The great combined Smrtphone OS thread - Page 373

Spink · 27th April 2015, 18:07

MST looks neat and ApplePay in its current iteration will probably never take off because of it.

[BT]Monza · 27th April 2015, 20:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spink

MST looks neat

What is it?

Spink · 27th April 2015, 21:10

It's a thing that seems to send magnetic ~stuff~ to the swipe part of a thing that takes bank card swipes so it works with existing hardware instead of needing new hardware.

There's a peripheral to do it with iphones and androids (with touchID) https://www.looppay.com/how-it-works/

I think the first phone it's actually in is the Samsung Galaxy S6 and coming out as Samsung Pay later on.

"Samsung Pay" vs ApplePay -> http://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-pay-vs-apple-pay/

MadMax · 27th April 2015, 23:34

that's great that it will work for your standard bank card, but not for credit cards. still need to carry a wallet and I like the case my phone has already. sure as hell don't want to bulk it up any more than I need to.

BWDOWN · 28th April 2015, 12:56

Magnetic stripe is older tech and being phased out pretty quickly across the U.S.

crocos · 28th April 2015, 14:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWDOWN

Magnetic stripe is older tech and being phased out pretty quickly across the U.S.

Chip cards and <shudder> Visa PayWave (and whatever the MasterCard one is)

Spink · 28th April 2015, 15:13

My chip card has been treated well and still behaves shitty in a lot more "insert card" machines than I'd like it to. That whole rigamarole of Insert Card, Now Swipe it, Now Insert it again, now swipe it again, okay now you can enter your pin gets old really fast. Works every time with pay wave at least, I guess.

Don't New Zealand businesses hate pay wave and apple pay because it adds more fees and cuts into their margins. I thought I saw an article Ab(maybe?) posted about it a while back.

crocos · 28th April 2015, 17:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spink

Insert Card, Now Swipe it, Now Insert it again, now swipe it again, okay now you can enter your pin

Ooh, that's what my corporate card does, but none of my other cards need that. Suspect you (and I) have stuffed up cards.

Savage · 28th April 2015, 18:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by crocos

Ooh, that's what my corporate card does, but none of my other cards need that. Suspect you (and I) have stuffed up cards.

Agreed - an ex's card used to do that while my identical one worked just fine (up until a week ago). Now the Paywave chip intermittently doesn't work and I've gone back to having to insert. ANZ lady conveniently called me yesterday offering a free financial review service which was politely declined, but then while she was on the line got her to order me a new card

BWDOWN · 29th April 2015, 14:28

Will the S6 and S6 Edge save Samsung?

Does anyone care?

"The company’s mobile division limped along as consumers flocked to Apple Inc.’s new iPhones and devices made by Chinese brands like Xiaomi Corp. The division’s operating profit fell to 2.74 trillion won, 57% lower than a year earlier."

http://www.wsj.com/articles/samsung-...les-1430266156

"This quarter, Apple sold 61.2 million iPhones, 12.6 million iPads and 4.6 million Macs in the quarter. Compared to Q2 2014, iPhone sales grew by 40 percent while iPad sales declined by 23 percent. Mac sales are up 10 percent. Read all the details about iPhone sales and Mac sales."

http://techcrunch.com/2015/04/27/app.../#.7aqnmj:BC6m

mr selfdestruct · 30th April 2015, 13:04

In more topical news.

New tools for effortlessly converting iOS/Android apps into universal windows apps for any device that runs windows.

Still the question exists though, if your market has less than 10% windows market share, do you care? Is any effort, too much effort for something that looks pointless?

On the surface it would seem so but I put forward this argument:

So long as the effort/maintenance to support the windows version of the app does not outweigh the revenue or value (maybe number of active users that has been attributed a monetary value), it is worth doing because from a strategic point of view, regardless of size, its a completely available market with high user enthusiasm / very little competing products that is more likely to grow than shrink (as android/ios are at maturity/saturation).

Note that even if it was deemed that phone was a market that was unlikely to return a profit, other markets using exactly the same code on Windows such as Xbox or PC Desktop may have a far higher and more favorable market share for your proposed app.

Current commentary seems to keep suggesting that 'developers' wouldnt care like they have free reign to decide whatever products they want rather than strategy dictating their product offerings.

