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10th September 2008, 18:51 | #121 |
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The Nats have released policy.
http://www.national.org.nz/ They haven't released all of their policies, but why should they? They're polling ahead of Labour as is and the election date hasn't been set yet. Why not keep the policies internal, leak out the more questionable ones (as they have done) and then when it comes to the date, introduce the ones that they believe will be crowd pleasers to boost their polling higher. |
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10th September 2008, 19:45 | #123 |
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I understand why they're not releasing policy at this time, but one can't help but wonder the reason they're not releasing it is because they suspect the public won't be all too happy with it.
I think it's fairly clear unless John Key turns into Sarah Palin, people are going to vote for National just to vote Labour out. |
10th September 2008, 19:53 | #124 |
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I think the whole leaking of policies makes Mallard look like a douche. For me it makes me think he lacks integrity. Not so sure that was the response he was going for.
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10th September 2008, 19:57 | #125 |
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I suppose he's trying to show that the party isn't as solid as John Key likes to make out. Either they've got a leak or some stupid minister, either way I don't think it is a good look.
I honestly believe it's the latter. Certainly noticed there does seem to be quite a bit of incompetence in that building. |
10th September 2008, 19:57 | #126 |
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Ok, lets just put an end to this whole "National haven't released any policy" nonsense, because it seems like it's the only attack anyone has at the moment.
Arts, Culture and Heritage Policy http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?ArticleId=28231 Broadcasting Policy http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?ArticleId=28180 Building and Construction Policy http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?ArticleId=28502 Broadband Policy http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?ArticleId=12338 Community Groups/Charity Policy http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?ArticleId=12095 2007 Foreign Affairs/Defense policy, soon to be updated following discussions http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?ArticleId=11174 Youth Guarantee Policy http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?ArticleId=28239 Trades in Schools Policy http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?ArticleId=28238 Early Childhood Care Policy http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?ArticleId=28202 Improving Childhood Health with Sport Policy http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?ArticleId=28149 Student Loan Policy http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?ArticleId=28237 I could go on for hours... but obviously, no point, because National haven't released any policy what so ever and despite the majority of these policies being fit to 2008 issues, Labour, who haven't really had policy shift outside of Tax Cuts (which they were forced into) are in a much better state of forward thinking than National. |
10th September 2008, 20:11 | #127 |
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Those are fairly small fry policies. Where is the economic policy, which y'know, affects every single one of us. And no, Bill English going "we can do better" to Michael Cullen after the Budget does not count.
Bottom line, if National poll below 45ish, they will sink. That is unless they can successfully destroy NZF and pick up a large chunk of their vote, and even then it's still far from a sure thing. I can imagine the HELEN IS A MAN LOL types will be screaming out for FPP in that case, but we all know what a clusterfuck that would be! |
10th September 2008, 20:38 | #128 |
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Well, some of the basis points of their economic policy can be found in the formation of "small fry" policy.
Like I said before, why release the crowd pleasers when the election is not set? |
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10th September 2008, 20:53 | #130 |
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Oh, well thank you for editing my posts to make them even more informed and correct.
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10th September 2008, 21:44 | #131 |
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Haydos, so if the Greens are not fixing the world in the manner you like, which political party is doing it better? Ie not keeping their head in the sand?
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10th September 2008, 21:49 | #132 |
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None.
Which is the frustrating thing at the moment. |
10th September 2008, 22:08 | #133 |
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For me, the thing about voting for the Green party is that I don't even have to agree with any of their policies in order to justify voting for them. Their mere presence in government forces every other party to look at improving their own environmental policies. National have to at least look like they're challenging the Greens on environmental issues, and the more support the Greens get, the wider the debate becomes. I don't disagree with them enough to overlook the greater effect of having them in government, regardless of who's actually in power.
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10th September 2008, 22:12 | #134 |
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Good point Adonis, while they are not the perfect solution, they are the least worst solution... If that makes sense.
