political correctness gone mad

[Lightspeed]

Originally Posted by Ab

Jesus, what's the deal here?

https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/20-...epentant-nazi/

Why are we giving the name and reputation of this member of the Waffen SS, literally a Nazi, a free pass? Did he just keep his head down and not say anything about trans rights, so he's good?

Holy fuck.

This nails it:

Something is amiss when an actual Nazi living in Aotearoa is kid-gloved and celebrated, while a photo on social media of a political candidate impersonating Hitler at the age of 14 causes an uproar. It is an indictment on this country that there was no real reckoning with Huber’s past, but more than a touch of historical revisionism.

[Ab]

Totally cool with literal Nazism, but we can’t say the magic syllables

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12360410

[xor]

If its a racial slur does that Make Malcolm X racist towards black people?

Imagine raising a little princess and sending them to a wealthy school such as St Cuth's? They are raising a bunch of feeble brittle spirited kids to become brittle spirited adults.

[Ab]

But the syllables do violence

[Know me.]

Completely bonkers. Most interesting times in history are full of death and racism.

Quote is probably this one. Used in the context of a racial slur against black people.

If the master's house caught on fire, the house Negro would fight harder to put the blaze out than the master would. If the master got sick, the house Negro would say, "What's the matter, boss, we sick?" We sick! He identified himself with his master, more than his master identified with himself. And if you came to the house Negro and said, "Let's run away, let's escape, let's separate," the house Negro would look at you and say, "Man, you crazy. What you mean, separate? Where is there a better house than this? Where can I wear better clothes than this? Where can I eat better food than this?" That was that house Negro. In those days he was called a "house nigger." And that's what we call them today, because we've still got some house niggers running around here


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kf7fujM4ag

[fixed_truth]

I think that it's a bit more complex.

In considering context who gets to decide what context is okay to use it? Who gets to decide whether someones offense to the word, regardless of context, is valid?

[Know me.]

A second reflection on this quote is not the use of the word nigger but the substance of what Malcolm x was saying. It could be uncomfortable for the student if you put my stereotypes of the typical St Cuths classroom together with the person that might complain about the use of the word nigger.

I'd be offended being called a field nigger or uncle tom.

[fixed_truth]

Calling random people a slave is probably not a good idea

'Is that your slave?': Hamilton shop owner accused of racially vilifying Māori customer

[xor]

Originally Posted by fixed_truth

I think that it's a bit more complex.

In considering context who gets to decide what context is okay to use it? Who gets to decide whether someones offense to the word, regardless of context, is valid?

Are you asking a rhetorical question? Nobody has the right to claim authority on any words, or what words can and cannot be uttered.

[fixed_truth]

We do have laws around speech for example offensive language, naming people under name suppression, threatening people, slander, blackmail.

[xor]

Ah yes, the harmful digital Comms act. The law that has the capability of prosecuting those who spread rumours. How Orwellian.

Defamation, blackmail, breaching court orders belong in a very different bucket from a school lesson that quotes Malcolm X.

[Lightspeed]

Schools are Orwellian full stop.

But y'know, given the dramatic consequences of knowingly sharing false information in the digital age in some cases, I think that law is less than so.

[Ab]

Black TV writer Walter Mosely once described an instance in which he was racially profiled by a white policeman who pulled him over and said "I stop all niggers in this neighbourhood".

So of course Mosely was hauled in front of the network's HR department for using the magic syllables. In his personal account of being the victim of racism.

For a local example of this silliness, see:

Originally Posted by Ab

This one time, Andy Haden accused the Crusaders Super Rugby franchise of having a "no darkies" selection policy that was deliberately excluding Maori and Pasifika players from leadership positions, so of course nothing happened to the Crusaders but Haden was cancelled for saying the word "darkies".

[Lightspeed]

Yeah. You're always going to find those who want to stomp on those they see beneath them finding whatever excuse they can to stomp. Such people are not the type to care about the appropriateness of the boot. Like school boards.

[Ab]

The magic syllables strike again

https://campusreform.org/?ID=15580

[crocos]

Huh. Was very clear in his diction: Nega. Similar to those infamously banned syllables, but very clearly NOT those syllables.

[Ab]

Doesn’t matter what he said, it’s the violence suffered by the victims that matters

[Cyberbob]

zErO tOlErAnCe!