Ab · 30th April 2015, 13:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr selfdestruct

I put forward this argument:

So long as the effort/maintenance to support the windows version of the app does not outweigh the revenue or value (maybe number of active users that has been attributed a monetary value), it is worth doing

Only if you have unlimited resources. The opportunity cost of building and supporting a Windows app is all the money-making iOS work you've missed out on by not focusing on it.

On a side note your post suggests you're still in the trap of thinking that having market share makes you money. It doesn't. Having customers willing to pay you money makes you money. A single iOS user with a credit card generates more revenue than a million Android users downloading free apps.

Ab · 30th April 2015, 13:19

In more topical news,

Quote:

Samsung's profit sinks 39 percent as mobile profit shrinks

Samsung Electronics Co. said its first-quarter net income has plunged 39 percent as the smartphone business saw its profit shrink to less than half from a year earlier.

Sales fell 12 percent from a year earlier to 47.12 trillion won while operating income dropped 30 percent to 5.98 trillion won, in line with Samsung’s earnings preview earlier this month.

The wider-than-expected drop in net profit was due to a big profit plunge in Samsung’s mobile business. The maker of Galaxy smartphones said its mobile division generated 2.74 trillion won in quarterly profit, compared with 6.43 trillion won a year earlier.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/samsun...004149847.html

In other other topical news,

Quote:

Apple reports record second-quarter results

Apple today announced financial results for its fiscal 2015 second quarter ended March 28, 2015. The Company posted quarterly revenue of $58 billion and quarterly net profit of $13.6 billion, or $2.33 per diluted share. These results compare to revenue of $45.6 billion and net profit of $10.2 billion, or $1.66 per diluted share, in the year-ago quarter. Gross margin was 40.8 percent compared to 39.3 percent in the year-ago quarter. International sales accounted for 69 percent of the quarter’s revenue.

https://www.apple.com/pr/library/201...r-Results.html

pxpx · 30th April 2015, 14:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

Only if you have unlimited resources. The opportunity cost of building and supporting a Windows app is all the money-making iOS work you've missed out on by not focusing on it.

On a side note your post suggests you're still in the trap of thinking that having market share makes you money. It doesn't. Having customers willing to pay you money makes you money. A single iOS user with a credit card generates more revenue than a million Android users downloading free apps.

But there's high user enthusiasm, so, you know. Profit?

mr selfdestruct · 30th April 2015, 14:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

Only if you have unlimited resources. The opportunity cost of building and supporting a Windows app is all the money-making iOS work you've missed out on by not focusing on it.

On a side note your post suggests you're still in the trap of thinking that having market share makes you money. It doesn't. Having customers willing to pay you money makes you money. A single iOS user with a credit card generates more revenue than a million Android users downloading free apps.

Hold on. I didn't say make instead of. Make at the same time as the iOS app or after its completed. Same time, if done properly would probably add 10% or less effort to the development costs/time. However for that relatively low cost you can hit 4 other platforms (phone/tablet/xbox/desktop) simultaneously and monitor profitability and if even one of those is successful it is probably worth it.

Android users that download free apps stats, are not comparable to the windows user market. You make a good point here though as very little data is available to indicate how successful current windows apps are so you can only take a guess using an arbitrary figure and basing it on total number of active users. Some people have quit their day jobs and are making a profitable livelihood and you could argue that they couldn't have been as successful on iOS or Android because those markets are already saturated with too many apps competing against yours

http://blogs.windows.com/buildingapp...ion-downloads/

Ab · 30th April 2015, 20:35

I just find it amazing that anyone can think "just write the code once, it doesn't matter what the hardware it runs on will eventually be, and we'll make lots of money" in THE YEAR OF OUR LORD 2015.

mr selfdestruct · 30th April 2015, 22:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

I just find it amazing that anyone can think "just write the code once, it doesn't matter what the hardware it runs on will eventually be, and we'll make lots of money" in THE YEAR OF OUR LORD 2015.

I didn't say any of those three things.

