National Thus Far

[fixed_truth]

Who's talking about getting kicked out of any party?

If the Labour MP has these views then yes, they would also be an unacceptable choice to lead our govt.

[xor]

Originally Posted by lightspeed

I don't think he'll ever have a shot of leading the party.

He represents constituents of Mangere. He is a community leader. His attitudes are condoned by the labour party.

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

If the Labour MP has these views then yes, they would also be an unacceptable choice to lead our govt.

Members within the Labour party have these views...

[fixed_truth]

There's a difference between representing a single electorate and being prime minister of NZ.

Yes, there will be one or two instances of outdated conservative christianity in individual Labour Mps. I'm saying that it's morally wrong to have these people as PM because it legitimizes hateful values towards women and LGBTQ which causes real harm.

[Ab]

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

I don't think he'll ever have a shot of leading the party.

Of course, he's brown.

[xor]

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

There's a difference between representing a single electorate and being prime minister of NZ.

oh yeh? What's the difference?

[Lightspeed]

Yeah, what is the difference? What a puzzle.

Originally Posted by Ab

Of course, he's brown.

Oof.

[The Edge]

Chris Luxon goes on his first public outing as National leader in Morrinsville.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/polit...om-labour.html

[Lightspeed]

Turns out Nick Smith is a cunt. Who could have guessed?

[Ab]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politi...PFVIKTKUXS3SU/

Luxon continued, "at $79,000 when you kick into 39 per cent that's a challenge. That's not a lot of money I'd say $70,000 to $80,000. Yes it's a lot more than others but you're still feeling the cost of living squeeze here".

In fact, the top tax bracket kicks in not at $79,000, but at $180,000. IRD's most recent estimates suggest only the top 3 per cent of income tax payers pay the tax.

I may not be a super-duper political consultant or anything but it seems to me that if you're going to hit the airwaves with a tax plan you should, like, know what the tax brackets are

[The Edge]

https://thespinoff.co.nz/the-bulleti...istopher-luxon

[The Edge]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/its-ti...QWFD2Q4J5WJ3Y/

[Ab]

Winston for Tauranga!

place your bets...

[The Edge]

I was wondering about that too.

[fixed_truth]

Good riddance, no time for his socially conservative religious rubbish.

[Ab]

One less intelligent articulate Maori voice in Parliament.

[fixed_truth]

Bridges was a terrible advocate for Maori issues.

[The Edge]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/nation...5TUJJS24SDMGY/

[fixed_truth]

Christopher Luxon explains his 'bottom feeding' comments
Shock horror. Who thought a conservative religious dickhead would have conservative religious dickhead views!

[Ab]

Such as?

[fixed_truth]

'If you want to have a go, and you want to make something of yourself -- we don't just do bottom feeding and just focus on the bottom. We focus on people who want to be positive and ambitious.'

[pxpx]

So, don't focus on people who are negative and unambitious?

Clearly, he's evil.

[Ab]

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

'If you want to have a go, and you want to make something of yourself -- we don't just do bottom feeding and just focus on the bottom. We focus on people who want to be positive and ambitious.'

What's religious or conservative about that?

[StN]

Originally Posted by Ab

What's religious or conservative about that?

/Catholic++

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

...just focus on the bottom.

[Ab]

Originally Posted by StN

/Catholic++

how so?

[StN]

Originally Posted by Ab

how so?

Bother - you've got me. In hindsight when I sat next to him at a leadership session at work, (He was the invited guest and I had no idea who he was at that stage) I think he mentioned Christs College, so that would be Anglican. Anywho, all the jokers at the pub that hassle my 'hood are from Belfast, and they are stanch St Bede's alumni, and given the strong Doolieness and one Mr Brownlee being a past student and teacher, I'm tarring all the Nats with the same brush. Long story short, there's a lot of prepressed botty talk amongst those bumpkins and it's all me and Big Todd have got to fend off the taunts of "Brighton born, Brighton bred, wide in the arse and fucked in the head".

[Lightspeed]

Originally Posted by pxpx

So, don't focus on people who are negative and unambitious?

Clearly, he's evil.

It reads: resources are for me and mine. People who value what I value are resourceful, people with different values are unambitious and negative. Don't worry, I'll make sure money goes to the right people.

