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caffiend · 15th February 2008, 14:17

You would not believe how far from the mark you are...

Trigger · 15th February 2008, 14:20

oh really, so you're saying I'm wrong in thinking that if I get paid $20k more a year I get to save $20k more a year and instead I'm a victim of consumerism?
oooookay then

caffiend · 15th February 2008, 14:22

No I mean about your interpretation of my earning, spending habits and living circumstances.

I agree with your comment about earning more allowing you to save more. Which is fine... and more power to you and those like you. But I can't help feeling that many people just want bigger houses and a Porsche Cayenne instead of a Toyota Previa.

Trigger · 15th February 2008, 14:26

and what's wrong with that?

hay guyz let's all aim to be mediocre and just get by surviving!1!11

fixed_truth · 15th February 2008, 14:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ab

My genes like me having money because money equals a good house in a safe area, access to high-quality education and healthcare for my offspring, and the ability to devote time and attention to the growth and development of my offspring.

financial security is only hard to achieve when you are drawn into consumerism and end up living outside of your means.

companies invest billions on advertising because it works! - people are conditioned to believe that they'll be happy when they've got the latest falcon or commodore, or a bigger house - or $10 000 entertainment system or holiday to Hawaii or whatever - the shit doesn't end.

all im saying is that if peoples self-worth wasn't so tied up to what they own, then they could be a lot happier and financial security wouldn't seem so unobtainable

caffiend · 15th February 2008, 14:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trigger

and what's wrong with that?

hay guyz let's all aim to be mediocre and just get by surviving!1!11

If you think someone who owns a Cayenne is any more or less mediocre than someone who drives a Previa then you sir, are a cock.

Trigger · 15th February 2008, 14:33

maybe not the exact brand of cars, but I'd much rather drive a nice new safe car then a shitty 2nd hand piece of junk that will break down
and hey guess what, in order to buy a nice new car, you need money!
like wau!!!11

caffiend · 15th February 2008, 15:05

Alright - my bad - we're off on a tangent.

Of course you need money. And would I rather have more? Absolutely! I love stuff - I've bought loads of cool "things" lately that are in no way necessities. And I invest and save and all those things as well.

But I sure as shit won't make money the reason I choose to move to another country.

Trigger · 15th February 2008, 15:27

well that's cause you have other reasons to keep you here. understandable

some people have different circumstances, and priorities, and more money appeals to them... so therefore... hence thus...

my point is, just cause someone wants more monies, that doesn't make them a consumer whore, or a bad person or whatever. there are many many reasons why more money is better than less money.

Actually I'm not really sure how that can even be a point of discussion/argument/disagreement. I mean come on

caffiend · 15th February 2008, 15:32

It's not a point of discussion/argument/disagreement. More money is better than less money.

It's just a question of asking yourself whether more money is better than all the reasons someone might want to stay in NZ.

Look, if someone wants to move to Australia for the sun, the bigger cities with more things happening, the "hot chicks", or whatever, and they also get more money into the bargain... then win-win FTW.

My problem is just where people make the money part the main if not only reason they're going.

leadinjector · 15th February 2008, 16:00

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Originally Posted by fixed_truth

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companies invest billions on advertising because it works! - people are conditioned to believe that they'll be happy when they've got the latest falcon or commodore, or a bigger house - or $10 000 entertainment system or holiday to Hawaii or whatever - the shit doesn't end.

this is such a retardo thing to say. i enjoy my flash sound system cos... i like quality music. the fuck has that got to do with "conditioning"? im conditioned to enjoy music at a higher level of quality then a pair of tinny ass speakers? im conditioned to enjoy zooming around in a fast car? im conditioned to believe that relaxing in my new spa pool is... relaxing? be less of a tool thanks. companies latch ONTO shit that people already enjoy and sell it, not the other way round.

Odysseus · 15th February 2008, 16:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sp0nge

xcept many people have a mortgage instead of money,
and the majority of their time and attention is directed to their job instead of their family.

It means the same thing. If you have more money, then you can afford a better house. A mortgage is just a means to the same end.

