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28th November 2017, 20:49 | #121 |
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Yeah in Geddis's lastest column he acknowledges Quin's knowledge and experience in Rwanda. Though he (Geddis) does have some good information about the process of Ghahraman becoming an intern and later becoming 'a paid member of a legal team' etc.
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28th November 2017, 20:55 | #122 |
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Who cares how the photo was described? The problem is that the guy she's hamming it up with in the photo was part of a genocide that killed millions of people, and she's been getting political mileage out of claiming that she was on the PROSECUTION team. Fuck, I understand the importance of a fair trial but if I were at Nuremberg I wouldn't be getting snaps of me yukking it up with Hermann Goering, and I sure wouldn't volunteer to try to get him acquitted and then take credit for sending him to the gallows.
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28th November 2017, 21:01 | #123 |
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Her LinkedIn profile, which I assume was written by her, accurately details her work in Rwanda. So, given the clear spin factor your friend seems unable to refrain from, I'm thinking there's less to the inaccurate statements than is being made out.
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28th November 2017, 21:43 | #125 |
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Yeah she's also openly discussed her role in other interviews so this goes against claims of actively engaging in deception.
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28th November 2017, 22:01 | #126 |
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“Oh is that what my interviewer/my bio on the Greens website/my Wikipedia entry says? I wouldn’t know, I’ve never read them.”
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28th November 2017, 22:10 | #127 |
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That may well be the case. But what we're hearing about is selfies and how terrible defence lawyers are.
You can't use spin to call out spin.
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28th November 2017, 22:58 | #128 |
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What’s wrong with defense lawyers?
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29th November 2017, 09:02 | #129 |
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Nothing. Hence why criticisms about her becoming a defense lawyer are a beat up.
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Admittedly there was other spin in the article around her throwing equivalence-shade by presenting falsehoods as fact and a lot of questioning of her ethics, but to me that part of it is doing her job as a defense lawyer. Frankly from reading that article, I don't actually have any issues with her acting as defense. The photo was a dumb idea by a young, inexperienced lawyer.
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29th November 2017, 15:39 | #131 |
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I was under the impression that the person she was defending was acquitted on all counts, cos, you know, innocent and all.
But lets not let that get in the way of a good dirt slinging. |
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I'm agree with a couple of the comments above.
If she tried to work for the prosecution (hell she may have tried) she wouldn't have stood a chance. They probably had lines of people willing to help out. So do some work for the defence team - which in a way is still Human Rights - get the experience and move on. The deception? I don't know. I'm sure if anyone wanted to actually find out about her past they could have. The wiki post - it's wiki. Who wrote that? Her, the greens, someone other random editor? |
30th November 2017, 01:58 | #134 |
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Looks like Quin is prone to a bit of overexcitement:
I get it. You see enough horrible shit, you jump at any opportunity to stand up to that shit.
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30th November 2017, 08:47 | #135 |
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30th November 2017, 12:53 | #137 |
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The lie that she prosecuted criminals in Rwanda was repeated on the Greens website, and by leader James Shaw.
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30th November 2017, 15:35 | #138 |
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The text I saw from the Green website talked broadly about being part of the judicial process & didn't even mention defense or prosecution.
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30th November 2017, 15:47 | #139 |
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That doesn't mention prosecuting perpetrators of the Rwanda genocide.
If you want to put people through a legitimate trial, you need defence lawyers.
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30th November 2017, 16:10 | #141 |
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Frankly despite whatever the thing is, it's a storm in a teacup. Bloody irrelevant in any real sense - those fussing over the wording must have too much time on their hands
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I don't believe that she has gone around telling blatant lies. Sounds more like her past has been misrepresented by others, and we can't assume it was intentional - because innocent until proven guilty, right?
I very much doubt she became part of the Greens based solely on a claim to have been a prosecutor in that particular case. One would expect she has other experience, attributes and qualities that justify her existence in that role. To say she "advanced her career" based on telling a lie is a bit of a stretch. Perhaps in this case your judgment is clouded by your personal relationship with the original claimant.
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1st December 2017, 15:35 | #144 |
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I believe it was intentional. It's the party responsibility to vet their candidates.
Surely fellow party members would find it an interesting conversation to have with Golriz Ghahraman about her time during those trials? Those are pretty monumental in terms of events happening in someone's life. It shows how little research journo's do these days. |
1st December 2017, 15:49 | #145 |
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Ask a good friend to describe what you do in your job, and see if they make any obvious errors.
I'd hold off burning her as a witch until we know if she floats.
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1st December 2017, 16:02 | #146 |
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These would be more than just interviews though. These are party members that you'd build relationships with, build upon ideologies, discuss ideas etc. They would spend a lot of time together, especially on the lead up to an election. It doesn't add up that you just wouldn't bring up in a conversation that you've defended genocidal dictators.
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1st December 2017, 16:58 | #147 |
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Oh wow, my source on twitter was wrong. What a shock. :-)
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1st December 2017, 16:58 | #148 |
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Whats the difference between the Green Party and Communists?
Nothing. They are both green on the outside and red underneath. |
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Once is an oversight, twice is carelessness, fifteen times is deliberate.
Farrar points out the obvious: Quote:
Just take her maiden speech to Parliament: Quote:
So you might say "well she's a politician, they're all pricks, she's just being dodgy like they all do", but fuck me I kinda hold the Greens to a slightly higher standard. I fucking voted for them this time. |
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1st December 2017, 18:25 | #150 |
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Being a WAR CRIMES PROSECUTOR is such an integral part of her brand now, perhaps she believes it? Perhaps, unless it's pointed out to her, she just doesn't know she wasn't a prosecutor in Rwanda and the Hague? Brains are funny things.
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^ In agreement with Ab on all counts. Carefully crafted weasel words in that speech to Parliament.
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1st December 2017, 18:38 | #152 |
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So the specific accusations can't be demonstrated, but we'd be demented or have half a brain if we didn't accept this selfie taking, victim hating, genocide denying, doesn't stand for human rights perspective.
Yeah, real compelling. What I see is a politician pointing out they've been in the thick of it, more so than our PM I reckon. In the spirit of that article though, what's Judith Collins brand? lol
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1st December 2017, 19:21 | #153 |
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I find it hard to believe that the Green party administrators wouldn't have sent Ghahraman an email saying "This is your bio we're going to put on the website, have a read and let us know what you think". That seems like it would be standard practice.
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The stupid thing is that "I'm a refugee from war and I got a law degree and defended war criminals" is a fucking powerful story. She should've used it.
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Also from that article Farrar continued his attacks on her through questioning the truthfulness of her claiming she had experienced air raids and bombing. Which was easily cleared up by Ghahraman (surprise surprise). So the reality is it's actually Farrar (& Quin with his genocide denier abuse) that are the dishonest ones.
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2nd December 2017, 02:02 | #157 |
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Yeah, it's like the Hilary "under fire in Bosnia" thing. Even adult memories are bullshit, let alone those of children. Brains are funny things.
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2nd December 2017, 12:43 | #158 |
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... therefore every memory is false, and all claims are lies.
Are you sure you're not just a cynical old man?
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Memories are nice for friends and family, but more robust evidence is needed in many cases.
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4th December 2017, 12:38 | #160 |
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Really not following this story much, but has it been determined that she hasn't help the prosecution team on other cases?
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