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Old 4th December 2013, 11:55     #41
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o_O

so... is this an example of racist scaremongering,or a reason to panic?
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Old 4th December 2013, 12:17     #42
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This is the real goodness here:
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What's going to happen in the next two decades is we are going to see a significantly-ageing Pakeha population compared with a Maori and Pacific population who are much younger. They will keep contributing to our fertility so more and more of the kids born in New Zealand will be Maori and Pasifika.
We are going to go through some significant social changes over the coming decades as more community focused cultures have a greater proportion of the vote. Something like 2-3 out of every 5 polynesians in NZ are under the age of 15.
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Old 11th July 2015, 23:55     #43
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YELLOW PERIL MOTHERFUKKAS!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ectid=11478719

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Oh fuck there's so much fail coming out of Labour one does not know where to start.

Fortunately Keith Ng has done the heavy lifting.

http://publicaddress.net/onpoint/my-...ounds-chinese/
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Old 12th July 2015, 09:51     #44
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Incoming own goal from the constant cluster fuck of the Labour Party.

I cracked up so hard when I saw "Asian (Chinese)" under the Ethnicity column.

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Old 13th July 2015, 11:35     #45
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It's too bad there's no one in a position, no kind of organisation of authoritative resourced individuals who could find out explicitly the drivers of Auckland's home prices are.

What we even call such an organisation?
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Old 13th July 2015, 11:59     #46
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Why do you hate Hard-Working Kiwis so much Lightspeed?
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Old 13th July 2015, 12:26     #47
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Bit of a lol http://howkiwiareyou.nz/
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Old 13th July 2015, 14:41     #48
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Remember when Phil Twyford got mad about judging whether someone "sounds like a New Zealander" based on their name?

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Old 13th July 2015, 14:58     #49
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Old 13th July 2015, 15:13     #50
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Recently uncovered Labour Mouthpiece Anne Gibson isn't giving up
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ectid=11480138
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Old 13th July 2015, 16:00     #51
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#chanban

Aside from the yellow peril angle, we shouldn't overlook the fact that Labour has used stolen commercial data to back up their assertion that people with chinky sounding names are out buying their Anglo sounding counterparts (who have a birthright to local property). Barfoot & Thompson reckons the data looks a lot like theirs and they're not happy. They reckon it's been taken illegally.

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Labour leader Andrew Little said he had backed the use of the data, and rejected claims ​it was racially motivated​.

"We got this data, it was leaked to us, and we had to decide what to do, do we sit on it, or do we use i​t​ to highlight a serious issue?​"
Right, because this stolen data is so hot they couldn't not do anything with it. I mean, it's not a political report or anything. It's not opposition policies that have been leaked. They're not blistering letters proving government corruption. It's commercial data taken from a private business and Andrew Little is cool with that. But if it helps sort out those pesky chinks then we'll just pretend that it's like the Snowden Leaks. BOMB SHELL! YELLOW RAUS!
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Old 13th July 2015, 18:32     #52
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labour

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The Labour Party has shot back at Race Relations Commissioner Dame Susan Devoy, saying she has undermined her position by criticising the party's stance on foreign home ownership.
what r u doin

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Labour's shadow Attorney General David Parker said this afternoon that Dame Susan had failed to come up with alternative evidence when she accused Labour of released "half-baked" data on sales of Auckland homes to Chinese buyers.
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Old 13th July 2015, 18:41     #53
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They're trying to play National's game. Which really only works when you're at the top. Unlike National, Labour can't threaten anyone's position.
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Old 13th July 2015, 18:49     #54
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I look forward to Labour's hard-hitting inferences based on crime stats and the Maori percentage of the population.
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Old 13th July 2015, 21:10     #55
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Even Reuters doesn't think NZ has a problem with Chinese property investment:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0PM01620150712

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Realtors in Australia, Britain and Canada are bracing for a surge of new interest in their already hot property markets, with early signs that wealthy Chinese investors are seeking a safe haven from the turmoil in Shanghai's equity markets.
See, no word of NZ.
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Old 14th July 2015, 12:57     #56
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I think National are more at risk with this issue than they'd like to believe. Racism claims aren't really holding water.
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Old 14th July 2015, 13:20     #57
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I think National are more at risk with this issue than they'd like to believe. Racism claims aren't really holding water.
They are with anyone who doesn't vote Labour.
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Old 14th July 2015, 13:25     #58
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Nonsense. There is no substance to the claims and anyone who isn't rabid National isn't picking up National's lazy narrative.
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Old 14th July 2015, 13:41     #59
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Nonsense. There is no substance to the claims and anyone who isn't rabid National isn't picking up National's lazy narrative.
Phil Quin, left wing blogger, resigns Labour party membership. He must be a secret rabid National supporter.