If you make an app eventually the number of new downloads/payments basically flatlines or stops completely. You have the option to do something new or figure out a way to expand the market for said app. This is basically the only reason apps currently come to Windows cos its the easiest and cheapest way to just sell an existing thing into a new market that they know already has demand. Currently the cost often outweighs the potential profit... Maybe not anymore

DrTiTus · 1st May 2015, 01:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

I just find it amazing that anyone can think "just write the code once, it doesn't matter what the hardware it runs on will eventually be, and we'll make lots of money" in THE YEAR OF OUR LORD 2015.

Just an FYI, these guys push such a product:

http://www.embarcadero.com/products/...on-development

crocos · 1st May 2015, 11:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

I just find it amazing that anyone can think "just write the code once, it doesn't matter what the hardware it runs on will eventually be, and we'll make lots of money" in THE YEAR OF OUR LORD 2015.

Unity games editor?

Ab · 5th May 2015, 18:13

Apple ad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDAP9OWtQro

Samsung ad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlUPM7s_7_8

Quote:

Dave Pell
‏@davepell
Samsung is basically a cover band at this point.

mr selfdestruct · 5th May 2015, 18:58

Wow thats so much effort to go into something so profoundly fucking ugly but full credit to them for fooling rich idiots into buying them, well played.

Lightspeed · 5th May 2015, 19:38

The truly sad state of affairs is how many rich fools there are who can and will buy these things.

This is why we need equality. If not to alleviate suffering, then at least to get the world's resources out of the hands of these idiots.

MadMax · 5th May 2015, 20:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

Apple ad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDAP9OWtQro

Samsung ad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlUPM7s_7_8

http://youtubedoubler.com/fjBB

Lightspeed · 7th May 2015, 13:27

New Apple watch owners:
https://vine.co/v/eZTQQd0q35O

mr selfdestruct · 7th May 2015, 22:56

You dont even need to hold it up, that shits like a BEACON.

BWDOWN · 13th May 2015, 15:46

If you think Samsungs own ads are bad, check out S6 swagger adverts for Spark on YouTube

Yes "swagger"

*facepalm*

CCS · 13th May 2015, 18:34

Those ads are TERRIBLE. Truly and utterly. Some advertising executive needs a slap in the face for coming up with that shit.

BWDOWN · 21st May 2015, 14:01

Well the S6 is another flop from Samsung

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonke...-s6-bad-sales/

_indigo1 · 22nd May 2015, 00:37

Haven't you heard? It's not trendy to make profits any more.
Ask Amazon or Xero

The Edge · 22nd May 2015, 07:12

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C08WmKiwcSs

crocos · 22nd May 2015, 12:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Edge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C08WmKiwcSs

Gold.

pxpx · 22nd May 2015, 12:06

<3 silicon valley

mr selfdestruct · 26th May 2015, 14:56

Dear oh dear. Talk about clutching at straws. Tech news sites are saying that Samsung should bring back SD card and removable battery support with the S7 to improve sales.

Yep, that will do it. Maybe the world just wasn't ready for these amazing innovations when the S5 came out? Maybe it was just timing? .........

The S3 was the most successful. Just make EXACTLY the S3 again and keep the price point nice and low. Second hand S3's are a lot more popular than any of the newer models.

BWDOWN · 26th May 2015, 21:26

Nah Samsung mobile is doomed. The only thing making decent money for them is all the chips they produce for Apple phones.

I predict another massive slide in operating profit after the Note 5 and S6 sales tank. Before the end of this year we'll see Apple improve to around 25% market share and 95% profit share.

Trigger · 28th May 2015, 11:13

iphones...

https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlike...friends_turns/

If you send the following:

effective. Power لُلُصّبُلُلصّبُررً ॣ ॣh ॣ ॣ 冗

Send that to someone with an iPhone it turns their phone off
To an iphone, it restarts their phone.

pxpx · 28th May 2015, 11:51

Tried it and didn't work.

pxpx · 28th May 2015, 11:53

Oh it only happens if you have texts set up as banner notifications instead of popups.

pxpx · 28th May 2015, 11:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trigger

iphones...

https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlike...friends_turns/

If you send the following:

effective. Power لُلُصّبُلُلصّبُررً ॣ ॣh ॣ ॣ 冗

Send that to someone with an iPhone it turns their phone off
To an iphone, it restarts their phone.