Whether you spend more time working for the man instead of seeing your family, my perspective is that this could happen regardless of your income. If you have fuckall money and working two shifts to make ends meet for your family, you're just the same as if you spent 5 nights a week in your high rise office till 9pm.

a-tech · 15th February 2008, 16:19

Aussie aint all that...

Geckos keeping me up at night.
Baked Beans looking like watties, but are actually heinz, and tasting crapper.
4 minute showers.
Constant sweaty butt crack.
Australians.
Being 3 months ahead on home and away so I've basically missed 3 months storyline....(thats the biggie).

:P

Trigger · 15th February 2008, 16:46

and you got no tf2

DrTiTus · 15th February 2008, 16:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trigger

and what's wrong with that?

hay guyz let's all aim to be mediocre and just get by surviving!1!11

You're equating money and the possession of, with the ability to be content with life. If the only way you can feel content is to feed the ego's desire to possess more, then sure, you'll believe money is the answer.

I earn far less money now in a year than I used to, but I'm so much happier and have so much TIME to myself which I can use to enjoy myself however I want.

When I was younger, I wanted to "retire by 30"... once I got to about 23, the reality of that goal was obvious. With the TIME I had left, it was going to be very difficult. Then it hit me - my ultimate goal was to actually be FREE FROM WORK, rather than have the most money in my bank by working the hardest/longest.

Instead of aiming to get a bank high score, I decided to take control of what is more scarce than money - my time.

Money will always be relative, but everyone has the same amount of time. I have enough money to buy what I need, including a few things I don't, but the rest of my time can be spent actually USING my toys, ENJOYING what I already own, and making progress with activities, thoughts and hobbies which enrich me as a person, rather than bettering my position as a mindless consumer.

No matter how much money you have, you've still only got 24 hours in a day - spend them wisely, because unlike money you can never get them back.

Trigger · 15th February 2008, 17:08

yeah you have limited time... hence you want to earn the most money for least time possible, in order to have more time to do the things you enjoy

fucken duh

durka durka jihad mohammad!

if your ideal 'enjoyment' time is spent playing computer games, or building train sets, you'll be happy working for 17c an hour

my ideal enjoyment time activity is to have sex with 12 lesbians on Mars in my 180ft² diamond-plated pool made of moon-rocks while snorting 3kg of cocaine
and I need just a little bit more money to afford that

DrTiTus · 15th February 2008, 17:36

mmyeah, setting yourself up for huge disappointment...

The best things in life are free...

The rest is mainly bullshit consumerism.

leadinjector · 15th February 2008, 17:49

the best things in life might be free, but it costs to go and do those things on the beaches of hawaii. or mars.

Reformed_Quint · 15th February 2008, 18:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrTiTus

The best things in life are free...

Best thing in life is living.

Better than living is living well.

Living well isn't free.

caffiend · 15th February 2008, 18:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reformed_Quint

Living well isn't free.

That entirely depends on your "World View".

Ab · 15th February 2008, 18:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrTiTus

The best things in life are free...

Such as?

Gentl e · 15th February 2008, 18:51

Pooty tang?

Reformed_Quint · 15th February 2008, 18:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by caffiend

That entirely depends on your "World View".

What the fuck does that even mean?

Pooty tang costs time niggah,
time is money!!

leadinjector · 15th February 2008, 19:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrTiTus

mmyeah, setting yourself up for huge disappointment...

The best things in life are free...

The rest is mainly bullshit consumerism.

so what do you count as the best things?

eating is pretty good. so is sleeping somewhere that isnt a gutter. also, sex is fun and condoms aint free (or children if you dont wanna splurge for the sacks)

im running out of neat things that are free here

Sp0nge · 15th February 2008, 19:03

best thing in life is love

if people remembered that, instead of becoming all materialistic
we'd all be far better off.

family, friendship, learning, nature etc...
these are the best things in life

Sp0nge · 15th February 2008, 19:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reformed_Quint

time is money!!

time is not money
time is time
money is money

if you knew you only had x amount of time left on earth
would you try to spend it all just making money?

if you knew youre gonna die tomorrow would you still go to work?
how about in a week? a month? or a year?

now tell me what matters more: time or money?

