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Old 4th April 2016, 09:27     #1
Juju
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Mossack Fonseca

http://panamapapers.sueddeutsche.de/...b8d3c3495adf4/


TLDR:
2.6 TB leak of Panama shell company documents
11+ million documents

Mossack Fonseca enabled offshore companies to create an anonymous business with fake directors.



And a bit of lols:

MOSSACK FONSECA & CO. (NEW ZEALAND) LIMITED
Directors

2013-Dec-16
THOMPSON, Roger John
260 Victoria Avenue, Remuera, Auckland, 1050, New Zealand

Get your running shoes on Rog!
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Old 4th April 2016, 09:59     #2
spigalau
 
rofl - http://coys.co.nz/search/?a=260+VICT...MUERA+AUCKLAND

EARGASM... umm wtf
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Old 4th April 2016, 14:02     #3
Ab
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This is actually looking pretty fucking huge.
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Old 4th April 2016, 14:48     #4
Cyberbob
 
It just got itself a website too.

https://panamapapers.icij.org/
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Old 4th April 2016, 14:50     #5
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Quote:
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This is actually looking pretty fucking huge.
While everyone kinda knew this stuff was going on, this is the proof that was needed for any charges to stick.
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Old 4th April 2016, 15:19     #6
blynk
 
Unfortunately we are going to come of looking bad out of this.
It will make us appear more corrupt.
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Old 4th April 2016, 15:38     #7
Ab
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The real popcorn moments will come as people start grepping the leak for "Trump" and "Clinton"
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Old 4th April 2016, 16:09     #8
blynk
 
Quote:
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The real popcorn moments will come as people start grepping the leak for "Trump" and "Clinton"
Or imagine the bombshell of Sanders popping up. I wouldn't be surprised if the other 2 are in there.
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Old 4th April 2016, 16:42     #9
sidbo
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Comments I read elsewhere held a certain grim truth for me, in that as much as I'd love to see Trump be neck deep, he's too much of an egotist to try and hide his wealth/income as he sees it as a sort of personal scoreboard as to how awesome he is.
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Old 4th April 2016, 16:58     #10
blynk
 
Although he does always state his wealth is a lot more than anyone can quantify.
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Old 4th April 2016, 17:40     #11
sidbo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blynk
Or imagine the bombshell of Sanders popping up.
This would be the only possible thing better than Trump getting elected. But stop it, I can only get so erect.
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Old 4th April 2016, 18:37     #12
fixed_truth
 
Quote:
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Although he does always state his wealth is a lot more than anyone can quantify.
Last year Forbes estimated he overstates his net-worth by about 5 billion. Would be funny if it came out he was hiding that amount.
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Old 5th April 2016, 20:35     #13
Lightspeed
 
I wonder if the data could be used to identify the benefactors of successful heists.
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Old 5th April 2016, 23:17     #14
MadMax
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Or how long before ... This piece of paper from the release says you have a few billionaros in a bank account. Hand it over or the family members we saw also mentioned on said papers currently in our custody in a secure dark room will meet their maker.
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Old 6th April 2016, 07:36     #15
fixed_truth
 
Quote:
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This is actually looking pretty fucking huge.
Iceland Prime Minister resigns over leak scandal

Dam son, who's next to topple?
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Old 6th April 2016, 09:08     #16
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Quote:
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The real popcorn moments will come as people start grepping the leak for "Trump" and "Clinton"
If I was Joe Billionare, my name wouldn't be anywhere near those records, it'll be Fallguy Underling. Why isn't this the case here?
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Old 6th April 2016, 11:04     #17
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Quote:
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If I was Joe Billionare, my name wouldn't be anywhere near those records, it'll be Fallguy Underling. Why isn't this the case here?
I might be wrong, but try this one:

"If I was Joe Billionaire, I wouldn't have my name on my bank account, it would be Fallguy Underling."

Oh, well then I guess Fallguy Underling is the actual billionaire.
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Old 18th April 2016, 20:13     #18
Ab
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Has anyone noticed that Labour has gone dead silent on the whole Panama tax haven thing?
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Old 18th April 2016, 20:48     #19
CCS
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I wonder if it turned out that too many senior Labour MPs are up to their nuts in Wombat Fortuna dealings... or if they're busy plotting... the brains trust of Andrew Little and Matt McCarten huddling over the biggest whiteboard that Labour funds can buy.
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Old 19th April 2016, 01:20     #20
CCS
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Come to think of it, I suppose Labour is concentrating on the McCully thing. They ought not be letting up on Mossad Fondue thing though. Labour doesn't have any evidence on either issue but that hasn't stopped them before, so why not go for it?
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Old 19th April 2016, 13:35     #21
Ab
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Don't worry, Labour's about to go silent on that one too:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/n...ectid=11624603

