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Old 23rd June 2021, 13:45     #42601
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I wonder when the last Olympics will be. Can't be far off now.
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Old 23rd June 2021, 15:39     #42602
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There's a social-media bonfire going on in Australia at the moment about toxic culture in high-level swimming. The usual suspects make an appearance of course - creepy male swimming coaches ogling girls in swimsuits left right and centre. There's also a toxic white feminism angle to the discussions, as the loudest voices are white women with social media audiences calling for diversity and by diversity they mean paying attention to white women with social media audiences. (Brown people don't swim, because swimming lessons cost money, and brown people are poor, and that's outside the scope of caring about the concerns of white women with social media audiences, silly.)

But the weirdest thing has been this safetyism aspect of "oh noes, a young professional athlete with a social media following claims she was made to feel unsafe at training, and of course every woman has the right to feel safe at her place of work," and I'm just going what the fuck? You are an elite athlete being paid by my taxes to win medals. I don't want you feeling safe, I want you waking up every day determined to avoid the humiliation of coming second. Safe? Fuck off.

I don't think you're entirely crazy asking how long the Olympics will continue. It's impossible to have sporting competition without admitting that some people are just plain better than other people at stuff, and that's a cancelin'.
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Old 23rd June 2021, 16:08     #42603
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There's that, then there's what got the Olympics started in the first place: the race for supremism. It's literally a spectacle of who is the best.

And we're moving from a world that focuses on the best to one that tries to see all value. Not because we want to ascend as glorious angels, but because we want to survive. We don't survive by attending only to the "best".

Just like we don't resolve problems with sexual boundaries in our community by focusing on men's interest in girls. Men like boys too. Women have all kinds of interests too. And some young people have an interest in older people too. Oops, let's pretend I didn't say that out loud.
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Old 23rd June 2021, 16:27     #42604
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Citius - Altius - Fortius, bitches
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Old 23rd June 2021, 16:47     #42605
Lightspeed
 
I reckon. Bring on my robot body with the strength of five go-rillas!
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Old 23rd June 2021, 17:00     #42606
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Citius - Altius - Fortius, bitches
And yet you whinge about Hubbard
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Old 23rd June 2021, 18:13     #42607
Ab
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I think "women's" should be a protected class of competition, otherwise it's not fair. Like "under-12" or "featherweight" or "paralympic".
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Old 23rd June 2021, 18:53     #42608
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I think that once the language around it all changes then the pendulum will swing to something that is more fair and at the same time respects their womanhood.
I've heard of the men's category being replaced with an open category and an athletes biological advantage being evaluated on a case by case basis and in context of the specific sport they're competing in.
That way the the discussion moves away from 'he shouldn't be permitted in womans sports because he's a man', to this woman went through puberty as a male and so she should compete in the open grade.
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Old 23rd June 2021, 18:55     #42609
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Great. Make "Men's" an open category. But if you don't make "Women's" restricted, it's unfair. You can not ask natal females to compete against natal males.
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Old 23rd June 2021, 18:58     #42610
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Biological sex assigned at birth != Gender.
Leave gender out of sports, don't entertain the idea of segmenting by anything other than biological sex assigned at birth, and you'll be fine.
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Old 23rd June 2021, 19:04     #42611
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Why not? It's been happening for a while now with no big problems. Shouldn't it be dependent on whether it can be shown that person has an unfair biological advantage.

Would a natal male who recieved puberty blockers have any significant biological advantage outside of the normal variation seen between natal females?
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Old 23rd June 2021, 19:05     #42612
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Quote:
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@Ab
Why not? It's been happening for a while now with no big problems. Shouldn't it be dependent on whether it can be shown that person has an unfair biological advantage.

Would a natal male who recieved puberty blockers have any significant biological advantage outside of the normal variation seen between natal females?
As in, a natal male who has never experienced puberty?
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Old 23rd June 2021, 19:08     #42613
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Biological sex assigned at birth != Gender.
Leave gender out of sports, don't entertain the idea of segmenting by anything other than biological sex assigned at birth, and you'll be fine.
The athletic categories are men & woman's. As a society we've decided that gender is relevant to the definition of man & woman.
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Old 23rd June 2021, 19:21     #42614
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As in, a natal male who has never experienced puberty?
Well yeah not in the way a male usually would which might include other medical interventions like hormone replacement & surgery.
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Old 23rd June 2021, 20:49     #42615
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Dr Ross Tucker, sports scientist (SA kayaking, USA triathlon team, UK Olympic committee, World Rugby):

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Lowering of testosterone is almost completely ineffective in taking away the biological differences between males and females.
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Old 23rd June 2021, 22:58     #42616
Ab
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Quote:
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@Ab
Why not? It's been happening for a while now with no big problems.
These people, who admittedly know nothing about sport, beg to differ.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/former...D5XY3Z6WRCM5A/
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Old 23rd June 2021, 23:40     #42617
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I figure traditional sports will eventually be the domain of the snooty class, those who cling to the airs of the old power base. All this wrangling will be rendered moot for the average person.

Eventually anyone wanting to compete like a traditional athlete would have to abstain from the advances the general public will be enjoying over their body.