Also it needs carriage returns so..

effective.
Power لُلُصّبُلُلصّبُررً ॣ ॣh ॣ ॣ
冗

BWDOWN · 28th May 2015, 13:23

Could not replicate either. Banner notifications on and numerous attempts by "friends". No problems at all

mpx · 10th June 2015, 13:56

So my Z3 has spat the dummy twice now, got repaired the first time and now I get the option to either get a replacement or choose a different phone. It seems people in here don't favour the S6 very much? It seems like it's the only real alternative - I loved my Z3, but I've lost confidence in it after having it fail twice on me now.

I have no real issue with no removable battery or extended memory, I don't put much on my phone and stream my music so all my phones have been 16GB and I've never gotten close to that. As far as I can see the S6 ticks a fair amount of boxes in terms of build quality and overall quality of the phone in terms of camera and display etc, is there a reason why people are bagging on it?

27th April 2015, 23:34	#14884
MadMax Stuff	that's great that it will work for your standard bank card, but not for credit cards. still need to carry a wallet and I like the case my phone has already. sure as hell don't want to bulk it up any more than I need to. __________________ My degree of sarcasm depends on your degree of stupidity. Last edited by MadMax : 27th April 2015 at 23:35.

30th April 2015, 13:04	#14891
mr selfdestruct The Deliverator	In more topical news. New tools for effortlessly converting iOS/Android apps into universal windows apps for any device that runs windows. Still the question exists though, if your market has less than 10% windows market share, do you care? Is any effort, too much effort for something that looks pointless? On the surface it would seem so but I put forward this argument: So long as the effort/maintenance to support the windows version of the app does not outweigh the revenue or value (maybe number of active users that has been attributed a monetary value), it is worth doing because from a strategic point of view, regardless of size, its a completely available market with high user enthusiasm / very little competing products that is more likely to grow than shrink (as android/ios are at maturity/saturation). Note that even if it was deemed that phone was a market that was unlikely to return a profit, other markets using exactly the same code on Windows such as Xbox or PC Desktop may have a far higher and more favorable market share for your proposed app. Current commentary seems to keep suggesting that 'developers' wouldnt care like they have free reign to decide whatever products they want rather than strategy dictating their product offerings. __________________ My real signature is not nearly as legible as this one.

5th May 2015, 18:58	#14901
mr selfdestruct The Deliverator	Wow thats so much effort to go into something so profoundly fucking ugly but full credit to them for fooling rich idiots into buying them, well played. __________________ My real signature is not nearly as legible as this one.

7th May 2015, 22:56	#14905
mr selfdestruct The Deliverator	You dont even need to hold it up, that shits like a BEACON. __________________ My real signature is not nearly as legible as this one.

13th May 2015, 18:34	#14907
CCS Stunt Pants	Those ads are TERRIBLE. Truly and utterly. Some advertising executive needs a slap in the face for coming up with that shit. __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

27th April 2015, 18:07	#14881
Spink	MST looks neat and ApplePay in its current iteration will probably never take off because of it. __________________ Weak hearts I rip.

27th April 2015, 21:10	#14883
Spink	It's a thing that seems to send magnetic ~stuff~ to the swipe part of a thing that takes bank card swipes so it works with existing hardware instead of needing new hardware. There's a peripheral to do it with iphones and androids (with touchID) https://www.looppay.com/how-it-works/ I think the first phone it's actually in is the Samsung Galaxy S6 and coming out as Samsung Pay later on. "Samsung Pay" vs ApplePay -> http://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-pay-vs-apple-pay/ __________________ Weak hearts I rip. Last edited by Spink : 27th April 2015 at 21:13.

28th April 2015, 12:56	#14885
BWDOWN	Magnetic stripe is older tech and being phased out pretty quickly across the U.S. __________________ Second place is the first loser..

28th April 2015, 15:13	#14887
Spink	My chip card has been treated well and still behaves shitty in a lot more "insert card" machines than I'd like it to. That whole rigamarole of Insert Card, Now Swipe it, Now Insert it again, now swipe it again, okay now you can enter your pin gets old really fast. Works every time with pay wave at least, I guess. Don't New Zealand businesses hate pay wave and apple pay because it adds more fees and cuts into their margins. I thought I saw an article Ab(maybe?) posted about it a while back. __________________ Weak hearts I rip.