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The Matavai is owned by the Niue Tourism Property Trust on behalf of the Government of Niue, which owned the resort before then. That arrangement was put in place in 2011 to ensure oversight of the aid investment New Zealand was putting in. Mr McCully appoints the trustees who are Ross Ardern (NZ’s High Commissioner to Niue and father of Labour MP Jacinda Ardern)...
I'm crying tears of lol
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Old 19th April 2016, 15:06     #22
CCS
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so many lol gifs to choose from

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Old 9th May 2016, 11:28     #23
Ab
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All that buildup and all we got was another Moment of Truth, ripped off.
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Old 9th May 2016, 13:20     #24
CCS
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MUSTARD FONTANA, YOU ARE DISAPPOINT.
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Old 9th May 2016, 13:38     #25
pxpx
 
#hagerfail
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Old 9th May 2016, 14:24     #26
Ab
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https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-...-harmful-world

HARD CORE PORNOGRAPHERS.
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Old 9th May 2016, 15:06     #27
Lightspeed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ab
All that buildup and all we got was another Moment of Truth, ripped off.
Can you say more about what you were expecting and how this compares to what's been revealed?

I thought this interview was very interesting, I'm not sure how much attention will be paid to it:
Mossack Fonseca NZ's registered office responds
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Old 9th May 2016, 15:11     #28
pxpx
 
Quote:
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Can you say more about what you were expecting and how this compares to what's been revealed?

I thought this interview was very interesting, I'm not sure how much attention will be paid to it:
Mossack Fonseca NZ's registered office responds
Certainly more attention should be paid.
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Old 9th May 2016, 15:15     #29
ZoSo
 
Ab: did you see the expert team desperately looking for you know who..
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-...=4884202706001
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Old 9th May 2016, 15:24     #30
pxpx
 
Nicky "they're IN the computer" Hager
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Old 9th May 2016, 15:25     #31
Ab
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Hold on - maybe tomorrow is the big data dump?
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Old 9th May 2016, 15:51     #32
fixed_truth
 
Are we the new Cayman Islands yet?
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Old 9th May 2016, 17:55     #33
pxpx
 
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Are we the new Cayman Islands yet?
If you ask Nicky Hager we're a tax haven because he did Ctrl+F for "new zealand" in a big word document with a bit of help from the centre for investigatory jernalists who cant read good, and who wanna learn to do other stuff good too.

If you ask James Shaw then we look like a tax haven, smell like a tax haven, walk like a tax haven sooooooo, then there's just a perception that we're a tax haven (but he's not saying we're a tax haven outright because he needs to maintain his 'Economic credibility').

If you ask Andrew Little then he'll just stare at you blankly before mumbling something about banning something then hand you a dead fish.

As for the media, well from the looks of it (on twitter at least) they appear to be turning on themselves.
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Old 9th May 2016, 18:07     #34
pxpx
 
^ someone do JK and Bill English
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Old 10th May 2016, 12:35     #35
Lightspeed
 
I don't know what people are expecting to be in the data dump, but what's been revealed so far is certainly eye opening, for example the foreign trust explosion.
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Old 10th May 2016, 13:16     #36
Ab
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But that's not something that's been revealed in the Panama leak. Those are stats from the IRD, stats that it has because all these trusts are obeying the law and filing their data.
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Old 10th May 2016, 14:41     #37
Lightspeed
 
Indeed, but would we be aware of this if the leak never came about?

Just like JK's "sloppy" relationship with his lawyer, and it seems his indifference is any separation between his public role and his personal affairs.

It's almost like these leaks become a disappointing focal point. Like we're only able to be concerned with scandal rather than the legal and mundane ways the rich are increasing their wealth at the expense of the majority.
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Old 10th May 2016, 14:43     #38
Lightspeed
 
What else might be of public interest, but never sees the light of day because it's apparently legitimate and normal?
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Old 10th May 2016, 15:49     #39
Ab
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Quote:
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Indeed, but would we be aware of this if the leak never came about?
Aware of what? Like I said, that's not leaked data. That's info from the IRD, which anyone can ask for. Edit update: So far the the impact of the Panama leak on NZ seems to be nothing. Under NZ's current foreign trust laws, which as far as I can tell have been in place forever, tax professionals are legally setting up trusts for legitimate clients to legally minimise tax, which as far as I can tell has been going on since at least the eighties. This again looks like a Moment of Truth bowl of fuck and I fully expect it to give National a bounce in the polls.
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Old 10th May 2016, 15:52     #40
Lightspeed
 
o_O

Was anyone asking for it pre-leak? Did anyone think to ask? To consider its significance? Was the public aware?
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