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The corporations wanted to shift as many units as possible to make profit (because there wasn't a separation between the production of technical equipment and production of content), the Nazis wanted it to be a communal experience (like radio). This is why most Germans experienced television though television parlours (Fernsehstuben). My point is that saying "the Nazis didn't need social media" is wrong, they literally wouldn't have been able to spread their ideas without new media. The properties of a medium, who controls it and makes decisions about how it works, who has access to it and who profits from it all matter. Is it going to be a panacea to all our current ills? Of course not, but saying it's not a problem and it doesn't need fixing is literally a head in the sand type response.
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As opposed to the current design of social media naturally leading to the problems we're seeing in any kind of socio-economic conditions.
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This was the reason I mentioned how Germans experienced TV - because the communal experience of media was very different to an individual experience (because you're not only reacting to the media but also to the reactions of the other people consuming it). Strangely enough the Nazis themselves helped push forward the understanding of media effects in this are - The Spiral of Silence theory by Elisabeth Noelle-Neumann covers how some of this works (and it's still a model used in some fields of analysis these days). Quote:
Having said that economic structures which underlie social media, and never ending push to turn content into a commodity does lead to certain sorts of discourses being promoted because they are profitable. What I'd be really interested to see would be a publicly owned and funded social media platform that was ring-fenced from both political and economic influence.
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(Posted before seeing the post you just wrote.)
Another way to put it is if this thread was titled "fuck meth" with clear examples of problems where meth was a clear component, I would be pointing to the clear trend that the volume of people hooked on meth had lives destined to be shit before they were even born. That wouldn't make meth any less problematic, it wouldn't make people's anger at meth any less justified. But would the more effective response be to fight destructive drugs? Or improve people's lives? We can of course do both. But we don't and we aren't.
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2nd November 2018, 01:51 | #167 |
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They were also masters of "fake news".
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2nd November 2018, 01:58 | #168 | |
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However, convenience is king, and likes/views are more important than having a free platform, so we have forgone our freedom to be subjects to our content masters, hoping that we trend, and praying we don't get shadow banned. The technology and tools exist - the problem is people are lazy/scared of learning, so they act like there is no alternative to having your own piece of the internet that no one else can fuck with.
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But this is also why I've stopped talking about social media as a communications medium because (to me) communication has become secondary to the affect produced (and by affect I mean the emotional and pre-emotional response that content/communication can engender). Affect is also far easier to turn into a commodity than communication because the message becomes the saleable product instead of the medium - and messages are easy and cheap to produce.
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2nd November 2018, 14:22 | #171 |
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I believe so.
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2nd November 2018, 14:33 | #172 |
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Goes a loooooong way back, 19th century I think. It wasn't a new term when the German govt was using it to criticise "unpatriotic" media coverage during the First World War..
Anyway. IMHO the biggest difference between then and now is when the Nazis used media to whip up hatred and mainstreamify previously-extreme views it took a lot of work by a lot of very talented and hardworking Nazi propagandists. Goebbels wrote the book on community manipulation through media and he had a whole Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda working at it. Now? All automated. AI drives this shit now and it's far more efficient and effective than anything Goebbels and co did, because they were just meat. We've got algorithms now. Facebook will whip up hatred and hysteria and spread fictions that look like news and radicalise populations because the algorithm has proven that that's the best way to increase pageviews and thus maximise shareholder value. Everything that Goebbels and his entire Ministry worked at for for over a decade is now available instantly with the click of a mouse for a price so low it's essentially free. Hell, at least Goebbels and the Nazis had principles and were trying to achieve a sociopolitical goal. Facebook has perfected and automated world-wide hate-generation as nothing other than a revenue stream. |
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To all the other stuff you've stated I totally agree - my original point to LS wasn't that things are the same, but that media (whether were talking about news, entertainment or any other type) has always been absolutely critical in the mobilisation of populations and that often (not always). Social media is less than 20 years old which is really young in terms of a medium. It mutated fast and both the hard (system based) rules and the social rules have moved just as fast which makes it very hard for people to build literacy skills and critically assess the information they're getting. Quote:
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Remember when NZG had post ratings?
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11th November 2018, 20:40 | #178 |
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I was wondering about why so many of that generation seem so needlessly angry. I thought maybe being the kids of two generations of war. But I wonder if it's not just leaded fuel during crucial developmental years?
