Labour Thus Far.... - Page 8

fixed_truth · 29th March 2018, 18:32

National trying really hard to drag this out from the belt-way. Too bad they desensitized the public with 9 years of their dodgy shit! Apparently people should give a shit because it's not them doing it.

ZoSo · 29th March 2018, 19:28

lol for "trying really hard", Bridges has said sfa outside.
It's mostly media eating media from everything I've bothered seeing. Understandably.

fixed_truth · 30th March 2018, 00:15

I've heard a couple of interviews where he's said along the lines of they're just scratching the surface and they're gonna keep going hard at question time to find the truth.

Btw I don't blame them, they're doing what an opposition should. It's just hard to take it them serious after their long list of scandals.

Ab · 30th March 2018, 15:46

This Curran thing is a clusterfuck on a bunch of different levels, and she's so fucking incompetent I don't even think she realises how bad she's fucked up.

http://werewolf.co.nz/2018/03/gordon...ns-dim-future/

CCS · 30th March 2018, 16:43

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Originally Posted by fixed_truth

National trying really hard to drag this out from the belt-way.

You may say it's beltway, but this has all the appearance of interference in Radio New Zealand by the Minister in charge. That's serious.

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Too bad they desensitized the public with 9 years of their dodgy shit! Apparently people should give a shit because it's not them doing it.

Is that going to be your default excuse every time Labour has a big fuckup or scandal? That National is also bad so it makes it okay for Labour to have scandals?

Lightspeed · 30th March 2018, 18:05

National demonstrated Labour need not bother with excuses. Just disregard, move on.

Of course, that may be just because National is particularly effective at whipping up furore, Labour let National get away with it.

Ab · 30th March 2018, 18:31

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=12023212

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Far from being a "storm in a coffee cup", it encompasses some huge issues, including the independence of the media, the ability of state entities to self-govern, and the executive to make decisions in a proper way. All of that is under challenge because of the way Clare Curran has created this shambles with RNZ.

crocos · 2nd April 2018, 20:20

CCS · 6th April 2018, 07:49

Richard Griffin says he was told not to comment on Hirschfeld, Curran meeting

So it wasn't just the once that Curran or her office told Griffin what he should or shouldn't be saying - now it's twice. She needs to go.

blynk · 6th April 2018, 10:38

I agree that maybe she needs to be moved to a back bench for a while. Earn her place again.

But in saying that, it really does sound like Griffin has it out for her.
A lot of it is starting to sound like he said/she said - except there is some evidence of the voice mail to Griffin, but he's not releasing it.
Why? Is it because there isn't anything discriminating (and maybe he has interpretted it wrong) or is he wanting to build this up even more for a greater impact when he is forced to release it.

Lightspeed · 6th April 2018, 16:17

Well at the very least she was stupid enough to make herself vulnerable. I thought this was a good summary:

RNZ hearing: No resolution to Curran/Hirschfeld saga

CCS · 6th April 2018, 19:09

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Originally Posted by blynk

I agree that maybe she needs to be moved to a back bench for a while. Earn her place again.

I think she should lose the portfolio and never regain it. She's clearly incompetent.

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But in saying that, it really does sound like Griffin has it out for her.
A lot of it is starting to sound like he said/she said - except there is some evidence of the voice mail to Griffin, but he's not releasing it.
Why? Is it because there isn't anything discriminating (and maybe he has interpretted it wrong) or is he wanting to build this up even more for a greater impact when he is forced to release it.

Maybe, but there's been a pattern recently of Labour ministers and MPs trying to improperly influence people. The excuse is always "oh no! I wouldn't! I must have been misunderstood!" Funny how that keeps happening! Funnier still how Curran, a former PR person, can't clearly get a message across.

CCS · 7th April 2018, 00:56

Labour MP Paul Eagle says sorry for phone call profanity, says it was a 'misunderstanding'

Macca@Work · 12th April 2018, 20:20

A big thanks to Taxcinda Adhern and her coalition partners The Commu- opps haha I mean the Green Party for further retardation of New Zealands financial development all under the guise of caring for climate change.
At least when our childrens children look out of the shanty town they will be living in they will be able to determine that the sky is blue.