[Lightspeed]

Basically National are signalling more of this:

Fears for sex abuse victims under new guidelines (2009)

New Accident Compensation Corporation guidelines for victims of sexual abuse came into force on Tuesday, but are opposed by clinicians who believe it will be harder for people to get treatment.

ACC sex-abuse claims down by 36% (2012)

An independent review of ACC, the second in 18 months, has found the number of sex-abuse claims lodged has fallen by 36% since 2008.

The review also found that only 3.6% of sensitive claims were accepted in 2011, down from 60% in 2008, when National took office.

ACC overhauls sexual abuse care service (2015)

The Accident Compensation Corporation has overhauled its sensitive claims service, with its minister saying it made big mistakes in the way it dealt with victims of sexual assaults.

Before 2009, ACC accepted thousands of sensitive claims, but after changes to the system that number plummeted, and in 2011 just 135 claims were accepted.

[fixed_truth]

Originally Posted by pxpx

So, don't focus on people who are negative and unambitious?

Clearly, he's evil.

There's a lot of people on the 'bottom' who want to be positive and move up. These people are really struggling at the moment but Luxon is blaming them for their position in society and isn't focused on supporting them.

Originally Posted by Ab

What's religious or conservative about that?

The politically conservative part is obvious with his overt welfare bashing bootstraps rhetoric. This personal responsibility conservatism ties in with his Gods Will passivity.

[Ab]

I don't see anything religious or conservative in what you ascribe. Seems to me you're just going I don't like what he said and I label him religious and conservative therefore those things must have caused him to say the thing I don't like.

[Lightspeed]

You're working hard to pretend you're not hearing that dog whistle Ab.

[Ab]

Oh I think it's a shitty thing to say and makes me like him and his party less. I just don't see anything religious or conservative about it. Unless you wanted to draw a really long bow and say that Presbytarian Protestants tend to espouse a version of Christianity that emphasises doing work to achieve success for the sky fairy, and even though he's not a Presbytarian all those Jesus nutters are the same amirite.

Speaking of Jesus I seem to remember him having some advice on how we should treat the poor? Am I misremembering?

[Lightspeed]

Jesus also has advice about false prophets.

Luxon certainly appears to be speaking from a particular non-specific religious/spiritual viewpoint that exists and can be observed in many places, in many times, sometimes in extremes:

If you have wealth, it's by divine appointment and more wealth unto you. You deserve what you have, you're righteous by virtue of it. If you lack it, this is evidence of your lack and resources should be spared your wasteful hands.

This stance is inherently conservative, as circumstances need to persist in the way that continues to afford the wealthy their wealth. Change risks upsetting any balance that exists.

Which fits a big slice of National's base.

[Ab]

something something eye of a needle

[fixed_truth]

Originally Posted by Ab

I don't see anything religious or conservative in what you ascribe. Seems to me you're just going I don't like what he said and I label him religious and conservative therefore those things must have caused him to say the thing I don't like.

It's the ignoring systematic inequalities and putting responsibility on individuals and stereotyping poor people part.

[Ab]

Sounds like you miss conservative Christian Bill English.

[Lightspeed]

Originally Posted by Ab

something something eye of a needle

Yeah, sure, but that's not the topic. We're talking about what Luxon is signalling with his comments. It does look like that kind of... pathological conservatism that undermines itself just to hold on a little longer. Because it is ultimately self-defeating. But some folk got stars in their eyes. Or dollars signs I guess.

[fixed_truth]

Originally Posted by Ab

Sounds like you miss conservative Christian Bill English.

Politically conservative conservative Christian Bill English? That's a blast from the past.

[sidbo]

Originally Posted by Ab

something something eye of a needle

I'm choosing to believe you are deliberately trolling at this point.

[[LvN]N3misiS]

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

Basically National are signalling more of this:

Fears for sex abuse victims under new guidelines (2009)



ACC sex-abuse claims down by 36% (2012)



ACC overhauls sexual abuse care service (2015)

Not to worry, Team Red has got it covered...

ACC defends closure of specialised unit handling claims from sexual abuse victims (2021)

[pxpx]

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

There's a lot of people on the 'bottom' who want to be positive and move up. These people are really struggling at the moment but Luxon is blaming them for their position in society and isn't focused on supporting them.

That's not what he said, that's what you want him to have said.