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12th November 2018, 13:31 | #179 | |
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14th November 2018, 00:02 | #180 |
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Zuckerburg says "yeah, nah" to appearing before international committee
You know, the real problem here has been around since long before social media. The real problem is marketing and advertising. Facebook wouldn't be able to monetise shit, if paid advertising wasn't a thing. Paid advertising is the real bane on our society.
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I was listening to an interesting episode of the History Hit podcast the other night, really interesting tidbit: the witchcraft mania of the late middle ages was possibly driven by the invention of the printing press. All of a sudden it was possible to disseminate inflammatory fake news about people you didn't like. Rumour here, denouncement there, next thing you know... burn the witch. Marketing and advertising have been around for tens of thousands of years, big deal. Machine-learning-driven attention-grabbing is the problem. We have given the keys to an addiction machine to an AI, and the AI has worked out that what people get most addicted to is outrage. So now the AI is working out what form of outrage is the most addictive for each individual person. |
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There's marketing then there's marketing. I think it started with the intentional, systematic use of psyche hacks, specifically with the work of Edward Bernays, to convince people to behave in certain ways en masse, for money. The money part is essential because only certain people have access to enough money for such marketing to be effective which in turn allows those people to gather more money. Generating a feedback loop. That was the steam engine that started the industrial age of marketing.
If there wasn't anyone paying for clicks, advertising or outrage, no one would be generating them. The political ideology angle has piggybacked off the get-people-to-buy-our-product angle. Gathering influence, which in turn leads to power, which in turn leads to BIG money. An even more vicious feedback loop. It seems insane to me that websites ask me to enable ads so they can generate revenue to run their service. I'm literally being asked to subject myself to propaganda as if that is sane. AI is coming into the fore because the low hanging fruit has been plucked, those who want to be on top need more effective tools. There are of course many co-dependant facets. But I put the psyche hack industry at the top.
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22nd November 2018, 18:59 | #183 |
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Facebook isn't all bad. It facilitates trade, marriage, even both at the same time!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-...sudan/10518232
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22nd November 2018, 20:22 | #185 |
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France is ditching Google because spying on people is not cool.
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25th November 2018, 05:43 | #187 | |
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That sounds like some Nixon-esque shit, keeping a shitlist of enemies with dirt on them.
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25th November 2018, 17:31 | #188 | |
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26th November 2018, 11:16 | #189 |
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This is turning into the Fuck Facebook thread. Some areas on Twitter are pretty much as bad a cesspool as anything on FB.
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26th November 2018, 16:08 | #190 |
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Yeah, that. But then you see a cute tweet Obama sent about Biden last year, and you think to yourself "how bad could it really be?"
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5th December 2018, 07:58 | #191 |
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I do kind of enjoy when FB does the "you posted this photo 9 years ago" thing.
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5th December 2018, 11:59 | #192 |
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Quick reminder that Facebook has entire data centers dedicated to the permanent and immutable preservation of every piece of data ever put onto FB, burnt onto optical media with a shelf life of 50-100 years.
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6th December 2018, 13:05 | #193 |
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Sam Vaknin: the TRUE toxicity of social media revealed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmXcjvL9VSc This is an excellent analysis of social media. |
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11th December 2018, 15:48 | #195 |
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The 2000s called and it wants its orthodox theories back.
Don't get me wrong, there's nothing particularly wrong in that "hot-take", but there's nothing that hasn't been said a thousand times already in the last two decades either.
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11th December 2018, 16:03 | #196 |
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Did Danyl ever review their own tv show? I'd love to read that.
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11th December 2018, 17:29 | #197 |
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Will my tweets get me fired?
https://willmytweetsgetmefired.com/ I've just got an idea for a website. I'll just reskin this website and call it "Help me find dirt on my employee so I can fire them" .. ok so the name needs to be a bit more snappy, but I think it'll be a hit! |
11th December 2018, 18:42 | #198 |
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...and they charge you $2.99 to vet your tweets. Pfft. You could do that for free by having some SJWs look at your tweet and see how enraged they get.
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been there, done that, gave up and quit twitter
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bahah i use the same avatar almost everywhere https://steamcommunity.com/id/madengineer/
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