In 20 years what's biotech going to look like? We might see five Olympics, we won't see 10.
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Old 24th June 2021, 08:50     #42618
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McAfee has been successfully uninstalled
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Old 24th June 2021, 09:25     #42619
xor
 
I might buy a hammock to remember him.
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Old 24th June 2021, 09:26     #42620
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Did he choke while eating a dick?
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Old 24th June 2021, 09:32     #42621
Ab
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Quote:
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Well yeah not in the way a male usually would which might include other medical interventions like hormone replacement & surgery.
Peer-reviewed research: transgender women athletes retain almost all of their male physical advantages regardless of hormone treatment or testosterone levels

https://link.springer.com/article/10...79-020-01389-3
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Old 24th June 2021, 09:49     #42622
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McAfee has been successfully uninstalled
Weird, he said he wasn't going to suicide.
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Old 24th June 2021, 11:18     #42623
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I wonder how much BTC gets taken out of circulation as a result of his death. McAfee doesn’t seem like the risk-management, succession-planning, assets-in-escrow type.
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Old 24th June 2021, 11:40     #42624
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I figure traditional sports will eventually be the domain of the snooty class, those who cling to the airs of the old power base. All this wrangling will be rendered moot for the average person.

Eventually anyone wanting to compete like a traditional athlete would have to abstain from the advances the general public will be enjoying over their body.

In 20 years what's biotech going to look like? We might see five Olympics, we won't see 10.
Sounds like eugenics to me. I can live with being snooty.
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Old 24th June 2021, 12:11     #42625
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I wonder how much BTC gets taken out of circulation as a result of his death. McAfee doesn’t seem like the risk-management, succession-planning, assets-in-escrow type.
...but I wonder if he has an Epstein vault with a deadman's switch to auto send?
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Old 24th June 2021, 12:44     #42626
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Treatment of Assange has ensured that even if a whistle blower releases info, "journalists" are too meek to report it. In Oz, the Australian Federal Police has no issue with kicking in the door of ABC when they are in possession of info that is too spicy.
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Old 24th June 2021, 13:10     #42627
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Sounds like eugenics to me. I can live with being snooty.
Yeah, that's how many will go. But not most. Most will still want every economic advantage they can get. They won't be able to watch their kids fall behind while others are taking full advantage.
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Old 24th June 2021, 14:59     #42628
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Peer-reviewed research: transgender women athletes retain almost all of their male physical advantages regardless of hormone treatment or testosterone levels

https://link.springer.com/article/10...79-020-01389-3
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conferred by male puberty
Yeah no doubt 12months is not long enough. Will be interesting to see future data on this new generation of transpeople who start treatment around puberty age.
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Old 24th June 2021, 17:02     #42629
Ab
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Most will still want every economic advantage they can get.
And if you’re a mediocre male athlete who could make millions as a transwoman…
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Old 24th June 2021, 17:23     #42630
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But could you? It's not like there's going to be some gold rush of men transitioning to cash in.

My sense is a lot of these issues are going to be swamped by the coming generation's reaction to all these circumstances. There's not going to be a lot of patience for those trying to keep hold of everything they've got. If you're not willing to compromise you're putting everyone at risk and that won't be tolerated.

Or maybe that's just a dream I'm having.
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Old 24th June 2021, 17:40     #42631
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But could you? It's not like there's going to be some gold rush of men transitioning to cash in..
No - it will only be males who are at sub-elite level of being just bad enough that they aren’t guaranteed winners in men’s competition, but good enough that they would dominate a women’s competition.
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Old 24th June 2021, 18:29     #42632
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That seems to have a very limited lifespan.
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Old 24th June 2021, 20:38     #42633
Ab
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“It probably won’t happen very often” is a terrible justification for allowing unfairness.
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Old 24th June 2021, 21:29     #42634
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I'm more saying it'll happen a bunch, then it won't happen at all. Cause there won't be a competition.

Large public organisations will inevitably collapse as they try to juggle the contradiction.
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Old 25th June 2021, 14:58     #42635
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Elon tweets about Bitcoin to play interference for news of Panasonic dumping entire $TSLA holdings.
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Old 26th June 2021, 12:37     #42636
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Stuff
 
So I'm asking the office what words they pronounce weirdly when they need to remember the spelling. Def-in-it-ely was one of them.

So I'm like: what do you call a deaf man in Rome.

The reactions were mixed.
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Old 26th June 2021, 12:46     #42637
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Thanks crocos
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Old 1st July 2021, 14:12     #42638
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I just realised, if it's 2021, what's happening on Sealab?
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Old 1st July 2021, 18:01     #42639
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Today's greatest line of the day:

I was offering feedback on a client-site theme concept that, in my opinion, was way too visually eyecatching, to a level that would be distracting to the user. I wanted the user to do the thing being described by the words, not look at the pretty pictures.

With my best deadpan nzgames voice, I opined "look I have a dream... of pages that will be judged not by the colour of their skin but by the character of their content" AND THE FUCKERS DIDN'T LAUGH
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Old 1st July 2021, 23:11     #42640
crocos
 
Well... gone from show at the airport 13:45 on Sat, to show up at 05:40 - including a 7-hour wait at Auckland - including wait times, transport, collect luggage, customs etc, that's at least 15 hours.

Currently on hold to try & get a slightly more reasonable time for the domestic leg.
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