My letter of resignation from the NZ Labour Party over racial profiling

Labour may get a temporary poll boost, but the stain of racial profiling will last much longer

Labour should apologise for racial profiling

I'm sure the echo chamber over at The Standard are experiencing huge cognitive dissonance and are furiously reassuring each other that they're not racist, but in the real world we all know it is racist.

Just think: If Don Brash had made the same speech as Phil Twyford, what would the reaction of the left be?
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Old 14th July 2015, 13:45     #60
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Old 14th July 2015, 13:58     #61
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but in the real world
This makes me genuinely lol, coming from the guy who regularly makes claims as to what "everyone" thinks.

One guy having a whine doesn't really account for much. But hey, I can't deny that you've actually produced something to back your point of view for once, kudos.

Labour might have flimsy data, but it's real data and the best we have. It's lazy and convenient to write off Labour's claims simply as racism. There are real world events occurring that could explain why what Labour claims might be true.

Will we see those in the position to fund more serious research do so? Time will tell, but I don't think so.
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Old 14th July 2015, 14:10     #62
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National doesn't have a narrative, that's the best bit. It doesn't have to. All it has to do is what it always does in situations like this - shut up and let Labour keep digging.

YES there's a bubble in the Auckland property market. It's caused by a shortage of houses because Auckland's zoning regulations and NIMBY residents won't allow the city to expand upwards or outwards. So the only people who can afford to buy property in Auckland are people who got rich elsewhere or existing homeowners who bought houses when they were cheap and who have leveraged that into multi-property portfolios.

Right now* there's a lot of Chinese money entering favourable real-estate markets all around the Pacific Rim because China has a fuckload of rich people who want to cover their arses in case of government intervention in the Chinese economy. These people (generalising here, etc) tend to gravitate towards business-friendly governments, because working hard and succeeding in business is good, and they fucking hate communism with a passion because China, so they won't go near any political party or movement or person that has ever been in the same room as communism, ever.

Strangely enough 21st-century National does not have a large problem with people who hold such beliefs. Mid-20th-century National would have lost its fucking mind at all this, but that was a different party.

Prediction: National will sit back and let "totally not racist" Labour haemorrhage on this for a while then introduce a new business-friendly Auckland housing policy of some sort - say non-resident/non-citizen buyers can only build new properties, not purchase existing ones, and there won't be any sort of "racial profiling"** built into it, and the Auckland city council will fold in the face of overwhelming pressure and free up land on the fringes, and the construction industry will boom and all that money will flow into the local economy, and there'll be more houses and National saves the day, yaaaaaaaaay.

The usual for Key's National in other words. Let Labour flounder around trying to find something to campaign on, let Labour fuck it all up completely, then identify the bits that could actually work to National's advantage, polish them up, and announce those as National policies.


* when the average Auckland house price increased from 300K to 600K under Labour between 2001 and 2007 that wasn't a problem, but now it's 755K? Holy shit, must be the fucking Chinese!

** the fact that Labour has allowed these words to be published anywhere near each other is evidence once more of its total incompetence at communicating.
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Old 14th July 2015, 14:33     #63
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Interesting take on it all from old Armstrong:

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Labour's target audience in this instance is the silent majority who will believe Labour has come close enough to confirming what until now had been anecdote.

Labour will gain more than it might lose in terms of voter backing.

There may be some angst among its more wealthy supporters who back the party for social justice reasons. But John Key may be the one who has to worry about voter defections - alongside Winston Peters, another beneficiary of Labour losing touch with its more conservative-minded supporters.

Those voters will welcome the more hard-nosed pragmatism that Little is bringing to the running of the party.

The biggest danger for Labour is that some of its activists recruited to the party by Helen Clark, who assiduously courted the ethnic vote, could express dissatisfaction with the turn of events.

But then Little is going to have to tread on a few toes to resuscitate the wider party.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/n...ectid=11480350
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Old 14th July 2015, 14:41     #64
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"Silent majority" is code for "white boomers"
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Old 14th July 2015, 14:50     #65
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Well that's the problem with no reliable data. It's anecdotal but there really doesn't seem to be many people that don't agree with the gist of Labours conclusion ie, that Chinese foreign investors are a significant driver of the Auckland housing market.
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Old 14th July 2015, 15:04     #66
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Who said anything about foreign? The issue at hand is whether or not people with Chinese-sounding names are a significant driver of the Auckland housing market.
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Old 14th July 2015, 15:05     #67
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This makes me genuinely lol, coming from the guy who regularly makes claims as to what "everyone" thinks.
You'd never do that, eh?

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Originally Posted by Lightspeed
anyone who isn't rabid National isn't picking up National's lazy narrative.
Oops!

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One guy having a whine doesn't really account for much. But hey, I can't deny that you've actually produced something to back your point of view for once, kudos.
Whereas you do that... never.

