't want them in opposition. And just outright owe the Greens for their support in the past term.
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Old 17th October 2020, 21:27     #10
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BTW: yes and yes on the referenda.
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Old 17th October 2020, 21:30     #11
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Waiariki very close!
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Old 17th October 2020, 22:02     #12
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Pretty historic result.

Our non-politically interested, ms 21 was waiting outside for the polling station to open this morning. I wonder if the "not going to descend to the political point scoring of the past" new way, is something that gets the young people to stop thinking "they're both the same" and actually bother to vote. Will be interesting to see the stats.
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Old 17th October 2020, 23:11     #13
Nothing
 
Seems like Labour able to govern alone. Happy that we're keeping Jacinda. Happy Winston First is out. Bit bummed out that Labour doesn't need the Greens.
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Old 17th October 2020, 23:19     #14
Ab
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jeez I think Waititi is going to take waiariki!
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Old 17th October 2020, 23:49     #15
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Looking very good! I guess we'll have to see what the special votes bring.

The negotiations between Labour and Green will be very interesting. Lots of considerations. I doubt Green will opt for opposition, but they'll be looking to keep themselves distinguished from Labour, avoid being a patsy.
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Old 18th October 2020, 00:09     #16
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I gave ACT my party vote this time around, and it looks like a lot of other people did too. On track for 10 seats right now.
I voted 3 votes green, 1 vote death.
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Old 18th October 2020, 08:03     #17
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Thumbs up

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winston rides again
Jacinda's turn now!
Bye bye Winston.
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Old 18th October 2020, 09:18     #18
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My thoughts on the referendums

Just like my socket set in the garage, many of which I will never use.

Better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.

Just like the No-Homo reform bill. Not making it compulsory.
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Old 18th October 2020, 13:44     #19
Ab
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Tova sticks it to Jami-Lee Ross.

https://twitter.com/NewshubNZ/status...02395761893378

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Old 18th October 2020, 21:29     #20
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Just like my socket set in the garage, many of which I will never use.

Better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.

Just like the No-Homo reform bill. Not making it compulsory.
I cant see the Euthanasia bill not passing.
The cannabis bill, I wasn't so sure of, but considering how far the left went, its actually possible.
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Old 19th October 2020, 13:49     #21
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On newstalk zb heaps of the oldies are saying they saw the writing on the wall for National & so voted Labour to keep the Greens out.
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Old 19th October 2020, 13:59     #22
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Hmmm - how did that work out for them...

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Old 19th October 2020, 14:05     #23
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On newstalk zb heaps of the oldies are saying they saw the writing on the wall for National & so voted Labour to keep the Greens out.
Unsurprising, really.
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Old 19th October 2020, 14:55     #24
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On newstalk zb heaps of the oldies are saying they saw the writing on the wall for National & so voted Labour to keep the Greens out.
Because the govt better not touch their fucking money.
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Old 19th October 2020, 17:30     #25
Nothing
 
Honestly, I think a wealth tax would be a good thing. I just think that the Greens have been discussing a scary-low threshhold. A much better threshhold would be something like 3 - 5 million.
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Old 19th October 2020, 17:33     #26
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Thomas Pikkety wrote a dry but good book about capital and tax. Recommend++
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Old 19th October 2020, 17:35     #27
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I gave ACT my party vote this time around, and it looks like a lot of other people did too. On track for 10 seats right now.
I do not understand this. At all. National would have been a better choice.

A vote for ACT is a vote for invasion by feral bears.
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Old 19th October 2020, 22:23     #28
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I voted 3 votes green, 1 vote death.
Ditto.
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Old 20th October 2020, 22:37     #29
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On newstalk zb heaps of the oldies are saying they saw the writing on the wall for National & so voted Labour to keep the Greens out.
Because their grand children growing up in a world less affected by climate change is thing they're unwilling to make any sacrifice for
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Old Yesterday, 15:57     #30
blynk
 
I heard a good current theory by the political pundits the other day, which is a bit sad.

The likely outcome is that Labour will solidify themselves as centre. People who are left have a home in the Greens, and it means that National will have a harder time getting the centre voters.
Which means we won't get a lot of the things that Labour may have done last term but had NZF stopping them.

It makes sense, National started doing that with Key. They moved to the centre which meant Labour had to push left.
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Old Yesterday, 19:22     #31
Ab
A mariachi ogre snorkel
 
Jacinda's instincts seem to be those of a moderate centrist leader. Personally I find it hard to tell her apart from John Key policy-wise.
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Old Yesterday, 19:54     #32
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The difference will be in the practice. Where pressure is applied, where it isn't.

National claimed a mandate even when they weren't given one, and were a bunch of bullying cunts, which had consequences beyond any specific policy. Labour have real a mandate, I don't expect the same from them.

The trick is for the Greens to find a way to position themselves in the way that gives themselves the most leverage to pursue their agenda. They're certainly in a much better position to do that than ACT.
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