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Old 8th November 2022, 18:23     #1841
Ab
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Shuffling deckchairs, but doing so in the name of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion you mean?
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Old 8th November 2022, 18:26     #1842
Lightspeed
 
Well, yeah. The appearance of greater inclusion, with the same resources.

It's clever, really. Keeps people fighting each other, while inequality escalates.
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Old 8th November 2022, 18:47     #1843
Ab
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Decentring mana wahine is super coloniserish.
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Old 8th November 2022, 18:52     #1844
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One reason why I'm looking forward to Te Aka Whai Ora. It will help diversify the voice of authority over such things.

And of course the new resources healthcare will benefit from.
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Old 8th November 2022, 19:24     #1845
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A collaborative reference group, led by co-chairs Dr Hope Tupara and Dr Judith McAra-Couper, was appointed to review the current guidelines. The group included members of both tangata whenua and tangata tiriti.
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Tangata whenua held the view that whānau was a much more appropriate word to use instead of woman, “which is philosophically consistent with mātauranga paradigms of holism in social structures” – the idea that various systems should be viewed as wholes, rather than simply a collection of individual parts.
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“As a Māori midwife, I provide whānau-centred care rather than women-centred care, which allows me to enter into the whānau space and meet the needs of the entire whānau.
“And for me, whānau means ‘as determined by the woman’. So it is not the Western concept of whānau, it can be your flatmate if that’s who you think of as your family.”
She said the change in wording did not change the way midwives provided care, but legitimised her approach as a Māori midwife.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/1303...its-guidelines
I don't know the mandate/expertise of the tangata whenua reference group, or if their or the interviewed Maori midwife's views are inline with tikanga.
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Old 8th November 2022, 21:32     #1846
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Old 8th November 2022, 23:52     #1847
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Tangata whenua held the view
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"As a Māori midwife
I provide
allows me
And for me"
Quite a little linguistic backflip there, first claiming that "tangata whenua" held a single unified view in the past tense #historicalreductionismlol and then moving on to a string of first-person subjective claims by one person in the present tense #mememememe
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Old 9th November 2022, 17:02     #1848
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[img]https://drtitus.xyz/img/PregnantMen.jpeg[img]
See also: Hyena birthing process.
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Old 9th November 2022, 19:39     #1849
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See also: Hyena birthing process.
Ooof. You learn a new thing every day.
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Old 10th November 2022, 13:36     #1850
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The NYC Marathon paid prize money to non-binary runners for the first time, following the introduction of the non-binary category in 2021.

Unsurprisingly, all of that prize money was taken by runners who are biologically male.

https://www.letsrun.com/news/2022/11...lace-in-sport/
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Old 10th November 2022, 13:50     #1851
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That's a win win situation.
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Old 10th November 2022, 14:02     #1852
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Not if you want equal prizemoney for female competitors.
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Old 10th November 2022, 14:10     #1853
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That's only if you want to impose your own definitions on people.
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Old 10th November 2022, 14:40     #1854
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Not if you want equal prizemoney for female competitors.
I would have thought that transmen would rather be allowed to compete in the men's category.
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Old 10th November 2022, 17:45     #1855
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If the prizemoney is split evenly between the categories men, nonbinary, and women then at least 2/3 of the prizemoney for the event goes to males. Possibly all of it if trans males are given access to the women's category.
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Old 10th November 2022, 17:48     #1856
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Only according to your categorisations.

When you've got your own fascist dictatorship, you can impose all the categories you like.
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Old 10th November 2022, 19:09     #1857
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That's only if you want to impose your own definitions on people.
lol, if the words have different definitions then either don't use those words or create new words.
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Old 10th November 2022, 23:47     #1858
Ab
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The should have a Zoroastrian category or a Jehovah's Witness category and give them equal prizemoney, because those are religious beliefs just like gender identity
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Old 10th November 2022, 23:56     #1859
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The should, because why? What outcome do you think they're trying to achieve?

I guess if people don't like it, they'll stopping donating to the marathon. That's how the organisation makes its money, right?
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Old 11th November 2022, 09:25     #1860
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The should, because why? What outcome do you think they're trying to achieve?
Equity.
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Old 13th November 2022, 23:23     #1861
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Old 14th November 2022, 21:51     #1862
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Philosophy Tube performing Ab's worst nightmare:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1eWIshUzr8
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Old 14th November 2022, 22:38     #1863
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I got about 8 seconds in and fuck that. 90 minutes of what?
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Old 15th November 2022, 01:07     #1864
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Laugh

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I got about 8 seconds in and fuck that. 90 minutes of what?
Because *definitely* fuck listening to people who actually live it, amirite?

Like, you'll spend endless hours here arguing on the internet, or maybe just interjecting witty comments, but heaven forbid you should have to do anything that involved any effort, or which consumes your time, or doesn't provide you with an opportunity to display your witty repartee every 5 minutes.

