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Of course, with a system like that, education needs to be freely available on every topic that anyone could care to vote on. |
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13th July 2020, 19:47 | #883 |
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I am firmly of the opinion that education is about to get turned on its head - sorry, DISRUPTED - the same way that every other old-fashioned inefficient industry with huge profit margins and no accountability has been. What Apple did to the music industry and Amazon did to retail is about to happen to schools, universities first. And in the English-speaking West there are only five companies rich enough and powerful enough to do it.
Update: in case my implication isn't clear, two and a half of those companies are not influences I want anywhere near a child's brain. |
13th July 2020, 19:56 | #884 |
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Are you referring to the phenomena where people snooze through hundreds of hours of class, only to cram the night before assessments with the help of free Indian YT tutorials?
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13th July 2020, 21:46 | #885 |
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The table couldn't be more perfectly set for disruption of education. Parents across the globe watching their children complete the day's school lessons in 90 minutes via Zoom. so what do they spend the rest of the school day doing?
Some of those parents are entrepreneurial product designers, teachers, or systems designers. These enterprising minds will be competing with most schools, which have all pretty much left the transition to online learning entirely up to their teachers. If this is the new normal for education post-COVID, it won't be difficult to make something better. An anecdote, but probably the case for many teachers: My cousin was sent home and asked by her school to go buy her own laptop, monitors, and webcam... and figure out how to run her class online using whatever software she saw fit. A free for all, basically. Oh and to access her students emails she needed to be on the university campus network so she could query an Access database on S: drive created in 1990. Harvard has decided to charge full price for their online degrees in the post-COVID world regardless of any proof they can deliver the goods online to the same quality standard of a pre-COVID degree. Last edited by Nich : 13th July 2020 at 21:48. |
14th July 2020, 00:32 | #886 |
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I wonder what the relationship is, if any, between the quality of the education delivered, and the peer review system. Like, if a bunch of new providers delivering online learning spring up to disrupt traditional delivery, but they don't require their employees to be participating in publication that goes through the peer review process, will the quality of the teaching suffer?
Also, NZQA requires educational institutions to meet certain standards in order for their certifications to be recognised by NZQA, does that make it substantially harder to disrupt education? |
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Everything that happens with market competition and actual performance analysis will happen to education - the teachers and administrators that are actually great will become superstars and will get paid accordingly and the useless deadwood will take early retirement. Schools will compete for the best teaching talent like sports teams fight over the best athletes. The schools that can afford the great teachers will become brands like Liverpool and McLaren F1 and the Lakers. The schools that are just good might stay afloat by being cheap alternatives for students who can't afford to go to one of the Big Five partner institutions, and niche providers to a specialist market (like music conservatories) might stick around. Average and shitty schools will burn. (note:I know these ideas are not my own, pretty sure I've lifted them from NYU's Professor Scott Galloway) |
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Do you think it would be possible / desirable for governments to legislate in such a way that educational instutions are solely state-run? For a long time now, I've thought that a well educated citizenry is a necessary ingredient for a properly functioning system of governance. Do you think a corporate run education system would make an honest attempt to ensure citizens would by and large be informed well enough to participate in governance processes? Also, if education for profit turns out to be the model going forward, then what of the right to education? Last edited by Nothing : 14th July 2020 at 03:12. |
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16th July 2020, 19:32 | #891 | |
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To your second, no I don't. Here's why: the model that you and I have of education - and I mean, teenage/young adult stuff like late secondary school and tertiary - no longer really exists in the USA, and it's there that these changes are going to happen first. The point of late-secondary and tertiary schooling is no longer to become educated; it's to get a job. In that sense American schools are certification authorities rather than places of learning. Give us a kid at one end, we'll push the kid out the other with a piece of paper with a seal on it, and that means the older and poorer kid now has the skills required for employment in this or that industry. That ain't education. Look at this graph: That widening gap represents a fat profitable industry just waiting to get disrupted. And think of the opportunities for the Big 5. Imagine if Google were to partner with, say, Stanford business school, and offer guaranteed employment and reimbursement of all student loans to every business major who graduates in the top 1% of the class. Overnight that would become the only business school in the world worth going to if you're really smart. Now imagine what happens to Google and its innovative accounting practices if every year it vacuums up the brightest 1% of accounting and tax graduates in the world. Google would never have to worry about paying tax ever again. Anywhere. Because the people designing Google's tax structures would be way smarter than the underpaid government tax agents chasing them for money. The fact that (bites pillow) neoliberalism (/bites) has created a modern world where the best and brightest would never dream of working in public service is a big topic for another time. Let's just stick to my most direct answer to your question, which is: in the USA, which is where everything starts for the West now, late-secondary and tertiary institutions provide certification, not education. And they charge too much for it while delivering too little (see Jonas's comment above). |
