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1st March 2018, 17:08 | #41 |
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Disagree. The issue here is not one of ideas, or openness, or advertising budgets. It's a simple "competition for a resource" issue in the era of capitalism, no different from oildrilling or fishing.
The resource is human attention. The resource is limited by each human's waking hours*. Companies trying to capture that resource are competing with each other. And it's zero-sum competition - if Facebook has your attention, for as long as it has your attention Twitter does not have it. Or Snapchat. Or Netflix. If I win that means I am making you lose. The companies measure their success by their stock values**, and that stock value is tied to performance. How are they measuring performance? Users and engagement. How many humans' attention do you have and how often do you have it. The more attention you get from more humans, the better your quarterly filings are, the better your stock price performs, the more money you have to chase the humans and the attention. Wheee, positive feedback loop. And these companiesare now so rich they have essentially unlimited funding with which to pursue that attention. Here's the fun bit: if you're in an unregulated crowded market trying to sell a consumable good, the first company to make its product legally addictive wins the game. So you have a bunch of incredibly rich technology companies whose continued richness depends on them making the thing that captures the most human attention in such a way that humans are addicted to doing it. And their activities in pursuing this goal are essentially unregulated, thanks to the US DMCA (Google made sure that there was a "we can't be held responsible for the stuff our users post to our services" provision in that law to cover it from Youtube copyright suits. That provision means that the services have blanket cover from govt regulation because hey, we just aggregate the users' own content, right?) Summary: anyone who plays in this game is fucked. * hence why different tactics. Facebook: we want your waking hours. Netflix: we want to increase the number of waking hours you have. ** see: https://www.cringely.com/2018/02/26/...-middle-class/ |
1st March 2018, 22:09 | #42 |
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Something something deregulation something neolib something.
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2nd March 2018, 11:09 | #43 |
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Yes, I am not seeing the proverbial forest (the Facebook, twitter, et al) for the trees (CNN wanting as many followers as PewDiePie)
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2nd March 2018, 13:24 | #44 | |
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HENCE WHY FOREVER ALONE
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We are the ones agreeing to give up our attention/information/meta-data through our own laziness, mostly for convenience. Therefore, the solution depends on us modifying our own behaviours. Even this site gives Google information, which is not our attention, but Google still benefits by learning more about us as individuals.
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2nd March 2018, 16:22 | #46 |
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^^^ There's careful, and then there's straight-up nutty.
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2nd March 2018, 17:05 | #47 |
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Would anyone be interested in actual books on these topics? Because I've got a list as long as my (short stubby little) arms from when I studied (and tutored) this stuff at uni.
I think, as Nich said, it's hard to connect the two topics without understanding the backgrounds & practices behind each field - I'm more knowledgeable about the news end of things than the social media end.
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2nd March 2018, 18:24 | #48 |
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Yeah I'm game, post some titles.
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2nd March 2018, 21:56 | #49 |
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I'll rustle up some resources over the weekend - people can take and leave what they want. I'll try and find as much freely accessible stuff as I can.
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5th March 2018, 16:27 | #50 |
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I came looking for the Lizzy Shaw hate fuck thread since she is a regular commenter in Stuff political threads but I saw this thread full of old fogies grouching about social media.
I felt compelled, being an old fogie myself, to comment. Me too. Killed FB 3 weeks ago. Feel much better.
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5th March 2018, 17:04 | #51 |
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A Wild Mabd appears!
He even remembered to use the little devil icon.
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5th March 2018, 17:07 | #52 | |
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9th March 2018, 13:21 | #55 |
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Cheers. But I was starting to care too much about it. I was starting to enjoy that ego-stroke of being Mr Witty Internet Guy and counting my likes and shares. Which is how they hook you.
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20th March 2018, 13:53 | #58 | |
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https://techcrunch.com/2018/03/18/ev...n-explanation/
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20th March 2018, 18:32 | #59 |
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They don't even mention the NZ Idol thread - amateurs...
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21st March 2018, 14:29 | #60 |
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something something cambridge analytica
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21st March 2018, 19:15 | #61 |
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I’m a light user of FB, LinkedIn and Twitter - very rarely post anything public, logging in almost exclusively for the purpose of keeping in touch with close friends, family and some former colleagues. All news, advertising, political opinions etc are summarily ignored (I get very little in my feeds anyway). This arrangement works very nicely for me tbh.
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22nd March 2018, 13:45 | #62 |
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Interesting take on the Cambridge Analytica disaster, ideas not entirely mine (Gruber, Cringely, randos in the street):
Zuckerberg knew in 2015 that Cambridge Analytica had been using Facebook to identify and manipulate voters as part of the Trump campaign. Zuckerberg lied to the entire world when he said, in 2016 "Personally I think the idea that fake news on Facebook, which is a very small amount of the content, influenced the election in any way — I think is a pretty crazy idea". We now know that he fucking knew it had been happening, and Trump's victory proved that it worked. Zuckerberg spinning FUD about it and not doing anything to change the Facebook functionality and policies that enable it suggest one conclusion: The Facebook functionality and policies that enable voter manipulation to sway elections were there deliberately because Zuckerberg intended to use them himself, for himself. I know, silly, because Zuckerberg isn't running for President. Totally not running for President. |
22nd March 2018, 14:37 | #63 |
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We're swimming in data but barely perceive its value.
Huge data volumes, ultra-fast machines, contemporary AI... the possibilities are intense.
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23rd March 2018, 16:50 | #65 |
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If anyone is upset about Cambridge Analytica it's the current media conglomerates who are losing their current monopoly on influencing public decisions.
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24th March 2018, 09:32 | #66 |
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28th March 2018, 12:59 | #71 |
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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...google-collect
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28th March 2018, 13:45 | #72 |
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28th March 2018, 15:14 | #74 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eMYiDaY3-Q
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28th March 2018, 16:13 | #75 |
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http://optout.aboutads.info
Because fuck it, why not. Opt out of as many things as you can. This is on a PER BROWSER basis though.
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1st April 2018, 20:56 | #76 |
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https://alternative-science.com/tech...-musk-facebook
I hope this is true. Elon Musk offers to buy 100% ownership of Facebook so he can delete it and “do humanity a favour” |
1st April 2018, 22:56 | #77 |
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What part of it strikes you as true? 😉
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3rd April 2018, 14:59 | #79 |
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April fools or no, I would enjoy Facebook falling into the bargain bin.
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It would be something to see if Facebook suddenly just stopped.
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