Trigger · 15th February 2008, 20:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sp0nge

best thing in life is love

if people remembered that, instead of becoming all materialistic
we'd all be far better off.

family, friendship, learning, nature etc...
these are the best things in life

hahaha I actually laughed out loud

you're funny

Trigger · 15th February 2008, 20:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrTiTus

mmyeah, setting yourself up for huge disappointment...

The best things in life are free...

The rest is mainly bullshit consumerism.

fuck yeah man, just the other day I was thinking about how much I'd love to go help plant some trees. that's free!
then I was gonna go voluteer at the old folks home, you know, help with wiping up old man poo
then I was just gonna look at some stars and write poems...

nigger please, you're posting on an online forum. is your computer and your internet access free?
I DIDN'T THINK SO

Genesis · 15th February 2008, 23:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by caffiend

Aside from having more disposable income to buy more disposable plastic shit, can someone please tell me a genuine reason why "life is better" in Australia?

The list is too long and most of it has been covered in this thread. The big selling points for me are:

- Cheaper cost of living (my rent is cheaper and I live in a better place/area)
- Medicare rapes what-ever the fuck we have in NZ
- Super
- Government subsidies (i.e. rebates, incentives to do good things) are huge here
- Tax rebates
- Jobs pay better
- The sun

Draco T Bastard · 16th February 2008, 03:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Genesis

- Government subsidies (i.e. rebates, incentives to do good things) are huge here

Why should the government be subsidising business? They should stop all subsidies, become a small, cost effective government with little or no tax so that business operating in a free market can do everything.

/rightwing hat off.

caffiend · 16th February 2008, 03:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Genesis

The list is too long and most of it has been covered in this thread. The big selling points for me are:

- Cheaper cost of living (my rent is cheaper and I live in a better place/area)
- Medicare rapes what-ever the fuck we have in NZ
- Super
- Government subsidies (i.e. rebates, incentives to do good things) are huge here
- Tax rebates
- Jobs pay better

Money money money money money money money...

Quote:

- The sun

Yeah I already said that...

Wow... awesome list not involving money there Genesis :/

leadinjector · 16th February 2008, 04:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sp0nge

best thing in life is love

if people remembered that, instead of becoming all materialistic
we'd all be far better off.

family, friendship, learning, nature etc...
these are the best things in life

yeah fuck ever doing anything eh, can live on beans but so long as you get to share your ragged cardboard hut with someone its all sweet eh? your missus must love you man

dead goon · 16th February 2008, 05:08

he didn't say its bad to "do anything" he just stated what is more important in life.

his "missus" must love him, because she is probably more important to him than a new car or the latest iPhone.

Trigger · 16th February 2008, 09:32

"hey sp0nge hunny, let's go out for a romantic dinner"
"but you have to pay for that, and that's materialism and consumerism"

"ok let's go for a holiday somewhere other than our back yard"
"transport is for materialists, let's just walk to the park"

"why have we eaten grass for the last week"
"paying for food is consumerism, let's eat for free"

"it's getting dark and we no electricty or a house, better retreat to our secret shelter under the abandoned bridge"
"I hope we don't get raped again tonight"
"at least AIDS is free"
"I love you very very much hunny"

Reformed_Quint · 16th February 2008, 11:41

Thank you, trigger

You've said all that i want to say.

Fx. · 16th February 2008, 12:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by caffiend

Money money money money money money money...Yeah I already said that...

Wow... awesome list not involving money there Genesis :/

dont think he ever said the reason he went wasn't money?

DrTiTus · 16th February 2008, 12:14

Ab, such as friendship, love, nature/the sun/ocean/plants/vegetables/fruit, health/fitness/exercise, the pursuit of knowledge (mathematics!

), meditation, enlightenment, HARI KRISHNA FOOD ON SUNDAYS, fish/seafood, music, dancing, sports, art, SHOWING love, BEING a friend, helping others to stop and see what they're missing...

