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Old 1st August 2020, 22:06     #5682
Lightspeed
 
Saying National are good managers of the economy is just another way of saying "I always vote blue".
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Old 3rd August 2020, 15:09     #5683
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I could elaborate on that, but it wouldn't be polite.
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Old 3rd August 2020, 18:11     #5684
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Ironically the thing that fixed the Muldoon-era economic clusterfuck was Rogernomics. Are we allowed to feel good about that again?
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Old 3rd August 2020, 20:37     #5685
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I think the point was neither party is particularly more gifted than the others, economically, so why the enduring myth favouring National?
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Old 4th August 2020, 01:25     #5686
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Ironically the thing that fixed the Muldoon-era economic clusterfuck was Rogernomics. Are we allowed to feel good about that again?
No, I don't think that Rogernomics really 'fixed' anything, to be honest.
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Old 4th August 2020, 06:49     #5687
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No, I don't think that Rogernomics really 'fixed' anything, to be honest.
Hmm - I think the introduction of a universal consumption tax that also applied to those that may have been avoiding income tax through technical means because they could was a bit of a step forward.
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Old 4th August 2020, 08:38     #5688
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Amongst Labour supporters, 96 per cent agreed medical professionals have done a good job. But for National supporters, the figure was 69 per cent.

Almost 98 per cent of Labour supporters said the response was successful, but for National supporters it was only 40 per cent.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/polit...ng-party-lines
To be fair I guess a chunk of those Labour voters were former National voters who saw the light, leaving the dregs.
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Old 4th August 2020, 09:26     #5689
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I wonder how many of those "National supporters" have any clue what National stands for this election.

I'm fascinated by the notion that tribal supporters actually have very little idea of the actual policies their party stands for, and it's more about their emotional perception of the party leader that matters most.
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Old 4th August 2020, 12:12     #5690
blynk
 
And the same happened under Key as well. So its nothing new.
Ideal, no.
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Old 4th August 2020, 12:17     #5691
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No way am I voting for National this election.
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Old 4th August 2020, 12:46     #5692
Ab
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Quote:
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No, I don't think that Rogernomics really 'fixed' anything, to be honest.
Yes I miss the good old days of the country's telecommunications infrastructure being administered by the Post Office
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Old 4th August 2020, 12:49     #5693
Ab
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I'm fascinated by the notion that tribal supporters actually have very little idea of the actual policies their party stands for, and it's more about their emotional perception of the party leader that matters most.
how dare you criticise Saint Jacinda! your words constitute violence and I demand that the owner of nzgamesdotcom be cancelled for operating an unsafe Internet page
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Old 4th August 2020, 13:18     #5694
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Yes I miss the good old days of the country's telecommunications infrastructure being administered by the Post Office
Indeed, because the only thing that could ever possibly drive technological progress is the free market. All bow before the invisible hand.
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Old 4th August 2020, 15:52     #5695
Ab
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I'm not talking about technological process, I'm talking about the lived experience that when young me broke the single rotary-dial landline phone in our home, my Dad had to apply to the Post Office for a replacement (it wasn't our phone, or the house's phone, it was the Post Office's phone) and we were without one for the (days?weeks? I forget) until a replacement could be assigned to us. Because there were literally no other phones or providers of phones in the country. That's the sort of Stalinist planned-economy bullshit that NZ was before Rogernomics.

Oh yeah, carless days, who remembers that shit. Kids these days.
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Old 4th August 2020, 16:05     #5696
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how dare you criticise Saint Jacinda!
That's not tribalism, it's much closer to what you suggest, which is why Ardern's face can be found posted and painted across the world right now.

I don't vote for Greens because of their policies. I vote for their values and behaviour.
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Old 4th August 2020, 16:15     #5697
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https://youarenotsosmart.com/2019/03...y-rebroadcast/
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Old 4th August 2020, 18:00     #5698
Ab
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Quote:
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Quote:
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/polit...ng-party-lines
Among Labour supporters, 96 per cent agreed medical professionals have done a good job. But for National supporters, the figure was 69 per cent.