Delphinus · 13th April 2018, 10:59

This is an incremental but important step in reducing the long-term threats posed by climate change. We can't safely burn even 3/4 of known fossil fuel reserves, let alone new ones. The ban signals the need to transition away from fossil fuels as both energy sources and revenue sources.

And even if "financial development" is all you care about, existing permits are unaffected by this announcement. There are 22 permits for offshore oil and gas exploration that could still go ahead. It's hardly going to make any difference to jobs in the next decade.

Ab · 13th April 2018, 11:07

Labour, legislating away Maori land rights since ages ago

fixed_truth · 13th April 2018, 12:10

Phasing it out over 30 years is quite reasonable. The rage on newstalk is gold.

Lightspeed · 13th April 2018, 20:49

Ministry of Health warns of rise in syphilis cases

"How Labour has let things fall apart so quickly!" - National, probably.

Ab · 13th April 2018, 22:12

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Originally Posted by Lightspeed

Ministry of Health warns of rise in syphilis cases

"How Labour has let things fall apart so quickly!" - National, probably.

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Nearly 70 percent of cases were reported in men who have sex with men

whoa

Lightspeed · 13th April 2018, 22:43

It fits:
NZ HIV rates at all-time high

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the group most affected being gay, bisexual and other men who have sex with men

Gay men are a vulnerable group, somehow vulnerable groups are suffering right now.

Ab · 14th April 2018, 02:05

Vulnerable to... an aversion to condoms?

CCS · 14th April 2018, 02:11

National should have made sure they double bagged. Or even just single bagged. It's always National's fault.

Lightspeed · 14th April 2018, 03:39

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Originally Posted by Ab

Vulnerable to... an aversion to condoms?

It boggles my mind how you're obviously a smart, educated, competent, well resourced man, far more so than me. And you're also just so. fucking. dumb.

Unless you're trolling or something, I'm sure I deserve far more than this.

Juju · 16th April 2018, 11:18

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Originally Posted by Lightspeed

It boggles my mind how you're obviously a smart, educated, competent, well resourced man, far more so than me. And you're also just so. fucking. dumb.

Unless you're trolling or something, I'm sure I deserve far more than this.

What is he dumb about? His questioning your implied link between National's mental health care funding, and condom use between gay men?

Ab · 16th April 2018, 13:05

Well now that the long national nightmare of the oppressive National regime is behind us, the new government can get to work on the important things like fixing mental health, restoring hospitals, rebuilding Christchu--

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A Bill which would make it illegal to use the title 'teacher' without a formal qualification is before a select committee. The Education (Protecting Teacher Title) Amendment Bill aims to "lift the status of teachers" by removing the ability of those without the qualification to represent themselves with that title.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politi...d-teacher.html

Well, that first, obviously, I mean PRIORITIES.

Lightspeed · 16th April 2018, 13:41

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Originally Posted by Juju

What is he dumb about? His questioning your implied link between National's mental health care funding, and condom use between gay men?

By suggesting it's gay men who have changed somehow? How absurd.

pxpx · 16th April 2018, 15:35

With Truvada now being publicly funded it will be interesting to see the rates of infection track over the coming 18-24 months.

Ab · 16th April 2018, 16:11

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Originally Posted by Lightspeed

By suggesting it's gay men who have changed somehow? How absurd.

AIDS was once a fatal disease. Now, if you're in a rich Western country with socialised medicine, it's an inconvenience with which you can live until you die of old age. I imagine that this might change behaviour among the people most likely to expose themselves to it, but hey what would I know. I guess a sensible thing would be to check STD infection rates in countries that are socially comparable to NZ but which have not endured the dystopian horror of a National-led government.

Lightspeed · 16th April 2018, 16:58

Maybe. Maybe there's an increase in drug and alcohol use, risky behaviour in general that this is a symptom of. Maybe it's Russian bots promoting bad behaviour to whip up anti-gay hysteria. Maybe it's a combination of factors.