[pxpx]

Super glad to not be a student anymore and in no way will I be actively encouraging either of my boys to attend university (they are free to choose, whereas I faced significant pressure), if this is the kind of crap educators foist upon them.

[Nich]

Hah! I used to date a Taiwanese girl and would always have a giggle when the family talked in Mandarin. It's a word that stands out when you don't understand the language. And yes, it has about the same meaning as "Um" or "That"

[Nich]

Originally Posted by pxpx

Super glad to not be a student anymore and in no way will I be actively encouraging either of my boys to attend university (they are free to choose, whereas I faced significant pressure), if this is the kind of crap educators foist upon them.

You're in luck, Google is now offering "Career Certificates". Finally, an alternative to the woke agenda at universities!
https://www.inc.com/justin-bariso/go...ty-genius.html

[fixed_truth]

I haven't seen much evidence of this type of thing in NZ apart from that Don Brash Massy Uni thing a few years ago.

[xor]

https://www.coon.com.au/en/our-history

The best cheese is coon cheese

[Know me.]

Nothing worse than the smell of coons.

[Trigga*happY]

When did the word "Black" come back into fashion as a racial descriptor? A decade ago and much more recently it had fallen to almost the level of the N word. People would fall over themselves trying to find the right ethnic descriptor, "african american", "polynesian" etc. Seeing it come back to the spotlight has been somewhat jarring in todays climate. Headlines stating Black Man, Black woman did this, or had this happen. I personally fear that pushing the distinction so blatantly is aggravating seperatism and segregation in a climate where recognition and solidarity would appear to be the way forward. Maybe I'm backward here, happy to be enlightened.

[Lightspeed]

I don't know, but I wish we wouldn't make out like the US's bullshit is our bullshit.

[Cyberbob]

As long as it's a verb and not a noun.

"The black men" versus "The Blacks."

[Trigga*happY]

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

I don't know, but I wish we wouldn't make out like the US's bullshit is our bullshit.

Understand the sentiment, but in a global information society such as we are experiencing, it's reasonable to assume there is going to be spillover, especially when the subject is one that is a problem for both countries.

[BoyWonder]

Originally Posted by Cyberbob

As long as it's a verb and not a noun.

"The black men" versus "The Blacks."

Adjective

[Ab]

Worth it for the headline alone

Professor Placed on Leave after Black Students Complained His Pronunciation of a Chinese Word Affected Their Mental Health

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...mental-health/

[StN]

^^ Ahh - now I understand a discussion on Reddit where a chap was saying that he would keep hearing *that* word when visiting his Asian girlfriend's parents house, and indicted it was a Mandarin filler word.

[Cyberbob]

Originally Posted by BoyWonder

Adjective

haha fuck. Rookie mistake. Now to figure out what 'blacking' is. It doesn't sound good.

[Nich]

I think Justin Trudeau partakes in "Blacking"

[fixed_truth]

Lecturer who posted 'insensitive' online comments leaving Canterbury uni
Oh no it's happening in NZ, oh wait no it's not. Good job

[xor]

I guess half of the users from nzgames should be fired based on their post history as well eh?

Especially Since Rince aka SLUTS guy

[fixed_truth]

Yeah I guess so. If nzgames was a public forum, and they did so recently, and while disclosing their full name & workplace, and it was equivalent to suggesting beneficiaries should kill themselves. Then yeah.

[xor]

So this turkey wrote some outlandish shit about people on the dole, was there anything more to it? Are people taking this literally? Should they? Is there room allowed for exaggeration, nuance, context? What did this turkey mean when he said that beneficiaries should kill themselves? why isn't this explained in the article?

Who gets to decide who keeps and who loses their job? The court of public opinion? People on the left? People on the right?

Who gets to define what is deemed insensitive? If someone yells 'fuck John Key' Should they be dragged up to the court of public opinion and fired for something they said in 2013?

[fixed_truth]

A lot of it seems to be about how much of a platform this person has to spread their harmful messages.

But to answer your question whether someone is moved on I suppose it is ultimately decided by their employer (on the basis of the employees negative public actions negatively effecting their business). Of course the employee could appeal this.

But behind that decision, yeah, public opinion (or a vocal group) are influencing the employers decisions.

[xor]

Sounds very tribal

[Lightspeed]

I guess having standards of character has some tribal elements and can be used to exclude "the wrong sort". I don't think that's "very" tribal, the alternative being to abandon standards of character for people in jobs where character matters.