To be fair I guess a chunk of those Labour voters were former National voters who saw the light, leaving the dregs.
Galaxy brain: I'm not a medical professional so I have no fucking idea if they've done a good job or not. All I can see are the actions of the government and the public service. Medical professionals don't impose lockdowns or open quarantine facilities or tighten borders.

who the fuck writes these polls and clickbait articles, kill all humans
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Old 4th August 2020, 21:19     #5699
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Health professionals are responsible for identifying and investigating any COVID-19 cases including
testing for and tracing all potential cases. They also are responsible for applying appropriate contact tracing and infection control measures to prevent its spread including isolating cases and their close contacts.
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Old 5th August 2020, 02:02     #5700
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Health professionals are responsible for identifying and investigating any COVID-19 cases including
testing for and tracing all potential cases. They also are responsible for applying appropriate contact tracing and infection control measures to prevent its spread including isolating cases and their close contacts.
By the broad definition every person who works for the Ministry of Health or a DHB is a "health professional". As Minister David Clark was a "health professional" and he was fucking useless.
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Old 6th August 2020, 15:41     #5701
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Do the Greens have National worried, or are they just picking a target more to their size?

https://imgur.com/a/xZPJZ4R
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Old 6th August 2020, 19:28     #5702
blynk
 
Probably thinking if they can get them to just below 5%, then that's all wasted votes for the left.
Then that means their 35% share will jump up a little
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Old 11th August 2020, 20:56     #5703
Lightspeed
 
Woodhouse's isolation homeless mystery man claim debunked

Or: National are cynical cunts. Always have been.

Too bad the loud right wing crowd around here are long silent. I'd love to stick it to those cowards.

cyc will only pop in if he thinks I'm getting beat up, GT is probably off fucking Asian slaves somewhere.
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Old 11th August 2020, 21:29     #5704
Ab
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I didn't get all the "Merv" National jokes online today until 30 secs ago.
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Old 11th August 2020, 22:10     #5705
Lightspeed
 
It's so par for the course now for National it's barely worth mentioning.

National is a party of tricks and cons, exposed for all to see without the charismatic shills around to keep up the facade of "good managers of the economy", their most cunning trick of all.
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Old 11th August 2020, 22:13     #5706
Ab
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What you mean “now”, Hone Carter?
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Old 13th August 2020, 21:07     #5707
Ab
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Holy what the fucking fuck, National can fuck right off.

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“I’m just outlining facts.”

“The media should ask their own questions.”
No, Collins and Brownlee, you should LICK MY BALLS.
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Old 14th August 2020, 00:18     #5708
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Brownlee both sounds and looks like an angry internet troll.

https://youtu.be/N2L9s_V4bWg

It's just so fucking blatant. Who does he think he is? I shudder to think what he got away with when in power.
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Old 14th August 2020, 10:57     #5709
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I can imagine the deputy prime minister standing there and saying the exact same things if the roles were reversed.
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Old 14th August 2020, 22:54     #5710
The Edge
 
facepalm

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...iracy-theories
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Old 15th August 2020, 18:23     #5711
The Edge
 
Also: https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/14...iracy-baiting/
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On Wednesday – the first day of the second coronavirus lockdown – Collins demanded a postponement of the election, raising concerns about the legitimacy of any electoral outcome using postal ballots
I'm sure I've also heard that from someone else...

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Old 15th August 2020, 20:46     #5712
pxpx
 
Electoral integrity aside, the lock down does give Jacinda a daily slot on the telly, and restricted gathering makes campaigning difficult (in AKL at least, and its for everyone).

But its 2 weeks, so meh. We'll be ok.
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Old 15th August 2020, 22:26     #5713
blynk
 
She may come out on Monday and say the election stays, but the daily updates will be done by Bloomfield & Hipkins
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Old 16th August 2020, 14:37     #5714
crocos
 
Quote:
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She may come out on Monday and say the election stays, but the daily updates will be done by Bloomfield & Hipkins
Hipkins isn't half the communicator the PM is. It would be a mistake.
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Old 17th August 2020, 18:10     #5715
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Hipkins isn't half the communicator the PM is. It would be a mistake.
That is true, but the complaints are the Ardern gets "free air time" during covid while the others don't, so remove that from the equation to stop giving them some BS ammunition.

I was going to say just Bloomfield, but then there will be some shit about how the government is missing in action.
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Old 18th August 2020, 15:51     #5716
Lightspeed
 
Documents show ministry blunders on Wellington's Carillon tower

This is a fantastic metaphor for National's approach to NZ's social services in government.

Cut corners to save money, ignore advice, when costs balloon and things still turn to shit "we didn't even know", they did know.
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Old 27th August 2020, 17:36     #5717
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Judith and co jumping further out of touch with most NZers.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...usiness-policy
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Old 28th August 2020, 00:02     #5718
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Did she arch an eyebrow when she said this? Remember, if she arches an eyebrow when she says something, she's joking.
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Old 2nd September 2020, 15:33     #5719
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I wondered if the eyebrows were in play when she talked about not being able to control her husband.

And after the Herald article, I'm starting to warm to Dr Shane.
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Old 2nd September 2020, 15:54     #5720
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Yeah, Dr Shane is a standout this past couple of weeks. Where has National been hiding him?
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