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Old 3rd September 2020, 17:41     #241
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So you are apparently a Green Socialist, who doesn't agree with any of their policies (and even TOP is far lower than ACT).
And you hope the greens don't get in.
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Old 3rd September 2020, 18:01     #242
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No pretending, I was clear with what I said. I don't side with the NZ Green Party.

The bitter, so bitter i gotta spit irony, is that one of the ways I put myself in the socialist camp is that I believe in a strong public schooling system.
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Old 3rd September 2020, 18:37     #243
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Here is something that I disagree with from their front page "Ended New
Offshore Exploration". They say it was done to address climate change but it won't take a single car of the roads in New Zealand. What they should have done is take the profits and put it into something like a national electric car charging grid.
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Old 3rd September 2020, 20:54     #244
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No pretending, I was clear with what I said. I don't side with the NZ Green Party.
Then in what way do you consider yourself a green socialist? I don't see how you can support ACT or National and call yourself a socialist at all, really.
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Old 4th September 2020, 00:21     #245
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Lol, dammit. Always happens when I go back and rewrite a sentence. I don't proof read it properly
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Old 12th October 2020, 15:18     #246
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Ruling out conversation on wealth tax 'not credible' - Shaw

We'll have to see what negotiating position Shaw has. But should he find himself with a modicum of leverage, I wonder if what was previously shown as problematic might now work in favour of the party. Specifically Shaw's negotiating tactics.

Should the Greens get the support they need, I think they've set themselves up well to be demanding, given their willingness to play along during the previous term.

They have to be nervous though. Or maybe not, depending on what their polling says and what faith they put into that.
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Old 12th October 2020, 19:11     #247
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I would now doubt that Labour would go back and support the Greens wealth tax.
But I wouldn't doubt they will spin it another way and it will be a tax under another name.
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Old 12th October 2020, 20:17     #248
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The PM today: “it won’t even be on the negotiating table in post-election talks”

Um Jacinda you don’t get to decide that
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Old 12th October 2020, 20:46     #249
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The PM today: “it won’t even be on the negotiating table in post-election talks”

Um Jacinda you don’t get to decide that
Even if she things it's a great idea, Labour are in the position they can't be SEEN thinking it's a good idea right now.

But also it's far too progressive for a Labour party that couldn't get a CGT passed.
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Old 13th October 2020, 14:24     #250
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But also it's far too progressive for a Labour party that couldn't get a CGT passed.
But they didnt get it passed because of NZF. So they could easily push it through again.
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Old 13th October 2020, 14:34     #251
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I would now doubt that Labour would go back and support the Greens wealth tax.
But I wouldn't doubt they will spin it another way and it will be a tax under another name.
The PM has ruled out a CGT while she's around but yeah I'm wondering if they'll go for something like TOPs property tax which taxes equity in all property.
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Old 14th October 2020, 14:39     #252
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But they didnt get it passed because of NZF. So they could easily push it through again.
That's what we've been told, but this is also Jacinda "I won't implement Capital Gains Tax" Ardern.
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Old 14th October 2020, 16:16     #253
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Old 14th October 2020, 18:37     #254
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I’m so old I remember when Labour was a socialist party of the Left
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Old 14th October 2020, 19:02     #255
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Old 2nd December 2020, 12:27     #256
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Green Party to abstain from tax changes that will worsen house crisis in absence of tax on assets
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Old 11th March 2021, 14:38     #257
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Upcoming Rocket Lab launch carrying United States Army satellite breaches New Zealand's national security - Green Party

On one hand this seem inevitable. A US company can act in the interests of the US. I'm guessing we won't be seeing Chinese or Russian military tech being launched from Mahia, but maybe I'm wrong.

On the other hand it seems like the thin edge of the wedge. And having US capacity launched from NZ makes NZ a target. In a fairly inconsequential way right now, but perhaps not always, especially as space grows in significance.

Rocket Lab maintains ‘no weapons’ commitment - 11/02/21
Payload disquiet - 09/03/21
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Old 11th March 2021, 15:48     #258
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I'm expecting that to become a canary in future, whereby they state in their transparency reports that there definitely haven't been any weapons launches, until the day the statement no longer appears in their transparency reports.
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Old 25th March 2021, 16:48     #259
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Some more coverage of the issue:

Mahia, We Have A Problem

On one hand it's exciting that New Zealand is on the cutting edge like this. Peter Beck's achievements makes one almost want to indulge in some nationalism. On the other what is this changing world we're apart of and who gets to have a say?

