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spigalau · 7th December 2015, 13:56

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Originally Posted by Lightspeed

This gave me shivers...

Collins to return as Corrections Minister

You get the shivers when aroused ?

pxpx · 7th December 2015, 14:20

Lightspeed · 7th December 2015, 14:39

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Originally Posted by spigalau

You get the shivers when aroused ?

The only arousal that's going on is my fight or flight response.

CCS · 7th December 2015, 14:52

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Originally Posted by pxpx

[img]hotcollins.jpg[/img]

Looking at that photo, who'd have thought she'd turn into a scary old porridge-legged woman.

fixed_truth · 7th December 2015, 16:48

CCS · 7th December 2015, 19:56

Yeah, like that, but with a pair of stockings filled with porridge.

Ab · 7th December 2015, 20:20

Y U NO LOVE CRUSHER

CCS · 7th December 2015, 23:06

Oh I think she'd be a great Mayor for Auckland. She'd cut right through the bullshit and that is sorely needed right now. A shame she isn't running.

But I think wistfully of young Judith in that photo and how much I like slender arms... that ebullient smile... and now...

StN · 8th December 2015, 07:24

pxpx · 9th December 2015, 13:09

Serco sacked:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11558364

Juju · 10th December 2015, 10:06

Would have been political suicide to renew the contract.

So what happens now - does the gov take over the place or do they put it to tender again?

CCS · 10th December 2015, 10:12

I think they'll have to let corrections take over for a while so that the public can see how shit they are at it.

blynk · 10th December 2015, 12:32

They still have the contracts till 2017. The government will put another tender out. I doubt they will bring in back in house in an election year where the opposition will have them up on how bad privatisation is.

Lightspeed · 17th December 2015, 23:49

While democracy wanes across the world, ours still holds:
High Court finds police raid on Nicky Hager was illegal

pxpx · 18th December 2015, 09:02

I wonder if that's like getting off a speeding ticket because the officer writing the ticket put on the wrong date, or if the 'relevant' information would have changed the original decision to issue the warrant? The article doesn't mention much, but yeah these sure are the end times.

Lightspeed · 18th December 2015, 14:30

You know, it doesn't need to be end times for things to be bad. Hideous, all consuming war isn't that great either. That does happen, you know? It's happened within living memory.

I wonder about the propensity to consider our power structures as right and just, stable and nourishing. When so often we see that's not the case, with devastating consequences.

pxpx · 18th December 2015, 14:49

Ab · 18th December 2015, 15:16

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Originally Posted by pxpx

I wonder if that's like getting off a speeding ticket because the officer writing the ticket put on the wrong date, or if the 'relevant' information would have changed the original decision to issue the warrant? The article doesn't mention much, but yeah these sure are the end times.

Reads to me like the police didn't tell the judge who issued the warrant that the guy whose house they wanted to search was a political journalist.

Juju · 21st December 2015, 10:44

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Originally Posted by Ab

Reads to me like the police didn't tell the judge who issued the warrant that the guy whose house they wanted to search was a political journalist.

Yup... It seems when Police submit to a judge for a warrant they have to act as both prosecution and defence for the accused. In this case they 'forgot' to mention the small fact that he was a journalist (Although surely the issuing judge would have heard of Nicky Hagar?) and was protected under such and such freedom of press/protecting sources laws yadda yadda.

fixed_truth · 22nd December 2015, 07:35

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Whatever his detractors think of his politics, even the Prime Minister is entitled to a bit of natural justice. Without evidence to the contrary, Key has effectively been declared guilty for a joke he did not make and did not even know was a joke. And there is no evidence to the contrary.

There was nothing in his reaction to the soap that indicated he detected such overtones, just bafflement as to why there was soap there at all. There is no reason to doubt his denial to White Ribbon, no matter what his detractors say. I knew of the reference, but several acquaintances had to Google it.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11564464

I agree in this situation Key genuinely didn't know what was going on.

xor · 22nd December 2015, 08:35

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Originally Posted by fixed_truth

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11564464

I agree in this situation Key genuinely didn't know what was going on.

That's why the PM would have minders who make sure this shit doesn't happen. The PM has an interview on the radio with a bunch of woodstock drinking bogans? Perhaps I better go to the station first and i dunno, CHECK IF THERE IS A CAGE WITH A BAR OF SOAP ON THE FLOOR?

CCS · 22nd December 2015, 08:53

Reckon he doesn't care, eh. 'Cos he's not precious. Eh.

ZoSo · 22nd December 2015, 09:20

Kyle MacDonald hitting peak Key derangement syndrome by actually seriously using "triggered" on national tv news. Unbelievable.

blynk · 22nd December 2015, 11:24

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Originally Posted by fixed_truth

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11564464

I agree in this situation Key genuinely didn't know what was going on.

But he's just one of the guys. How would he not know what bending over and picking up soap means.

CCS · 22nd December 2015, 13:07

What's he supposed to do? Look like a sour cunt and refuse to do what he's asked after initially being up for it? That's the sort of shit Andrew Little would pull. Being a miseryguts is the domain of the Left.

