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10th August 2010, 21:02 | #41 |
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Lol, THE WAR ON THE POOR! FUCKEN JOHN KEYS IS ALL ABOUT RICH PEOPLE AND HE HATES POOR PEOPLES!
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Positive focus to create jobs better than benefit-bashing
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11th August 2010, 12:05 | #43 | |
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17th August 2010, 01:21 | #44 | |
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Waking up to the problem in the USA.
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17th August 2010, 01:25 | #45 |
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The problem is with a broke US, people get more desperate and crazy people with crazy promises get elected to power. Broke or not, the US has a lot of nukes and has plenty of viable scapegoats, like Iran.
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17th August 2010, 01:53 | #46 | |
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17th August 2010, 10:14 | #47 |
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go go compulsory kiwisaver!
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17th August 2010, 16:26 | #49 |
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Sounds like they're beginning to accept reality.
People can only have their cake and eat it too for so long.
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17th August 2010, 16:54 | #50 |
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Labour were going to make it (comp Kiwisaver) an election issue, so I guess the Nat pollsters have run the numbers and decided to head them off before they could.
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17th August 2010, 18:13 | #52 |
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Both: For those that are using it it's been a great success, but not enough people are using it to have an overall net impact.
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18th August 2010, 10:11 | #53 | |
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18th August 2010, 13:27 | #54 | |
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I'm with ASB and they offer a range of plans with different amounts of different fund types in them.
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18th August 2010, 14:06 | #56 |
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Everyone that uses the hospital gets better. Not enough people are using the hospital.
Though if you're in kiwisaver you're still entitled to a pension, so I would like to to see compulsory kiwisaver with state pension phased out.
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18th August 2010, 14:10 | #57 | |
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18th August 2010, 14:19 | #58 |
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Do you not think that a 2% contribution is a justifiable investment for a family?
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27th October 2011, 14:25 | #59 | |
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27th October 2011, 14:53 | #60 |
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I guess the net effect of this is that Key's promise of keeping the age at 65 is now in essence a bribe to those voters retiring in the next few years. How big that bribe is seems to depend on how long Key stays pm, since to keep his pledge he could step down as PM and then National move the age. Are Labour going to have some numbers on what it will cost extra for every year it remains at 65.
Looking forward to all the GenXers whining about working their whole lives and expecting it in return and that GenY is the gen that expects eveything easy. |
27th October 2011, 16:38 | #61 |
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I’ve obviously been looking at the ‘can’t afford superannuation’ problem the wrong way. I’ve always thought of the problem as:
“When all these baby boomers retire how are we possibly going to afford their self-appropriated entitlements?” When in fact the actual problem appears to be: “When we retire, how can the rest of country afford our entitlements? – B. Boomer” Granted this policy does affect half of the boomers (1945-1965), they still collectively receive 80% of their retirement age entitlements from ages 65-67 (rough calc based on 2 month reduction per year from 2020) 394/504 months. Hardly much of a haircut. |
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27th October 2011, 20:41 | #63 |
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The population age bubble is quite different in NZ compared to many other countries and there are alternative less painful ways of dealing to it than the desperate measure of just increasing the eligibility age. labour knows this full well.
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27th October 2011, 20:50 | #64 |
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Well I'm hearing the number of people set to retire will double by 2020, pension costs 4% of GDP which is set to rise to 8% in that same period.
Sounds like a perfectly sensible thing to do, completely ruling out any policy changes for an entire age range for the tenure of your leadership is actually worse - and that's what JK has done. Last edited by GM : 27th October 2011 at 20:52. |
27th October 2011, 21:12 | #65 |
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Of the several alternatives here is one that's very easy to understand: Why not change the age profile of the population instead? There's plenty of room to balance the population with youngsters and there's decades of time within which to do it.
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How is the population age bubble different in NZ? Looks pretty similar to other countries to my untrained eye. http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_...ing-in-nz.aspx I'd love to be proven wrong on this, I really don't want to see our country just paying for it by more debt and selling what little else we have |
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28th October 2011, 08:04 | #69 | |
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28th October 2011, 08:25 | #72 | |
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Gently around the S-bend Merrily merrily merrily merrily, Something something lol.
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28th October 2011, 10:20 | #73 | |
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Despite Key bullshitting that it doesn't need to happen, only people in denial won't acknowledge that it really does. GG Labour.
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28th October 2011, 10:57 | #74 |
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Its not like raising it is going to have much effect on people yet.
It starts in 9 years time, so if you are 56+ then it doesn't affect you. And then in goes about 2 months per year, so if you are 50+ its only 1 extra year. Just do it already. The majority of occupations now are not heavy labour, which would require an earlier retirement. |
29th October 2011, 22:17 | #75 |
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Yeah it's one of those no-brainers really, don't see why they don't just do it.
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29th October 2011, 23:25 | #76 |
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Old people vote, that's why
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30th October 2011, 09:41 | #77 | |
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30th October 2011, 11:18 | #79 |
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And what stone tablet is this written on?
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Raising the retirement wage is endorsed by the Retirement Commission, most NZ economists and political commentators, and even your mates from ACT.
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