Altho I feel bad posting a North & South link. I was completely happy to throw them under the bus for the sake of not having to see gossip mags at the supermarket isle. Especially since the article is decent.
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Old 2nd May 2021, 15:02     #260
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Shills have their knives out:
https://twitter.com/MaramaDavidson/s...42267572723715

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@kiwistargazer has been live-tweeting this fabulous community event for justice, hosted by Waikato Mongrel Mob. And here she is the final speaker, pulling together the common threads across diverse communities, who have been subject to enduring and systemic racism.
You have your response to that, and then realise Davidson is doing this all while fighting a cancer diagnosis that's she's got a good chance of not surviving.

We have some crazy strong women in New Zealand.
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Old 2nd May 2021, 16:24     #261
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Davidson has cancer?
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Old 2nd May 2021, 16:26     #262
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No. Apparently all Maori women Green MPs are the same person in my head...
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Old 2nd May 2021, 16:34     #263
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Are you thinking of Labour MP Kiritapu Allan?
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Old 2nd May 2021, 16:37     #264
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*all Maori women MPs...
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Old 3rd May 2021, 17:03     #265
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That is too LOL
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Old 3rd May 2021, 22:34     #266
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YOUR TOO LOL
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Old 3rd May 2022, 10:09     #267
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/green-...ZX7SRZIK5BQME/
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The party convened over the weekend for a special meeting where its members voted to implement the changes to its constitution immediately.

The two co-leaders now need to constitute one woman, and one person of any gender (providing leadership pathways for non-binary and intersex). One co-leader also needs to be Māori.
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Old 3rd May 2022, 15:38     #268
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Thumbs up

Suits me.
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Old 3rd May 2022, 15:46     #269
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Sounds like an unlawful workplace discrimination lawsuit waiting to happen.
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Old 3rd May 2022, 15:48     #270
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If it was, it already would be, right?
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Old 23rd July 2022, 23:59     #271
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Self-destruction in progress:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politi...Z5KKCSLL2M7LQ/
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Old 24th July 2022, 11:04     #272
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James Shaw may not have been green enough - Delahunty

It's a tough spot to be in being an environmentally concerned political party.

Do you prioritise being electable, getting done what you can. Or do you prioritise being extreme, doing your best to drag the rest of the electorate a little more towards the centre?
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Old 24th July 2022, 11:43     #273
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It’s a hard road, being a white male in a party taken over by bright-eyed Twitter activists.
Crazy that it only takes 25% of votes to sack a co-leader. In any normal environment a candidate getting 75% in a vote would be described as “a landslide majority indicating overwhelming support”. Nope. Only oppression points count.
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Old 24th July 2022, 14:49     #274
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Or 25% to go back to nominations. Shaw can still be nominated, and get 75% of the vote to stay.

Maybe it is to help stop of the political shit that goes down with coups, and the behind the scenes whispering.
The greens know they have many different factions in their group. So a small number can force a leader to be tested again.
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Old 24th July 2022, 20:52     #275
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The activists will keep on voting and changing rules until Chloë Swarbrick is elected co-leader, which is the outcome they want. If Shaw wins the next vote they’ll change the rules so that they have to have at least one co-leader who identifies as neurodivergent, or is on medication for depression, or has a name with an umlaut.
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Old 6th April 2023, 21:47     #276
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Pretty much the state of things

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Old 6th April 2023, 22:28     #277
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If you have confidence in any NZ politician at the moment, your standards are much lower than my own.

These idiots can die in a bus crash and our country would not be any worse off.
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Old 5th May 2023, 22:10     #278
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Green MP Elizabeth Kerekere resigns from party
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Old 1st September 2023, 17:19     #279
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Shaw is too good for us:

https://ondemand.parliament.nz/parli...?itemId=236790
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Old 2nd September 2023, 12:43     #280
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Sucks to be him though.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/labours-m...wn-with-greens
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