Somebody is always going to be offended, no matter what. When it comes to Key, people are actively seeking out reasons to be offended and it doesn't even matter any more that Key hasn't actually said anything.

Lightspeed · 22nd December 2015, 13:57

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Originally Posted by CCS

What's he supposed to do?

"Yeah, nah mate, I won't be doing that."

If pushed, in a more serious tone:
"I'm sorry, it seems like we would be making light of prison rape, which I can't do."

Many may not know how to maintain these kind of boundaries, but I would expect the PM to be able to.

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Originally Posted by CCS

Somebody is always going to be offended, no matter what. When it comes to Key, people are actively seeking out reasons to be offended and it doesn't even matter any more that Key hasn't actually said anything.

No, rape and sexual violence is a well understood serious problem that limits the quality of our society.

CCS · 22nd December 2015, 14:15

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Originally Posted by Lightspeed

"Yeah, nah mate, I won't be doing that."

If pushed, in a more serious tone:
"I'm sorry, it seems like we would be making light of prison rape, which I can't do."

Many may not know how to maintain these kind of boundaries, but I would expect the PM to be able to.

Of course he knew they were going to have him pick up soap. Maybe he should have said "Nah mate, somebody, somewhere, somehow will be offended"

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No, rape and sexual violence is a well understood serious problem that limits the quality of our society.

John Key hasn't raped anybody.

Lightspeed · 22nd December 2015, 14:24

You seem to not understand why people are offended. It's not simply because they don't like rape. It's because the person most responsible for where our country's resources are spent is demonstrating an indifferent attitude to sexual violence, which is well understood to have a significantly detrimental impact on our society.

This means that a) more people are likely to be impacted by sexual violence (consider roast busters for example) and b) those impacted by sexual violence are less likely to get help and support to recover.

And we can see this beyond these kind of seemingly superficial events. I'm sure I don't need to demonstrate again how under National the services that would help those facing sexual violence have been undermined.

Either you don't understand, or you're being a cunt CCS. Either option seems equally likely.

CCS · 22nd December 2015, 14:49

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Originally Posted by Lightspeed

You seem to not understand why people are offended. It's not simply because they don't like rape. It's because the person most responsible for where our country's resources are spent is demonstrating an indifferent attitude to sexual violence, which is well understood to have a significantly detrimental impact on our society.

No. He's responding indifferently to people who are moaning and holding him responsible for the actions of a radio station.

Lightspeed · 22nd December 2015, 15:08

No. By making light of rape, he's demonstrating his indifference to rape.

I mean, I don't think rape jokes are taboo, sometimes you need some gallows humour. But this in the PM and in public he's always acting in the capacity of the PM. It's not on that he pulls this shit.

pxpx · 22nd December 2015, 15:19

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Originally Posted by Lightspeed

No. By making light of rape, he's demonstrating his indifference to rape.

I mean, I don't think rape jokes are taboo, sometimes you need some gallows humour. But this in the PM and in public he's always acting in the capacity of the PM. It's not on that he pulls this shit.

Key Derangement Syndrome in full effect right here

Lightspeed · 22nd December 2015, 15:24

CCS · 22nd December 2015, 15:45

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Originally Posted by Lightspeed

No. By making light of rape, he's demonstrating his indifference to rape.

I don't think he is making light of rape. I think the radio DJs were making light of rape.

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I mean, I don't think rape jokes are taboo, sometimes you need some gallows humour. But this in the PM and in public he's always acting in the capacity of the PM. It's not on that he pulls this shit.

I don't think he's pulling any shit. I think some radio DJs are.

I think people feel more strongly about their John Key Derangement Syndrome than they do about rape issues.
Rape issues are really just a vessel for people to express their John Key-related rage. Doesn't matter what the vessel is, as long as they get to do it.

Lightspeed · 22nd December 2015, 15:54

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Originally Posted by CCS

I don't think he is making light of rape. I think the radio DJs were making light of rape.

I don't think he's pulling any shit. I think some radio DJs are.

I think people feel more strongly about their John Key Derangement Syndrome than they do about rape issues.
Rape issues are really just a vessel for people to express their John Key-related rage. Doesn't matter what the vessel is, as long as they get to do it.

I get that JK might have got caught up in some radio DJs' stupid joke, he's the PM he can do better. Remember the hoopla about a minister who forgot a 10 year old letter?

I understand you may be only able to think of once instance at a time, but many are able to consider a larger picture, a broader context. The shit JK has been pulling goes far beyond this instance.

And we will all pay the price and we will blame not those in power, but those vulnerable to it.

Ab · 22nd December 2015, 18:49

Long piece, insightful, you read.

http://www.theawl.com/2015/12/access-denied

Spoon1 · 22nd December 2015, 19:15

You're tripping balls if you think John Key doesn't know a prison rape joke when he sees one.

Lightspeed · 22nd December 2015, 20:39

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Originally Posted by Ab

Long piece, insightful, you read.

http://www.theawl.com/2015/12/access-denied

Can I read it after the Trumpocalypse?