29th April 2015, 14:28	#14890
BWDOWN	Will the S6 and S6 Edge save Samsung? Does anyone care? "The company’s mobile division limped along as consumers flocked to Apple Inc.’s new iPhones and devices made by Chinese brands like Xiaomi Corp. The division’s operating profit fell to 2.74 trillion won, 57% lower than a year earlier." http://www.wsj.com/articles/samsung-...les-1430266156 "This quarter, Apple sold 61.2 million iPhones, 12.6 million iPads and 4.6 million Macs in the quarter. Compared to Q2 2014, iPhone sales grew by 40 percent while iPad sales declined by 23 percent. Mac sales are up 10 percent. Read all the details about iPhone sales and Mac sales." http://techcrunch.com/2015/04/27/app.../#.7aqnmj:BC6m __________________ Second place is the first loser..

30th April 2015, 20:35	#14896
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	I just find it amazing that anyone can think "just write the code once, it doesn't matter what the hardware it runs on will eventually be, and we'll make lots of money" in THE YEAR OF OUR LORD 2015.

5th May 2015, 19:38	#14902
Lightspeed	The truly sad state of affairs is how many rich fools there are who can and will buy these things. This is why we need equality. If not to alleviate suffering, then at least to get the world's resources out of the hands of these idiots. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

7th May 2015, 13:27	#14904
Lightspeed	New Apple watch owners: https://vine.co/v/eZTQQd0q35O __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

13th May 2015, 15:46	#14906
BWDOWN	If you think Samsungs own ads are bad, check out S6 swagger adverts for Spark on YouTube Yes "swagger" facepalm __________________ Second place is the first loser..

21st May 2015, 14:01	#14908
BWDOWN	Well the S6 is another flop from Samsung http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonke...-s6-bad-sales/ __________________ Second place is the first loser..

22nd May 2015, 00:37	#14909
_indigo1	Haven't you heard? It's not trendy to make profits any more. Ask Amazon or Xero

22nd May 2015, 07:12	#14910
The Edge	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C08WmKiwcSs

26th May 2015, 14:56	#14913
mr selfdestruct The Deliverator	Dear oh dear. Talk about clutching at straws. Tech news sites are saying that Samsung should bring back SD card and removable battery support with the S7 to improve sales. Yep, that will do it. Maybe the world just wasn't ready for these amazing innovations when the S5 came out? Maybe it was just timing? ......... The S3 was the most successful. Just make EXACTLY the S3 again and keep the price point nice and low. Second hand S3's are a lot more popular than any of the newer models. __________________ My real signature is not nearly as legible as this one.

26th May 2015, 21:26	#14914
BWDOWN	Nah Samsung mobile is doomed. The only thing making decent money for them is all the chips they produce for Apple phones. I predict another massive slide in operating profit after the Note 5 and S6 sales tank. Before the end of this year we'll see Apple improve to around 25% market share and 95% profit share. __________________ Second place is the first loser..

28th May 2015, 11:13	#14915
Trigger Laserman	iphones... https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlike...friends_turns/ If you send the following: effective. Power لُلُصّبُلُلصّبُررً ॣ ॣh ॣ ॣ 冗 Send that to someone with an iPhone it turns their phone off To an iphone, it restarts their phone. __________________ Are you slow? The alleged lie that you might have heard, me saying, allagedly moments ago... That's a parasite that lives in my neck.

28th May 2015, 11:53	#14917
pxpx	Oh it only happens if you have texts set up as banner notifications instead of popups.

28th May 2015, 13:23	#14919
BWDOWN	Could not replicate either. Banner notifications on and numerous attempts by "friends". No problems at all __________________ Second place is the first loser..

10th June 2015, 13:56	#14920
mpx .	So my Z3 has spat the dummy twice now, got repaired the first time and now I get the option to either get a replacement or choose a different phone. It seems people in here don't favour the S6 very much? It seems like it's the only real alternative - I loved my Z3, but I've lost confidence in it after having it fail twice on me now. I have no real issue with no removable battery or extended memory, I don't put much on my phone and stream my music so all my phones have been 16GB and I've never gotten close to that. As far as I can see the S6 ticks a fair amount of boxes in terms of build quality and overall quality of the phone in terms of camera and display etc, is there a reason why people are bagging on it?