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10th December 2014, 21:56 | #2922 |
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he means the economic structure relying upon and perpetuating income inequality stunts worldwide growth.
was that just the lameass punctuation sperge intro to one of CoCkSuckers tirade distactions? yes. yes, i think so.
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11th December 2014, 08:00 | #2924 |
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The inequality gap needs to increase some more; the deadbeats we have would be best served by experiencing a lifestyle consistent with the effort of their contribution.
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11th December 2014, 08:01 | #2925 |
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Ah so the steep rise in income inequality during the 80s and 90s was the fault of the current government?
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11th December 2014, 10:08 | #2926 |
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What about the rise in inequality that's occurring now?
Oh wait, we have a rockstar economy, it's just some NZers are getting greedier and lazier. /s
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11th December 2014, 10:41 | #2927 | |
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Sounds like some of the inequality is self inflicted
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11th December 2014, 11:00 | #2928 |
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Damn pxpx, you show off a gross lack of insight sometimes.
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11th December 2014, 11:22 | #2929 |
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Feel free to make your point clearer then.
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11th December 2014, 11:37 | #2930 |
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Well we could start with how getting pregnant, giving birth, raising children is not an economic decision in any species, humans are no exception. In fact in resource distress humans tend to have more children, in resource abundance we have less.
And that's just a start, before we even begin considering any values and principles we might hold as a society and the reasons we hold those values.
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11th December 2014, 12:16 | #2931 |
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How does one become a 'Professional Beneficiary' ? What skill set does one require ? How much can I get ?
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11th December 2014, 13:56 | #2932 |
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The benifit is a drop in the ocean compared to superannuation, so I don't really care about the benifit bludgers.
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11th December 2014, 14:22 | #2933 |
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because only the wealthy should have kids ? right?
I know where this train of thought is going....
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11th December 2014, 14:52 | #2934 | |
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11th December 2014, 15:12 | #2935 | |
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It says nothing about inequality NOW or how it affects NZ NOW. You can infer what you like, but don't post your inferences and then say that's what the report says. |
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11th December 2014, 15:13 | #2936 | |
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People that spout on about this normally quickly move on to “from my experiences” or things they have seen regarding people on welfare, then quickly jump over to race generally described as “in their culture”. Don’t get me wrong, I am totally into personal reasonability and all that, but it upsets me when people go on about how the poor just need to suck it up. and that it’s their fault for being poor etc etc. most of those kinds of people, haven’t a fucking clue.
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11th December 2014, 15:31 | #2938 |
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There's a lot of arguments being rammed into other peoples mouths in that post.
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11th December 2014, 17:29 | #2940 |
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Inequality is complicated. Matters are not helped by proclaiming that a study says something it doesn't.
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11th December 2014, 18:18 | #2943 |
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Who's refusing to consider anything?
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11th December 2014, 22:22 | #2944 |
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after 10-20 years of trickle down economics in the US you just know its working grrreat for them right!
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12th December 2014, 08:25 | #2945 | |
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The same is true here. There are people whose natural station in life is to be a live in house helper who should be rewarded with food, accommodation, some pocket money and one day off a week. These people should not have too many children and in most cases none is the right number for them to choose. The downfall started with those who are not substantive land owners getting to vote; what a disaster that has been. The problem today is pretty easy to avoid. There is no reason to visit suburbs where the underclass live. There's not many of them so in an uprising they could be suppressed very easily. Voting for a sensible Government (so a blue logo here) will whittle away the damage down a little bit each term until we're back to where we should be. I say ignore the problem - it's very easy to do and it's the right thing to do. As soon as the minimum wage is gone I'll provide a warm bed and a sense of worth through hard work for a couple of them. |
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12th December 2014, 08:40 | #2946 |
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lol.
whos for xmas in GT's dickensian wonderland?
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12th December 2014, 09:09 | #2947 | |
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What GT doesn't know is that he's just a couple of rare, but completely possible events or circumstances that could drop him and his right into this station he describes. Another thing GT doesn't seem to be aware of is how different things are to how they were. The insight and education that only the elite were able to access is largely now free and abundant. Sure, many might not take that up, but there are plenty who will that previously would not have had the opportunity and this is only generating a continuing feedback loop. The uprising won't be what he expects.
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I'm guessing you're taking some issue with semantics, which isn't to say that you don't have a point, I just don't get where you're coming from given the answer to "where" is in this thread, on this page.
You'll note I used some weasel words "appears to/seems to". I did so to indicate I am talking from perception and am willing to consider other perceptions, were they presented. Edit: maybe those aren't strictly weasel words, I think my meaning is clear though.
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12th December 2014, 15:08 | #2952 |
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I just found this great quote on the internets:
"Politicians use research findings the way a drunk uses a lamppost: for support, not for illumination." - Jared Bernstein, Economist
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12th December 2014, 15:21 | #2953 | |
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or actually i should say i dont have a problem with that- i would only have a problem if they made a big fuss out of it. people who bellyache on campbell live about how they should be able to get by with their 6 kids on a shitty income are the ones who annoy me. and yes, its natural to want kids, blah blah blah. so? people quell urges to do shit all the time. just today i had to quell the urge to reverse into some stupid woman who stopped to chat on her phone -while- standing behind my parking spot. instead i yelled at her. |
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So if we're looking at how to avoid people with limited resources having 6+ kids for example; then we should really consider the biological and environmental factors that affect outcomes here and make decisions on how/if to intervene based on what research has shown to work.
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12th December 2014, 16:57 | #2956 |
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Sounds good.
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12th December 2014, 17:34 | #2957 |
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Lol but not the team you root for aye? They're all about evidence based policy!
Andrew Little seemed to take the latest OECD research quite seriously so I think they'll be right.
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15th December 2014, 16:40 | #2958 |
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I took some time to do something totally crazy - like, read the report - and while I ain't no international economist of mystery a few things stood out to me. According to the report:
Education does not improve economic growth. Throw heaps of money at education, whatever, doesn't make a difference. Investment does not improve economic growth. Whatever, doesn't make a difference. Inequality between the ninth and tenth deciles (high earners at the top of the scale) and the average income has no effect whatsoever on growth. Say it with me now, according to this report a huge inequality between the super-rich and the average earner has no impact on economic growth. Inequality between the fourth decile (slightly-below average) income and the average income has a huge impact on growth. So the biggest thing you can do to improve economic growth is to tax the average earner more and lift the slightly-below-average earners a little bit. And regarding the conclusion that everyone so excitedly jumped on after reading nothing but a badly-written headline in a news article: again, I ain't no economist, but it seems to me after reading the report that report's focus on New Zealand in the 80s and early 90s could lead to a completely reversed conclusion: that slow economic growth such as that experienced by NZ in that time negatively impacted equality. Not the other way around. |
15th December 2014, 16:45 | #2959 |
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Was there anything about improving inequality between say the 4th decile (below average) and the 9th/10th decile (above average)?
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15th December 2014, 19:54 | #2960 |
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Only if the 4th decile offered to be the 10th decile's live-in love slave.
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