ZoSo · 28th December 2015, 15:12

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Originally Posted by CCS

I think people feel more strongly about their John Key Derangement Syndrome than they do about rape issues.

Proven. KDS too strong. Even get a free pass with it.
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2015/12/kyle_macdonald.html

CCS · 28th December 2015, 16:41

Lightspeed · 29th December 2015, 14:39

I'm sorry guys, the government disagrees, NZ's mental health is perfectly fine.

7th December 2015, 19:56	#3486
CCS Stunt Pants	Yeah, like that, but with a pair of stockings filled with porridge. __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

7th December 2015, 23:06	#3488
CCS Stunt Pants	Oh I think she'd be a great Mayor for Auckland. She'd cut right through the bullshit and that is sorely needed right now. A shame she isn't running. But I think wistfully of young Judith in that photo and how much I like slender arms... that ebullient smile... and now... __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

10th December 2015, 10:12	#3492
CCS Stunt Pants	I think they'll have to let corrections take over for a while so that the public can see how shit they are at it. __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

22nd December 2015, 08:53	#3502
CCS Stunt Pants	Reckon he doesn't care, eh. 'Cos he's not precious. Eh. __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

22nd December 2015, 13:07	#3505
CCS Stunt Pants	What's he supposed to do? Look like a sour cunt and refuse to do what he's asked after initially being up for it? That's the sort of shit Andrew Little would pull. Being a miseryguts is the domain of the Left. Somebody is always going to be offended, no matter what. When it comes to Key, people are actively seeking out reasons to be offended and it doesn't even matter any more that Key hasn't actually said anything. __________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

7th December 2015, 16:48	#3485
fixed_truth	__________________ Protecting your peace is way more important than proving your point. Some people aren't open to cultivating their views. Just let them be wrong.

7th December 2015, 20:20	#3487
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	Y U NO LOVE CRUSHER

8th December 2015, 07:24	#3489
StN I have detailed files

9th December 2015, 13:09	#3490
pxpx	Serco sacked: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11558364

10th December 2015, 10:06	#3491
Juju get to da choppa	Would have been political suicide to renew the contract. So what happens now - does the gov take over the place or do they put it to tender again?

10th December 2015, 12:32	#3493
blynk	They still have the contracts till 2017. The government will put another tender out. I doubt they will bring in back in house in an election year where the opposition will have them up on how bad privatisation is.

17th December 2015, 23:49	#3494
Lightspeed	While democracy wanes across the world, ours still holds: High Court finds police raid on Nicky Hager was illegal __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

18th December 2015, 09:02	#3495
pxpx	I wonder if that's like getting off a speeding ticket because the officer writing the ticket put on the wrong date, or if the 'relevant' information would have changed the original decision to issue the warrant? The article doesn't mention much, but yeah these sure are the end times.

18th December 2015, 14:30	#3496
Lightspeed	You know, it doesn't need to be end times for things to be bad. Hideous, all consuming war isn't that great either. That does happen, you know? It's happened within living memory. I wonder about the propensity to consider our power structures as right and just, stable and nourishing. When so often we see that's not the case, with devastating consequences. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

22nd December 2015, 09:20	#3503
ZoSo	Kyle MacDonald hitting peak Key derangement syndrome by actually seriously using "triggered" on national tv news. Unbelievable.

22nd December 2015, 14:24	#3508
Lightspeed	You seem to not understand why people are offended. It's not simply because they don't like rape. It's because the person most responsible for where our country's resources are spent is demonstrating an indifferent attitude to sexual violence, which is well understood to have a significantly detrimental impact on our society. This means that a) more people are likely to be impacted by sexual violence (consider roast busters for example) and b) those impacted by sexual violence are less likely to get help and support to recover. And we can see this beyond these kind of seemingly superficial events. I'm sure I don't need to demonstrate again how under National the services that would help those facing sexual violence have been undermined. Either you don't understand, or you're being a cunt CCS. Either option seems equally likely. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

22nd December 2015, 15:08	#3510
Lightspeed	No. By making light of rape, he's demonstrating his indifference to rape. I mean, I don't think rape jokes are taboo, sometimes you need some gallows humour. But this in the PM and in public he's always acting in the capacity of the PM. It's not on that he pulls this shit. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.

22nd December 2015, 15:24	#3512
Lightspeed	__________________ Stay shook. No sook.

22nd December 2015, 18:49	#3515
Ab A mariachi ogre snorkel	Long piece, insightful, you read. http://www.theawl.com/2015/12/access-denied

22nd December 2015, 19:15	#3516
Spoon1 Mmm... Sacrilicious	You're tripping balls if you think John Key doesn't know a prison rape joke when he sees one.

28th December 2015, 16:41	#3519
CCS Stunt Pants	__________________ I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the owner?

29th December 2015, 14:39	#3520
Lightspeed	I'm sorry guys, the government disagrees, NZ's mental health is perfectly fine. __________________ Stay shook. No sook.