But we're not psychologists here, so our imaginings about what influences human behaviour aren't really worth a damn.

It seems more sensible to me to fund actual experts sufficiently to both provide the day-to-day support that people need to understand and manage their sexual behaviours, as well as doing research to understand the ongoing nature of sex in our community. Get ahead of the problems, rather than waiting till they pop out and see who we can blame for them. We're not even doing the former.

You seem unconvinced there's any problem at all, other than dirty faggots being dirty faggots. But if there was, how would you know? If National genuinely wrote off the vulnerable of NZ, would you really know?

Ab · 16th April 2018, 17:28

On the contrary, if most of the increase in syphilis infections had come from Whangamata hairdressers I would be just as interested in the cause.

CCS · 16th April 2018, 19:13

Witness lolspeed's subtle yet persuasive argument of "OH YEAH? WELL YOU JUST HATE THE GAYS!"

Lightspeed · 16th April 2018, 19:24

Subtle?

Lightspeed · 16th April 2018, 19:43

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Originally Posted by Ab

Well now that the long national nightmare of the oppressive National regime is behind us, the new government can get to work on the important things like fixing mental health, restoring hospitals, rebuilding Christchu--

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politi...d-teacher.html

Well, that first, obviously, I mean PRIORITIES.

Similar vein:
Government looking at making wheel clamping illegal

I guess maybe there are different departments to be kept busy?

CCS · 16th April 2018, 19:45

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Originally Posted by Lightspeed

Subtle?

I'm taking the piss, you moron.

Ab · 16th April 2018, 20:07

Always nice to be accused of homophobia.

Savage · 16th April 2018, 20:33

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Originally Posted by Ab

Always nice to be accused of homophobia.

Don't take it to heart; we're all a bunch of cunts for not having the same opinions as he has (or at least, having different priorities), so you're not alone.

fixed_truth · 16th April 2018, 20:45

Oh shit look out!! National up 1%

http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politi...test-tvnz-poll

Lightspeed · 16th April 2018, 21:13

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Originally Posted by Ab

Always nice to be accused of homophobia.

Well that's not what I was going for, but I get the feeling you can cope. We've all coped with the shit we've given each other over the years. Well, that who remain.

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Originally Posted by Savage

Don't take it to heart; we're all a bunch of cunts for not having the same opinions as he has (or at least, having different priorities), so you're not alone.

Cry some more.

Savage · 16th April 2018, 21:22

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Originally Posted by Lightspeed

Cry some more.

<3 love you baby

cyc · 16th April 2018, 23:18

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Originally Posted by Lightspeed

Cry some more.

That's rich coming from you, lolspeed.

6th April 2018, 07:49	#289
CCS Stunt Pants	Richard Griffin says he was told not to comment on Hirschfeld, Curran meeting So it wasn't just the once that Curran or her office told Griffin what he should or shouldn't be saying - now it's twice. She needs to go. __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

7th April 2018, 00:56	#293
CCS Stunt Pants	Oh look, another misunderstanding! Labour MP Paul Eagle says sorry for phone call profanity, says it was a 'misunderstanding' __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

14th April 2018, 02:11	#302
CCS Stunt Pants	National should have made sure they double bagged. Or even just single bagged. It's always National's fault. __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

16th April 2018, 19:13	#311
CCS Stunt Pants	Witness lolspeed's subtle yet persuasive argument of "OH YEAH? WELL YOU JUST HATE THE GAYS!" __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

29th March 2018, 18:32	#281
fixed_truth	National trying really hard to drag this out from the belt-way. Too bad they desensitized the public with 9 years of their dodgy shit! Apparently people should give a shit because it's not them doing it. __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.

29th March 2018, 19:28	#282
ZoSo	lol for "trying really hard", Bridges has said sfa outside. It's mostly media eating media from everything I've bothered seeing. Understandably.

30th March 2018, 00:15	#283
fixed_truth	I've heard a couple of interviews where he's said along the lines of they're just scratching the surface and they're gonna keep going hard at question time to find the truth. Btw I don't blame them, they're doing what an opposition should. It's just hard to take it them serious after their long list of scandals. __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.