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I see your point about education being ripe for disruption, but I question whether other countries will just hand over their education systems to corporations because America does it at this particular moment in history. Last edited by Nothing : 17th July 2020 at 00:17. |
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17th July 2020, 01:13 | #894 | |
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17th July 2020, 16:51 | #896 |
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Maybe not "control means of production" sperg zone of the left. But rather a moderate left that believes privatization makes for suboptimal public goods. People who believe a central governing body is best positioned to decide what constitutes a solid education.
OTOH government initiatives (especially ones that require software dev, online services) almost always leave a lot to be desired. Even if a government miraculously came up with an alternate to "Google Home School", the fact remains that market forces are in play now. The government for the first time ever must provide exceptional customer service when it comes to education. Personally, the utopian view is that we are freed from the tyranny of proximity and we will all have access to the best teachers and education services the world has to offer. The dystopian view is as Ab has outlined, we trade tyranny of proximity for tyranny of corporate mind-control. |
17th July 2020, 17:33 | #897 |
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I like taking excerpts of nich's points and finding where he copy/pasted them from.
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17th July 2020, 17:57 | #898 |
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As my bibliographer I'm glad you've found a way to be useful.
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18th July 2020, 16:32 | #901 |
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I know this is very creepy for you, but I want you to relax: I am just a criminal, doing this entirely on my own dime and my own time, and you can have recourse to law enforcement later!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...federal-agent/ EDIT: Yes this is copy-pasta from The Twitterz, but I still find it an ironic take on the extrajudicial detention that is occuring in Portland.
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18th July 2020, 17:27 | #902 |
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At least the ones in Portland went to the army surplus store... check out these casual friday motherfuckers:
https://twitter.com/jaycieelynnn/sta...78074251780096 This kind of thing keeps me awake at night. |
19th July 2020, 01:01 | #903 |
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"American foreign policy applied domestically."
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19th July 2020, 17:11 | #904 | |
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22nd July 2020, 17:47 | #905 |
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So by the sounds of it, Trump is finally taking covid seriously.
Re Launched his daily stand up on it. Was more serious, On task & actually said how serious it is. However, I believe his tact will be - Now that the whitehouse has taken control of the situation we can tell you whats really happening. And some BS about how Fauci was misleading. |
22nd July 2020, 18:43 | #906 |
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Hmm - just saw on CNN that if you wash hands frequently, wear masks in public, and remain socially distant, the curve can be flattened and the outbreak contained. What evidence do they have for this?
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22nd July 2020, 20:05 | #907 |
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Meh, fake news.
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MSNBC's corporate masters have loosened the leash on Mehdi Hasan:
It’s time we use the F-word: fascism
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31st July 2020, 02:57 | #910 | |
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Trump suggests delay to 2020 US presidential election
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31st July 2020, 17:00 | #911 |
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November feels very far away right now.
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5th August 2020, 02:37 | #914 |
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Jesus christ the Axios interview is a doozy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaaTZkqsaxY Summary and commentary: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/new...ectid=12353763 |
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5th August 2020, 20:50 | #920 |
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Didn't reveal anything I didn't already know about Trump. Revealed a lot about the sorts of reporters that the US media have put in front of him to date. One non-American prepped with facts and determined to ask followup questions and the Emperor looks naked.
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