Last edited by Nothing : 15th November 2022 at 01:10.
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Old 15th November 2022, 09:38     #1865
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A red flag went off 11min in when she was talking about children and puberty blockers. Giving kids hormones is fucked up.
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Old 15th November 2022, 09:58     #1866
Ab
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In a sign that the tide is turning, the home of wokeness - The NY Times - agrees:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/14/h...ansgender.html
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Old 15th November 2022, 15:07     #1867
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I distinctly remember calling someone a Faʻafafine was the best insult all the cool kids were using in circa 1994. Maybe it was a suburbian Wellington thing.
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Old 15th November 2022, 21:15     #1868
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Because *definitely* fuck listening to people who actually live it, amirite?

Like, you'll spend endless hours here arguing on the internet, or maybe just interjecting witty comments, but heaven forbid you should have to do anything that involved any effort, or which consumes your time, or doesn't provide you with an opportunity to display your witty repartee every 5 minutes.
Well I did a lot of skipping after about 18 minutes, and to save other people up to 90 minutes of their life, I can summarise it by saying "The British NHS is not very capable with trans people and they have to wait a long time" Which is all I really wanted to know - what was this video about. I did learn that Catch 22 has been remade into a mini series though, as the footage was not from the original film.
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Old 15th November 2022, 23:18     #1869
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I got about 8 seconds in and fuck that. 90 minutes of what?
I can't stand listening to things slowly that I can read quickly, so I manually scrubbed through it at about 4x speed and read the subtitles. Summary: gender dysphoric English man thinks that it's possible to change sex, that pre-pubescent children who claim to be suffering from gender dysphoria should receive early medical treatment because going through puberty can cause them "irreparable damage", and that the entire concept of gender dysphoria is itself invalid and society should just accept people the way they are. And perform surgical modifications on them.

Fuck right off.
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Old 16th November 2022, 06:57     #1870
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Pity we can't have the conservation without the transphobic labeling
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Old 16th November 2022, 07:01     #1871
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"The British NHS is not very capable with trans people and they have to wait a long time"
This goes against the narrative that people are being rushed into treatment.
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Old 16th November 2022, 10:22     #1872
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Pity we can't have the conservation without the transphobic labeling
That person is an adult human male dressed as a woman, putting on a carefully scripted and produced performance on social media with the intention that the viewers will be so entertained and amused by teh funnay video that our rational brains won’t notice that he is saying things that are scientifically and empirically untrue, and advocating for irreversible hormonal and surgical operations on children. Save me the pearl-clutching. He can fuck right off.
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Old 16th November 2022, 10:59     #1873
fixed_truth
 
It's not hate speech yet so yeah you're free to be an asshole and purposely label someone against their preference. But in doing so you've turned anything you say into the 'for the circle jerk only' category. Even if the rest of what you say might have some merit.
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Old 16th November 2022, 11:43     #1874
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It's not hate speech yet
Would it have been easier to hear if I'd put on a costume, spoke in a funny voice, and acted like it was World War II Britain? Maybe added some cool text and some sound effects?
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Old 16th November 2022, 13:59     #1875
Ab
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Gender-ideology activist group Stonewall advises employers to give transgender staff multiple email addresses so they can correspond as whichever identity they feel at the moment of emailing


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ail-addresses/
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Old 16th November 2022, 14:03     #1876
xor
 
I've been reading about trans racialism. Interesting stuff.
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Old 16th November 2022, 19:12     #1877
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/30...esearcher-says
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Old 17th November 2022, 05:55     #1878
fixed_truth
 
^that's hardly a controversial take.
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Old 17th November 2022, 10:04     #1879
Ab
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After review, Volleyball UK announces policy for transgender participation.

https://www.volleyballengland.org/ar...-participation

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In a review of published research, Sport England found that with or without testosterone suppression, there is no appreciable loss of strength or physique in transitioning males. Therefore, based on the current volleyball competition formats, safety and fairness cannot be reconciled with self-identification in the female category.
Outcome: trans females can compete in the men's category if they want; trans males can not compete in the women's category; trans females can not compete in the women's category if they are taking testosterone.

Sanity wins.
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Old 17th November 2022, 11:32     #1880
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^that's hardly a controversial take.
Of course it is, it's fucking stupid and pathetic.

Not ignoring there is a link between capitalism and global warming. I'd agree 100% with that.

But linking that back to colonisation is so myopic it hurts.

You gonna tell me that China has zero emissions?
How about Russia?

If you use that kind of bleeding heart ideology, literally everything can be 'causally linked' to colonisation. Perfect for victimhood.

Not arguing against some of what the guy says, but hedging it causally is stupid. It's a tangential issue.

If he were to talk about industrialisation instead of colonisation, then I would have some respect for him.
Anything else just comes across as indoctrinated agenda pushing. And I'm not right wing. I don't throw those words around like memes.
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