Interestingly enough Trigger, I /have/ done work in a old folks home, I've planted trees (I love plants, I got two more aloe plants yesterday), I've worked at the homeless shelter, I have written poetry, and I do enjoy looking at the stars and thinking about life on this little spinning ball which provides nourishment for us all.

If you think my computer and internet are the best things in my life, you're confusing me with somebody else.

DrTiTus · 16th February 2008, 12:24

I forgot laughter!

crocos · 16th February 2008, 12:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sp0nge

best thing in life is love

if people remembered that, instead of becoming all materialistic
we'd all be far better off.

family, friendship, learning, nature etc...
these are the best things in life

o/~
They say the best things in life are free
But you can give them to the birds and bees
o/~

But to my mind it's all about finding balance: You HAVE to be materialistic to a degree to do more then barely survive in this society, but it gets all rather bland if you don't do something other than exploit your fellow people - even if it's "just" friendship.

leadinjector · 16th February 2008, 13:57

pffft krishna food is fucking shit

15th February 2008, 14:20	#162
Trigger Laserman	oh really, so you're saying I'm wrong in thinking that if I get paid $20k more a year I get to save $20k more a year and instead I'm a victim of consumerism? oooookay then __________________ Are you slow? The alleged lie that you might have heard, me saying, allagedly moments ago... That's a parasite that lives in my neck.

15th February 2008, 14:26	#164
Trigger Laserman	and what's wrong with that? hay guyz let's all aim to be mediocre and just get by surviving!1!11 __________________ Are you slow? The alleged lie that you might have heard, me saying, allagedly moments ago... That's a parasite that lives in my neck.

15th February 2008, 14:33	#167
Trigger Laserman	maybe not the exact brand of cars, but I'd much rather drive a nice new safe car then a shitty 2nd hand piece of junk that will break down and hey guess what, in order to buy a nice new car, you need money! like wau!!!11 __________________ Are you slow? The alleged lie that you might have heard, me saying, allagedly moments ago... That's a parasite that lives in my neck.

15th February 2008, 15:27	#169
Trigger Laserman	well that's cause you have other reasons to keep you here. understandable some people have different circumstances, and priorities, and more money appeals to them... so therefore... hence thus... my point is, just cause someone wants more monies, that doesn't make them a consumer whore, or a bad person or whatever. there are many many reasons why more money is better than less money. Actually I'm not really sure how that can even be a point of discussion/argument/disagreement. I mean come on __________________ Are you slow? The alleged lie that you might have heard, me saying, allagedly moments ago... That's a parasite that lives in my neck.

15th February 2008, 16:46	#174
Trigger Laserman	and you got no tf2 __________________ Are you slow? The alleged lie that you might have heard, me saying, allagedly moments ago... That's a parasite that lives in my neck.

15th February 2008, 14:17	#161
caffiend	You would not believe how far from the mark you are... __________________ If ignorance is bliss, why is everyone so unhappy these days?

15th February 2008, 14:22	#163
caffiend	No I mean about your interpretation of my earning, spending habits and living circumstances. I agree with your comment about earning more allowing you to save more. Which is fine... and more power to you and those like you. But I can't help feeling that many people just want bigger houses and a Porsche Cayenne instead of a Toyota Previa. __________________ If ignorance is bliss, why is everyone so unhappy these days? Last edited by caffiend : 15th February 2008 at 14:24.

15th February 2008, 15:05	#168
caffiend	Alright - my bad - we're off on a tangent. Of course you need money. And would I rather have more? Absolutely! I love stuff - I've bought loads of cool "things" lately that are in no way necessities. And I invest and save and all those things as well. But I sure as shit won't make money the reason I choose to move to another country. __________________ If ignorance is bliss, why is everyone so unhappy these days?

15th February 2008, 15:32	#170
caffiend	It's not a point of discussion/argument/disagreement. More money is better than less money. It's just a question of asking yourself whether more money is better than all the reasons someone might want to stay in NZ. Look, if someone wants to move to Australia for the sun, the bigger cities with more things happening, the "hot chicks", or whatever, and they also get more money into the bargain... then win-win FTW. My problem is just where people make the money part the main if not only reason they're going. __________________ If ignorance is bliss, why is everyone so unhappy these days? Last edited by caffiend : 15th February 2008 at 15:34.

