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What ever happened with all the carbon credits being stolen by the government for zero compensation and the disincentive to build further forestry?
All I could find was this, which is basically Labour saying we're sitting on our thumbs til the election even though we promised it last year and hurting the nz economy even more? D:
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12th September 2008, 12:06 | #163 |
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/...ectid=10531801 Like most of the MP's, Ruth Dyson seems to be living on another planet. The current youth justice system, isn't working well and frankly the justice system in general is a joke. I like the idea of bootcamps. Multigeneration dole bludging chuckle heads can go get fucked too in my books. |
12th September 2008, 12:11 | #164 |
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What does a working youth justice system look like to you?
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12th September 2008, 12:18 | #165 |
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Naturally you have to tackle the problem before it becomes one. Installing responsibility and strong discipline vs rights on kids. Once a crime is done frankly depending on the crime there is multiple ways to handle it. Murder in my books shouldn't be see differently as an adult commiting it. Alot of the problem is the kids are never told no, disciplined and know their responsibilities in the community or even in their homes.
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12th September 2008, 12:25 | #166 |
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I think you'll find youth offenders predominantly, perhaps almost exclusively, come from traumatic childhoods, rather than homes where discipline wasn't a priority.
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That's true in a sense, although the difference is probably in the degree of trauma. And trauma doesn't just mean being beaten, left unfed, etc. Having clean clothes, sufficient food and a violence free household, but a cold and depressed mother can also be quite traumatic for a young child.
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I agree in your responsibilities in the home does vary, and because of the make up of our population, general concense on this would be hard. in the community I see as blindly easy (maybe I'm taking too much of a simplistic view of the problem, meh). responsibility in the community would be that you ensure that you and others uphold the law of the land and interests of the community. This does mean being nosiy but yeah. |
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12th September 2008, 13:21 | #171 |
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possible election date announcement: http://www.stuff.co.nz/4690355a6160.html
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12th September 2008, 13:44 | #172 |
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Nothing is going to really effectively reduce youth crime until the poverty/education issue is resolved. 'Boot camps' or whatever other nonsense idea people have come up maybe help a little (or not at all), but are far from an effective long term solution. However the people who most have a problem with 'out of control youth' or whatever, are likely to feel National will be more likely to resolve this. Even though they will increase poverty and decrease social spending, likely increasing the problem far beyond any gain that will be made by their 'bootcamps', and certainly the negligble gains you get from harsher penalties.
Poverty is overwhelmingly the reason I will probably never vote right wing no matter how 'nanny state' labour is. Smacking bill etc is so small an issue compared with poverty. Most of modern societies issues come down to lower income areas/people. The right only make that problem worse. I can totally understand someone feeling that people should look after themselves, get educated, get a job etc. For sure they should. But you have to look past that, because it's not happening. If people worked that way in the first place, we wouldn't even have those issues, nor the enviroment issues we face, or any of the other bullshit humans put each other through. The fact is, you take 100 people, put them in a situation. X amount are going to come out a certain way. Regardless of how they should act. That's the way you have to view the issue. Poverty is inherited. Intervention in the next generation is essential, and the only thing that will come close to resolving the issue. Someone much smarter (and better paid) than me can (and do) figure out how to intervene. It's a diffciult problem that every society in history has faced, it will take generations and a lot of effort to resolve. It will not be resolved through simple things such as harsher penalties and boot camps (boot camps is far more likely to help than harsher penalties though). Decreasing social spending is only going to make the problem worse. I'll live if the wealthy (including myself) feel they're being over taxed. There are more significant issues currently facing us. Last edited by JP : 12th September 2008 at 13:46. |
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As far as responsibility to the community, in regards to it interests, who decides whats in a communities best interests? And how do you define a community? And why should an individual even care about it so long as their actions are legal and allowed by society? The idea of responsibility to a community seems somewhat outdated in this day and age where physical association with a specific area no longer defines the totality of the communities which an individual may be involved in. Certainly people may decide that they wish to do whats best for their respective community but there isn't some implied moral code which compels people to do so - and neither should people who opt to not be part of a particular community be penalised for their decision not to be involved (so long as they are abiding by the laws of the land). The ideas you have brought forward seem to harken back to the 1950's and 60's and have almost no relevance (in context) with our society today. Of course this is all just my opinion. Pixie
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"It's an election about trust *wank* *wank* *wank*... November 8th..."
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12th September 2008, 13:48 | #175 |
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General Election date is the 8th November. A very orange looking Helen just delivered a long drawn out speech about it.
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12th September 2008, 13:49 | #176 |
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Marked it in my diary. Start cleaning your desk Helen.
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12th September 2008, 13:56 | #177 |
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Yes, start cleaning your desk Helen. You'll have a lot of work to do this coming term and you'll need the space.
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12th September 2008, 14:04 | #178 |
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This election is about trust.....fucking hilarious Helen.
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12th September 2008, 14:20 | #179 |
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If trust is an important election issue for you then you're pretty much screwed, as no matter who you vote for, a politician wins :P
I've said before that only the Greens and Act can really be trusted to stick to their core policies and beliefs, but neither of them has ever been tested with any real power either so you never know. |
12th September 2008, 14:22 | #180 |
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You know if the Greens did get real power, they'd legalise weed. We don't want that.
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12th September 2008, 14:25 | #181 |
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Voting for a principled third party is the only real option imo.
Labour are arrogant, out of touch and corrupt, but unfortunately National is comprised of MPs who were arrogant, out of touch and corrupt 9 nine years ago, led by an inexperienced Steve Carrell from 'The Office' who half-expects to get shafted by Bill English mid-term. Third parties that are based on principles i.e ACT or Green make far more honest and transparent coalition partners than scumbags like Winston and Peter Dunne. You may disagree with ACT/Green but you know where they stand on issues. With Nat/Lab it's a case of what the last focus group told them to say to get elected. e.g National now support interest-free Student Loans and Labour now support tax cuts and using private capital to build roads after they were against them. |
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Right... but that's how democracy works. The party that supports the will of the people gets voted in.
How it shouldn't work is the party that sways the will off the people getting voted in. I.e. the US election system.
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12th September 2008, 14:41 | #185 |
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I think he'd prefer legalised acid
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12th September 2008, 14:44 | #186 |
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Hey hey - Lightspeed doesn't need anymore acid, thank you very much!
Unless it works like in those movies, where you get hit on the head and lose your memory, get hit in the head again and regain your memory. Maybe if Lightspeed takes acid again...
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15th September 2008, 15:23 | #188 |
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15th September 2008, 16:34 | #190 |
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Can someone make a poll (doesnt seem to be an option for one otherwise I would have done it myself) about which party people will be voting for in the upcoming election, make it an anonymous one. Just want to get an idea of where the bulk of NZGamers are aligned.
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15th September 2008, 17:47 | #191 |
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I second that idea but with the removal the anonymity clause. Even the smallest balls should be able to stand by their political opinion.
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15th September 2008, 18:12 | #192 |
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Don't think we can make polls here.
But I'm quite happily admitting that I'm voting for John Key, not National, I believe there is a difference. |
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15th September 2008, 20:34 | #196 |
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if you fuck nuts believe that we need a change through national. then god help us.
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15th September 2008, 21:13 | #197 |
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Compelling argument! You have swayed my conscience and I give you my vote!
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Tbfh, I don't know yet. If Helen sacks and disowns Winston I may give my electorate vote to whatever Labour pleb is running against the National incumbent, purely because nobody else has a chance at winning locally anyway.
Party vote, errm, leaning Green atm.
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