30th March 2018, 15:46	#284
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	This Curran thing is a clusterfuck on a bunch of different levels, and she's so fucking incompetent I don't even think she realises how bad she's fucked up. http://werewolf.co.nz/2018/03/gordon...ns-dim-future/

30th March 2018, 18:05	#286
Lightspeed	National demonstrated Labour need not bother with excuses. Just disregard, move on. Of course, that may be just because National is particularly effective at whipping up furore, Labour let National get away with it. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

2nd April 2018, 20:20	#288
crocos	. __________________ Ξ √ Ω L U T ↑ ☼ N وكل يوم كنت تعيش في العبودية

6th April 2018, 10:38	#290
blynk	I agree that maybe she needs to be moved to a back bench for a while. Earn her place again. But in saying that, it really does sound like Griffin has it out for her. A lot of it is starting to sound like he said/she said - except there is some evidence of the voice mail to Griffin, but he's not releasing it. Why? Is it because there isn't anything discriminating (and maybe he has interpretted it wrong) or is he wanting to build this up even more for a greater impact when he is forced to release it.

6th April 2018, 16:17	#291
Lightspeed	Well at the very least she was stupid enough to make herself vulnerable. I thought this was a good summary: RNZ hearing: No resolution to Curran/Hirschfeld saga __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

12th April 2018, 20:20	#294
Macca@Work	A big thanks to Taxcinda Adhern and her coalition partners The Commu- opps haha I mean the Green Party for further retardation of New Zealands financial development all under the guise of caring for climate change. At least when our childrens children look out of the shanty town they will be living in they will be able to determine that the sky is blue.

13th April 2018, 10:59	#295
Delphinus	This is an incremental but important step in reducing the long-term threats posed by climate change. We can't safely burn even 3/4 of known fossil fuel reserves, let alone new ones. The ban signals the need to transition away from fossil fuels as both energy sources and revenue sources. And even if "financial development" is all you care about, existing permits are unaffected by this announcement. There are 22 permits for offshore oil and gas exploration that could still go ahead. It's hardly going to make any difference to jobs in the next decade.

13th April 2018, 11:07	#296
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	Labour, legislating away Maori land rights since ages ago

13th April 2018, 12:10	#297
fixed_truth	Phasing it out over 30 years is quite reasonable. The rage on newstalk is gold. __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.

13th April 2018, 20:49	#298
Lightspeed	Ministry of Health warns of rise in syphilis cases "How Labour has let things fall apart so quickly!" - National, probably. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

14th April 2018, 02:05	#301
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	Vulnerable to... an aversion to condoms?

16th April 2018, 15:35	#307
pxpx	With Truvada now being publicly funded it will be interesting to see the rates of infection track over the coming 18-24 months.

16th April 2018, 16:58	#309
Lightspeed	Maybe. Maybe there's an increase in drug and alcohol use, risky behaviour in general that this is a symptom of. Maybe it's Russian bots promoting bad behaviour to whip up anti-gay hysteria. Maybe it's a combination of factors. But we're not psychologists here, so our imaginings about what influences human behaviour aren't really worth a damn. It seems more sensible to me to fund actual experts sufficiently to both provide the day-to-day support that people need to understand and manage their sexual behaviours, as well as doing research to understand the ongoing nature of sex in our community. Get ahead of the problems, rather than waiting till they pop out and see who we can blame for them. We're not even doing the former. You seem unconvinced there's any problem at all, other than dirty faggots being dirty faggots. But if there was, how would you know? If National genuinely wrote off the vulnerable of NZ, would you really know? __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

16th April 2018, 17:28	#310
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	On the contrary, if most of the increase in syphilis infections had come from Whangamata hairdressers I would be just as interested in the cause.

16th April 2018, 19:24	#312
Lightspeed	Subtle? __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

16th April 2018, 20:07	#315
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	Always nice to be accused of homophobia.

16th April 2018, 20:45	#317
fixed_truth	Oh shit look out!! National up 1% http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politi...test-tvnz-poll __________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.