In the interests of the future, I think they are the best bet. |
11th September 2008, 06:48 | #135 |
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The Green politicians actually behave themselves too. I'd even go as far as calling them.... honest?
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National, so far, has only promised to be Labour Lite which, in context, probably means a return to the policies of the 1980s. |
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11th September 2008, 11:47 | #137 |
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Who are the key people in the Greens that you believe can drive change and improve living standards?
What are their key policies to do so? It's one thing to say "They seem to keep their nose clean" It's almost like voting for them because they're a weak, lukewarm cup of tea that won't burn your mouth. |
11th September 2008, 11:54 | #138 | |
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11th September 2008, 12:22 | #139 |
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Yeah, it's what I figured, but I think people misunderestimate what the Green's actually want to do to New Zealand and vote for them because as you say, lesser of two evils, clear conscience... but realistically
Green's want to impose so many restrictions on trade and such that it's impossible for NZ to function under what they believe is a functional society. |
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11th September 2008, 12:53 | #141 |
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misunderstand/estimate combined.
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11th September 2008, 15:43 | #143 |
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Holy shit, I agree with a Garth George column, it's the end times.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/...ectid=10531564 |
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11th September 2008, 16:04 | #146 |
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Stopped reading after his retarded spew about global warming. If you don't understand it, fuck up about it. I can't even believe how so many fuckheads have convinced themselves that it's made up so some people could profit. Right, because there's so much more money and votes in trying to stop climate change than doing nothing.
I'd be embarassed to say I agree with a fuckstick like that cunt who was happy Bush got in simply cause he shared his 'christian values'. He can eat a dick. He should move to America. |
11th September 2008, 16:05 | #147 |
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He seems a bit conflicted to me - his last complaint is the old "nanny state", yet in point 4 is is complaining about user pays :P
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11th September 2008, 16:12 | #149 | |
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11th September 2008, 16:15 | #150 |
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So, you write off an entire collection of points because you disagree with one of them?
And more to the point, you avoid reading things that you don't agree with? Wow. |
11th September 2008, 16:16 | #151 |
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Re: all this talk of crazy greenies
For most people I know who vote green (and by the looks a couple of people here), its recognized that there are some (fairly) extreme elements in the party. But its not about giving them outright control, its the influence they carry into any coalition that brings us things like better public transport instead of perpetual road building, actual debate on environmental issues, etc. Naturally extreme ideas are tempered by the dominant party and debate in the house anyway. (What are some of the extreme things anyway? I'm thinking things like zero-waste targets, carbon taxes, etc. are actually kind of logical and don't need to be anti-economic if done right.) And FWIW, there are plenty of extreme elements in the national party that would love to see free market economics, no social welfare, user pays health care and education, etc. etc. too. Its just the national party is less transparent than the greens. |
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11th September 2008, 16:37 | #155 | |
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Yes one point was enough to ignore the rest of his spew. I've read plenty of his opinions, and can recognise partisan spew when its as obvious as his. Was hoping possibly he'd come out with something good (as AB empahised his usual shit is trash, and was surprised this wasn't). However it was. It just happened to agree with the way AB felt. Trash that agrees with the way you feel is generally regarded as not trash because you're blinded. It happens to all of us. But that was still trash. I don't blame you for feeling differently since it supports the opinions you already hold. I'm sure I do it to sometimes. Last edited by JP : 11th September 2008 at 17:00. |
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11th September 2008, 17:06 | #157 |
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Oh and don't take the harsh tone personally. It just grinds my gears when people think they're oh so clever making retarded retorts like the several that followed my post. They don't even have any viable logic, but you pat yourself on the back like you've burned me or something. Garrrrr.
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11th September 2008, 17:18 | #159 |
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I sense a flame war shall soon engulf this thread. I look forward to watching the victim(s) get burnt.
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11th September 2008, 17:23 | #160 |
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wow you have psychic powers, now fuck off and go slice your wrists with tarot cards
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