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Labour might have flimsy data, but it's real data and the best we have.
Not only is it flimsy and incomplete data but Labour's analysis of the data is incompetent and racist. Their analysis is based on "which names sound Asian?" Excusing the poor data and analysis as "Hey it's real and it's the best we have" is where the real laziness lies.

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It's lazy and convenient to write off Labour's claims simply as racism.
I remember a time when the lazy and convenient thing to do was to be racist and to blame foreigners. Funny how it's now Labour that's being racist and blaming foreigners based on "Asian sounding surnames".

The irony is that Labour's FTA with China has allowed this to happen (if you believe Labour's racist narrative) and may well make it difficult to prevent the yellow peril from buying all our houses.
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Old 14th July 2015, 15:05     #68
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Prediction: National will sit back and let "totally not racist" Labour haemorrhage on this for a while then introduce a new business-friendly Auckland housing policy of some sort - say non-resident/non-citizen buyers can only build new properties, not purchase existing ones, and there won't be any sort of "racial profiling"** built into it, and the Auckland city council will fold in the face of overwhelming pressure and free up land on the fringes, and the construction industry will boom and all that money will flow into the local economy, and there'll be more houses and National saves the day, yaaaaaaaaay.
Careful. You're terribly close to suggesting that Labour are actually being effective in opposition, prompting the government to respond to something so far it has been happy to ignore.
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Old 14th July 2015, 15:12     #69
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You'd never do that, eh?
No often, no, and never with your ferocity.

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Not only is it flimsy and incomplete data but Labour's analysis of the data is incompetent and racist. Their analysis is based on "which names sound Asian?" Excusing the poor data and analysis as "Hey it's real and it's the best we have" is where the real laziness lies.
How does an opposition party commission research? What resources are available to Labour in this regard?

National are the ones in the best position to confirm this. They're (and you) are telling us Labour is being racist. Do they have facts to back this? If they have done this research that allows them to be so sure, where is it?
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Old 14th July 2015, 15:25     #70
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How does an opposition party commission research? What resources are available to Labour in this regard?
They hire a research company that specialises in research and they get that research company to perform research.
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Old 14th July 2015, 15:27     #71
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How does an opposition party commission research? What resources are available to Labour in this regard?
What you do for a start is that if you want sales data from real estate companies, you ask politely. You don't steal it. You can also use government held information which I'm certain Labour is allowed to require access to.

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National are the ones in the best position to confirm this. They're (and you) are telling us Labour is being racist. Do they have facts to back this? If they have done this research that allows them to be so sure, where is it?
Are you serious? Everything Labour has said and done is the proof.

Here's where Labour went wrong: they singled out one specific race. They should have stated from the start that it's foreign buyers as a whole and not mentioned any particular race.
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Old 14th July 2015, 15:40     #72
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They hire a research company that specialises in research and they get that research company to perform research.
Well that sounds cheap and easy, and Labour are certainly loaded and haven't been under any particular pressure in recent years. You're right, they're definitely the ones we should be turning to to find out what's happening in NZ.

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Old 14th July 2015, 15:47     #73
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It ain't expensive. Coupla grand would get you good data.

Which is beside the point of boo fucking hoo, there's a reason why you've got no money Labour, it's because you're shit. And you're shit because you do dumb shit for no good reason.
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Old 14th July 2015, 15:54     #74
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Prediction: National will sit back and let "totally not racist" Labour haemorrhage on this for a while then introduce a new business-friendly Auckland housing policy of some sort - say non-resident/non-citizen buyers can only build new properties, not purchase existing ones, and there won't be any sort of "racial profiling"** built into it, and the Auckland city council will fold in the face of overwhelming pressure and free up land on the fringes, and the construction industry will boom and all that money will flow into the local economy, and there'll be more houses and National saves the day, yaaaaaaaaay.
This. The cycle continues.
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Old 14th July 2015, 17:24     #75
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YES there's a bubble in the Auckland property market. It's caused by a shortage of houses because Auckland's zoning regulations and NIMBY residents won't allow the city to expand upwards or outwards.
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Who's responsible for Akld housing crisis?- the National Party. Failure to build affordable houses or deal with domestic/foreign speculators
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Old 14th July 2015, 17:31     #76
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It couldn't possibly be that lovely Len Brown!
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Old 14th July 2015, 19:32     #77
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Bubble? Housing crisis? Has something changed in the past 8 weeks ?
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Old 14th July 2015, 20:06     #78
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Who said there was a crisis?
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Old 14th July 2015, 20:46     #79
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Soaring demand in Auckland for housing drives prices into the stratosphere so that only those that are rich can afford them. A significant amount of those people have foreign sounding names.

In other news, water is wet when in it's liquid form.
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Old 14th July 2015, 21:02     #80
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have foreign sounding names
I presume that means "non-Maori"?
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