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Old 13th October 2021, 11:09     #1001
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I've watched his latest Netflix stand up. He does cash in with some lazy transphobic rhetoric e.g. equating gender to blackface, equating Ali's name change with Jennier's transition 50 years later, and siding with Rowlings gender denial. Comedy is kind of a weird context as it's traditionally a hall pass for joking about controversial subjects but at the same time it is perpetuating outdated and harmful ideas.
Harmful ideas. My god... the idea hurts me! Granted, some people with bad ideas are claiming Dave is "on our side!". They are looking at it wrong.

Look at it another way, jokes and transgressions will help heal a societal divide, prudish perpetual victim status will widen the divide. One is inclusive (I'm a joke, and so are you!), the other is exclusive (You cannot joke about that).
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Old 13th October 2021, 11:26     #1002
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Nah, I'll let those directly negativity affected by transphobia decide if it's okay. Otherwise it's just my privilege distorting things.
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Old 13th October 2021, 11:30     #1003
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I heard that he makes a joke about a trans woman committing suicide!
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Old 13th October 2021, 11:34     #1004
fixed_truth
 
Q.E.D
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Old 13th October 2021, 17:17     #1005
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11/10

https://youtube.com/shorts/-w0pioYEUDI?feature=share
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Old 14th October 2021, 11:23     #1006
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Boston Pride is one of the longest running gay festivals in the world, having started in a very different era - like, 1971 different - and should be celebrating its 59th anniversary this year.

It won’t be, because same-sex attraction is a hate crime, and sex doesn’t exist anyway, and the focus of any community event should obviously be defunding the police. Cancelled. Not just the parade - the 50-year-old gay pride org behind it has been shut down.
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Old 14th October 2021, 11:32     #1007
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The dissolution, announced Friday afternoon in a statement on the group’s website, comes after the reportedly all-white board of directors has faced ongoing accusations of ignoring racial minorities and transgender people.

“It is clear to us that our community needs and wants change without the involvement of Boston Pride,” the board said in its statement.

“We have heard the concerns of the QTBIPOC community and others,” the statement continued, referring to queer and trans people of color. “We care too much to stand in the way. Therefore, Boston Pride is dissolving. There will be no further events or programming planned, and the board is taking steps to close down the organization.”
Sounds like they weren't adequately representing their community.
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Old 14th October 2021, 13:32     #1008
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It's not much different in NZ. Being Asian is especially difficult if you're gay in Auckland.
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Old 14th October 2021, 15:43     #1009
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Boston Pride is one of the longest running gay festivals in the world, having started in a very different era - like, 1971 different - and should be celebrating its 59th anniversary this year.

It won’t be, because same-sex attraction is a hate crime, and sex doesn’t exist anyway, and the focus of any community event should obviously be defunding the police. Cancelled. Not just the parade - the 50-year-old gay pride org behind it has been shut down.
Bit of a bad take there dude. Even a cursory reading into the matter shows as much.
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Old 14th October 2021, 20:08     #1010
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So what you’re saying is… you DON’T think the police should be defunded?
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Old 14th October 2021, 20:13     #1011
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The NSW "Fixated Persons Unit" definitely needs to be! I had to double-check that was actually a real thing.
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Old 18th October 2021, 15:53     #1012
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A woman won a million-euro Spanish literary prize. It turned out that ‘she’ was actually three men.
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Old 18th October 2021, 16:59     #1013
Ab
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even better: the competition submissions were made and judged anonymously. So an anonymous author won a prize for literature, and it turned out that the author was a woman, who was three men.
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Old Yesterday, 11:11     #1014
Ab
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Margaret Atwood, author of “The Handmaid’s Tale”, cancelled for transphobia and hate speech

https://flip.it/zDK2Qz
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Old Yesterday, 12:03     #1015
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Classic identification with the aggressor:

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreak...esters_at_the/

Warning: may evoke rage.

This is the thing right, we don't get to oppress groups and then expect them to be all polite and grateful once they get out from under it.

In all cases we're human. Organisms that make decisions not via some kind of logical flow chart, but as a consequence of a biopsychosocial stew.
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Old Yesterday, 14:39     #1016
Ab
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Mentally scanning through The Closer in my head, it was

Joke about sexual abuse survivors
Joke about Jews
Joke about Asians
Joke about black Americans
Joke about white Americans
Joke about gays
Joke about lesbians
Joke about trans people ***BOOM***

With one exception those jokes were only in there to not provoke a reaction. They were anti-jokes. Chappelle is so good that this is the point he was making. The reaction to his show after the show is part of the show. No-one is calling for Chappelle to be cancelled for being a paedophile, or an anti-Semite, or a racist, or a homophobe.
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Old Yesterday, 15:35     #1017
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It's funny because the trans person leading the charge to cancel Chappelle is white
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Old Yesterday, 15:54     #1018
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No-one is calling for Chappelle to be cancelled for being a paedophile, or an anti-Semite, or a racist, or a homophobe.
Of course not. It's not a level playing field. Different groups are affected differently by jokes as those with comparatively less privilege have to deal with the effect prejudice has on how they live in society. And it's not like Chappelle's jokes were harmless ribbing, he went for the jugular with his gender denial.
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Old Yesterday, 17:54     #1019
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Mentally scanning through The Closer in my head, it was

Joke about sexual abuse survivors
Joke about Jews
Joke about Asians
Joke about black Americans
Joke about white Americans
Joke about gays
Joke about lesbians
Joke about trans people
Actually this list pretty much sums up why I don't watch Chappelle and haven't for years. He's got great delivery - that I'll credit. However pretty much all of his humour involves dumping on various groups of people, and always has.

Arsehole is as arsehole does, and this guy is an arsehole.
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Old Yesterday, 19:43     #1020
Ab
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"I don't need to read the book to know it should be burned!"
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Old Yesterday, 20:04     #1021
Ab
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Speaking of book-burning…

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Canadian schools eliminated 5,000 children's books in a ‘purifying’ ceremony against racism. Roughly 30 books, including Asterix and the Indians, were burned, while some 5,000 others have since been targeted for destruction by other means, according to reports.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/...xual-savagery/
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Old Yesterday, 20:42     #1022
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"I don't need to read the book to know it should be burned!"
The difference is, I'm just stating that the guy doesn't pedal humour I can enjoy, and he is an arsehole. I'm not calling for cancellation.

Frankly if every comedian that dumped on others were eliminated from being a comedian, probably 2/3rds of them would be gone.
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Old Today, 02:15     #1023
Ab
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Cunning

Once you realise he’s not a comedian and he’s not peddling humor, it becomes easier to understand.
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Old Today, 07:36     #1024
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Once you realise he’s not a comedian and he’s not peddling humor, it becomes easier to understand.
Yeah - there wasn't a lot of laughing in the last ten minutes of Closer.
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Old Today, 11:19     #1025
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Once you realise he’s not a comedian and he’s not peddling humor, it becomes easier to understand.
Right, so that leaves just an arsehole. Noted, cheers.
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