15th February 2008, 16:19	#173
a-tech	Aussie aint all that... Geckos keeping me up at night. Baked Beans looking like watties, but are actually heinz, and tasting crapper. 4 minute showers. Constant sweaty butt crack. Australians. Being 3 months ahead on home and away so I've basically missed 3 months storyline....(thats the biggie). :P __________________ NZ Breakbeat Culture - Bassdrop.co.nz

15th February 2008, 17:08	#176
Trigger Laserman	yeah you have limited time... hence you want to earn the most money for least time possible, in order to have more time to do the things you enjoy fucken duh durka durka jihad mohammad! if your ideal 'enjoyment' time is spent playing computer games, or building train sets, you'll be happy working for 17c an hour my ideal enjoyment time activity is to have sex with 12 lesbians on Mars in my 180ft² diamond-plated pool made of moon-rocks while snorting 3kg of cocaine and I need just a little bit more money to afford that __________________ Are you slow? The alleged lie that you might have heard, me saying, allagedly moments ago... That's a parasite that lives in my neck. Last edited by Trigger : 15th February 2008 at 17:12.

15th February 2008, 17:36	#177
DrTiTus HENCE WHY FOREVER ALONE	mmyeah, setting yourself up for huge disappointment... The best things in life are free... The rest is mainly bullshit consumerism. __________________ Finger rolling rhythm, ride the horse one hand... Last edited by DrTiTus : 15th February 2008 at 17:38.

15th February 2008, 17:49	#178
leadinjector	the best things in life might be free, but it costs to go and do those things on the beaches of hawaii. or mars.

15th February 2008, 19:03	#185
Sp0nge	best thing in life is love if people remembered that, instead of becoming all materialistic we'd all be far better off. family, friendship, learning, nature etc... these are the best things in life __________________ '[]' []-[] [] []\[] []<

16th February 2008, 05:08	#193
dead goon	he didn't say its bad to "do anything" he just stated what is more important in life. his "missus" must love him, because she is probably more important to him than a new car or the latest iPhone.

16th February 2008, 09:32	#194
Trigger Laserman	"hey sp0nge hunny, let's go out for a romantic dinner" "but you have to pay for that, and that's materialism and consumerism" "ok let's go for a holiday somewhere other than our back yard" "transport is for materialists, let's just walk to the park" "why have we eaten grass for the last week" "paying for food is consumerism, let's eat for free" "it's getting dark and we no electricty or a house, better retreat to our secret shelter under the abandoned bridge" "I hope we don't get raped again tonight" "at least AIDS is free" "I love you very very much hunny" __________________ Are you slow? The alleged lie that you might have heard, me saying, allagedly moments ago... That's a parasite that lives in my neck.

16th February 2008, 11:41	#195
Reformed_Quint	Thank you, trigger You've said all that i want to say.

16th February 2008, 12:14	#197
DrTiTus HENCE WHY FOREVER ALONE	Ab, such as friendship, love, nature/the sun/ocean/plants/vegetables/fruit, health/fitness/exercise, the pursuit of knowledge (mathematics! ), meditation, enlightenment, HARI KRISHNA FOOD ON SUNDAYS, fish/seafood, music, dancing, sports, art, SHOWING love, BEING a friend, helping others to stop and see what they're missing... Interestingly enough Trigger, I /have/ done work in a old folks home, I've planted trees (I love plants, I got two more aloe plants yesterday), I've worked at the homeless shelter, I have written poetry, and I do enjoy looking at the stars and thinking about life on this little spinning ball which provides nourishment for us all. If you think my computer and internet are the best things in my life, you're confusing me with somebody else. __________________ Finger rolling rhythm, ride the horse one hand...

16th February 2008, 12:24	#198
DrTiTus HENCE WHY FOREVER ALONE	I forgot laughter! __________________ Finger rolling rhythm, ride the horse one hand...

16th February 2008, 13:57	#200
leadinjector	pffft krishna food is fucking shit